When he doesn't know a camera's rolling, Mitt Romney shows his disdain for half of America.

meh, like half my teachers i would consider a burden on society, college professors even more so. but really, yeah we need teachers, builders, plumbers etc.. we need people to take those jobs, doesnt make them less contributing necessarily, some people are fine getting by with less, nothing wrong with that. not everyone wants to make billions, and thats great, because we need people who are satisfied with jobs like this. Id still argue though that the big business owners and people like Mitt do contribute more than one single teacher or plumber. when you create hundreds of jobs and supply an entire country with a product or whatever that people need, you are doing more than the guy fixing a couple leaky pipes a day. not every person and every job is equal.
 
but he wasnt running the country then, and if you were running a business, lets be honest you would do the same thing to make more money...
 
People were saying that he knows how to run a business. Ill give that to him, man knows how to make the moolah, but that does not equate to knowing how to run a country. He can't offshore jobs to pull up the economy in america, we have no proof that he knows how to run a country, just that he can make privatized money.

Also, to all of you people talking about lowering taxes, you are selfish. I wouldn't mind paying taxes at all if it didn't all go towards the drug war and the military. Mitt romney will throw even more money at both of those.
 
In my mind, I cannot even fathom making the rich pay a higher percent in taxes. To me, that is like punishing someone for being successful. This thread is a shit storm. The majority of people in this thread are in highschool/college and believe that doing good in college and earning a 3.9GPA will entitle them to a good job. And that video on the 2nd page outside the welfare building made me embarrassed to share a country with those freeloading scum. They didn't even have any intentions of looking for work, they wanted their "Obama" money.
 
A: if they were hurt on the job due to poor working conditions they Probaby would have won in court. B: there aren't 9 million veterans with injuries sever enough to claim disabilities
 
yeah but its dumb you can't be fiscally conservative and socially liberal (not that i'm fiscally conservitive, i'm not.) If you vote for a republican your also voting for people who are anti-gay anti-women and all that if i belived in trickled down (i don't) i would be pissed at this.
 
At least you state what you belive whithout being a dick and giving the other side some creditabilty unlike this jumaster guy who everything is black and white he literly said that people like teachers and firemen are lazy cause there not rich. Maybe you are right about the guy who creats a hundred jobs but i was just saying jumister was wrong.
 
btw, im jumister i changed my name.

im a dick because you cant come up with good answers to my more prodding questions about your own choices you lathargic leech. Sorry I don't like you because you can't spell some and you dont want a job.

I NEVER said teachers are lazy. TEACHERS ARE NOT LAZY. Teachers are the most important job we have in this country and I would multiply our federal spending on education by a factor of 7 or 8.

That said, I would say 99% of teachers in this country suck dick. They are poor examples for our kids and are dumb as shit themselves. Such is the case because the salaries for teachers is alarmingly low. Why would one of the most important jobs in this country pay less than 100k? Less than 200k? We need highly motivated highly intelligent highly aware teachers. We need teachers who are not only knowledgeable on subject matter but also knowledgeable on real, tangible success.

Unfortunately, we would never be able to fire our shitty teachers and get this reform going because teachers unions would obliterate those plans with no future candidates readily available.

Now that we've acknowledged the unfeasibility of my plan I'd delineate it anyway:

Step 1 fire every dipshit teacher NOW. Divert a significant portion of infantry R&D to education, as well as Nasa, NSF, etc. Make the teacher a 200k a year job. Make it as competitive as investment banking. Fire teachers all the time if they suck, but have enough incentives where junior teachers start teaching 1st grade etc and compete for higher paying positions teaching high school.

I would also completely revamp the coddling pussy way American's teach highschool students. If you don't know it, you don't fucking know it. If you answered it wrong on the test, you deserve that proprotion deducted from your grades. You should not get points for showing up to class. Skipping school has other punishments, it should not be rewarded. Testing should be rewarded.

I would fire anyone who believes standardized testing does not show anything. How the fuck does it not show something? You were unable to complete the problem during the time with the pressure. Thats what it shows...

I would learn a lot from Chinese Americans. Why are they the highest educated and highest per capita income earners? The previous generation was POOR AS FUCK, not rich and yet these kids beat every single one of the "priveleged" kids you dumbasses think went to private school etc.

If that plan was followed, you wouldnt exist as your current self. You would be a capable, highly intelligent, highly motivated, highly aware human being.
 
Ok so i have a job for one. Another thing maybe your teachers were dumb as fuck, hey i've had some pretty dumb teachers but i also have had teachers that have changed my life teachers who know their job dosn't pay and who don't care who's purpose is to educate and serve our youth and to say that everyone who dosn't make alot of money is alot more stupid then some one who does is completly offensive and morally wrong. Gandhi wasn't reach but apearently acording to you he dosen't have real success. I belive success is at the end of your life saying that you are happy whith your life. But according to you people who scame others out of money are better people then those who help others are more "succesfull." I do agree with the fact that we should pay teachers more but according to you, you shouldn't have to pay for that the starving should. Thats why your a dick, not cause of your polliticle philosophy but cause of your morals or lack there off.
 
At least Romney has come out after being "caught" on tape saying something and standing behind it, not being a complete pussy and making some statement about how what he says was taken out of context or any of the other excuses when politicians say things they think might hurt the publicly. The problem with what he said is that it is true and that is just wrong for a politician to do that. The best form of welfare is a job, with the unemployment rate high, the amount of people who have given up on work high and rising, and the number of people living off the government high and still going up... it's not sustainable, but why would the people who are dependent on the government bite the hand that feeds them.

Frankly I don't understand where the notion that people who are successful should support the people who aren't. I have been out of college for a year and I work as an engineer making very good money. I worked my ass of in school to get good grades and I work my ass at my job, I do not want to support people who have given up on work and think that unemployment is the better option ( and don't think that doesn't happen b/c I know people that have done that). In my opinion there is always going to be a percent of the population that need the governments help, but that percentage is not the mass amount of people dependent on the government today. I give to charities and volunteer with organizations I feel helps those people. I want to help those people, not people who have given up on work, especially with Obama dropping the work requirement for welfare.

Also with what Romney said about Palestine never going to cooperate with Israel, he is spot on. I know that not even the majority of Palestinians want Israel wiped off the map but a faction of them do and that is all it takes. Look back at Nazi Germany not all Germans wanted the Jews eradicated, but a faction of them did and they were the ones that rose to power. You can't negotiate with people that think this way. Nevile Chamberlain came back to England in after signing the Munich Agreement and see how that worked out. Negotiating peace with people who have a faction that are backed by the holocaust denying Iranian gov. has been proven many times in history to not work. Living in a world of slip and slides and snowcones and taking an appeasement stand will get you know where but in deep shit
 


mitt romney didnt mean he didnt care about 47% of americans what he means is that he cant care about their votes right now... he doesnt think that he can sway most of their votes with his ideas of lower taxes when they are paying none anyways. so instead he will concern himself with the other 53% and getting their vote. its not that hard to understand.

 
The argument was that that was a scewed version of the facts. half of that 47% are reteirys who therefor don't have an income to pay taxes on. Many of those people will vote for romney. Also as somenoe proved with a graph earlier most people who recive welfare and arn't paying income taxes are from red states like texas alabama and Georgia.
 
What I have gathered from this thread so far:

Romney is just saying it how it is to an extent

people who are on welfare and could find a job should

more people need to be paying income taxes (refer to previous comment)

his economic ideas should immediately help the economy because he is a businessman- hopefully a fact

O and then some Asian was talking about Greek life saying alphas are better than betas and shit....

Personally I was in a frat that was Beta and we got kicked off campus because we were too sweet

Alpha Phi sorority was kinda hot but they were stuck up, I prefer Kappa Delta and Pi Phi

 
I don't understand how you can vote for a guy who refuses to compromise. Like this is my problem I have in general with Republicans, that they are unwilling to go to the table and make compromises, and when they do (god forbid) they are seen as traitors to their party. Like in a world where there is always conflicting ideologies, imo the most important trait anyone in politics can have is the ability to be willing to compromise. Like Clinton's speech at democratic convention really highlighted this idea.

How can you guys vote for someone who says "And so my job is not to worry about those people (47% of Americans who didn't vote for Obama). I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives". So guys looks like Romney doesn't care about half the country, it's not his problem. Instead of saying I will do whatever I can to help these people, he is instead saying I am going to throw them under the bus and its either my way or the highway. Fuck that shit. I don't even like Obama's polices, but at least he has the right attitude to run a country where people will always have differences of opinion.
 
That's the dumbest graphic i've ever seen. Anarchism and socialism are polar opposites, yet somehow they're right next to each other. What?
 
The problem is not what he thinks of the Obama voters.It is the fact that he won't even attempt to negotiate with them. Even if Romney wins, those Obama voters will still be Americans. He can't just ignore half of the country because you don't agree with them.
 
Though i am a strong supporter of obama, i believe that he does has a good point when it comes to the issue of taxes. This video will not do him any favors towards the "47 percent" though. People do not like to be told that they are stupid, no matter if they are or arent. If his theory is correct, though, this video should not have an effect because the only people offended would be voting for obama anyway.

Have a look at his rebuttal

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yeah but when he said the 47% of people don't pay income taxes will automaticly vote for obama and are "freeloaders" the fact is that is the way the tax code is written it also alows for huge deductions to the rich also but romney dosen't calll them "freeloaders." Many poeple who don't pay income taxes because they can deduct enough not to actually suport romney mabye more support Obama but it is rather close. And these people who don't pay income taxes still pay payroll and state income taxes and arn't scaming the system the system is just wriiten in a way that they can not pay income taxes. The issue isn't 47% of americans are freeloaders its that we need to have tax reform so that 1.3 triillion dollars anually arn't being deducted away (if you look at revenue that is lost from deductions the rich deduct alot more then the poor)
 
We have free public education called high school, and many people don't finish it. People who can benefit from higher education get there through student loans or scholarships. It's certainly a difficult choice, but a choice anyone can make.

Creating better educators would be a good thing... as it turns out though, America has transplant educators from across the globe, because there is demand.

Eliminating debt would be a great thing. I am all in favor of this. The only issue I see with this problem is that it is too easy to keep racking up debt as no debt-holder can do anything about it (this is a big issue).

Putting money into advanced research would be a great thing, putting money into free public health care... not the same. You need to give people drive in society; too many individuals are pampered these days. Believing that you deserve something rather than need something lends you to defeat.

I'm not going into insurance sales people as I'm fairly positive they're rarely subsidized and beyond that I have no clue what you're trying to get at.

Purchasing a health care system for the country would be much more expensive than allowing individuals to spend their own money purchasing health insurance. Health insurance is fairly cheap... health care is not. I completely agree with the fact that health care is much more valuable than health insurance, but the weight on society outweighs the benefits. If you're looking for a policy that benefits all of society fairly, as most pro health care countries do, health care for all is far from it.
 
By offense i wasnt talking about them being insulted purely in that fact that they are in the lower half income wise. I meant that they would take offense to the way he said that they could care less about policy income wise because they dont pay the income taxes anyway. Bottom line he was speaking very condescendingly towards those on welfare. I dont mean to say that those on welfare are uneducated or stupid, but a video like that would tend to have a greater effect on someone who does not really follow politics and is watching it without understanding the backround.
 
Ac31stuff, honestly man I think everyone laughs at what you say. It's clear you have no idea what you are talking about and that you have no real grasp on the issues in this country.
 
you sound like you didn't get a lollipop and everyone else did.

say i'm making a million dollars a year, and you make ten. if we both got a 1% reduction, who do you think will get a larger deduction? is 1,000 > / < / = 0.1? (circle the correct answer)

the issue is that some percentage of america feels entitled to what everyone else has and has worked hard to get.

the issue is that some people are lazy fatasses who want everything for free so they can sit at home and play COD all day.

(this isn't part of the quiz)
 
They still pay taxes. Everyone pays payroll taxes, plus most states have sales tax, property taxes, and excise taxes on booze, cigarettes, gasoline, etc. And freehealth care benefits society as a whole, but i won't even bring that up
 
Payroll taxes include social security, state work taxes, and medicare taxes i believe. Then there's the federal income tax on each paycheck, but you can get most of that back if you make less than $10,000ish per year
 
I think you need to educate yourself a little more before you try and become part of a discussion like this. What you just said is absolutely retarded. Free healthcare fucks us as whole. Everyone should be able to get a form of healthcare but it shouldnt be free. Do you have any idea of all the tax increases because of this ObamaCare shit?? No, you have no fucking clue. Just simply google, "Obama care taxes" and educate yourself.
 
I don't think you made your point clear, the majority of people with 1 million in assets, let alone actually in the bank, will not have gained it through a one off payment. And yes a lot of lottery winners/sports stars go bankrupt very quickly, but you didn't specify a one off payment, you just said 1 million in the bank.

Of course a lot of people make their own money as well, but my point wasn't solely about inheritance, more about privilege. I assume you've been to uni (you're british too, right?), how many of the people at elite universities work to pay for themselves? Really not many, yeah some have scholarships, some work, but the majority are already wealthy ex private school kids. And to be honest, I speak for myself here, as my folks helped me a lot through uni (didn't go to private school though).

Not sure how much my mindset will change in 4 years, I'm sure it will, but I doubt it will change too drastically, I already want to run my own business at some point, I just don't want to do it right now.

I don't think that being rich is morally wrong, if you want to do that, that's great, but my problem was the attitude that everyone should want to be rich, and that if you don't, you are some sort of lesser being. Tied into that is Romney's attitude about people that need support from the state, it's pretty despicable that someone who is running for president should say 'it's not my job to care about those people', that's what's morally wrong, not being rich.

 
lol.

after these videos,

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Just for Clarity - in terms of dollar amounts from pay checks, payroll "taxes" are Fed income tax, State income Tax (if applicable), medicare and Social Security.

Medicare and Social Security are hee haw. You only pay social security on earnings up to 106k for the year. The maximum you will pay for the whole year is ~$4600.

Medicare is less than half that - i currently pay around 2 grand a year. but either way it's fuck all compared to income tax - which is more than 10 times what i pay in these combined so called "pay roll taxes".

So to me - that argument is invalid. The more people you can get paying income tax the better - it means more people are earning, stimulating the economy from the bottom up and your overall income tax revenue goes up - and preferably generates more income than you pay out.

 
What the fuck? Anybody who thinks the rich only become rich because they worked hard and were determined or "alpha" (jeeeesuss that is scary social darwinism shit) is totally delusional.... c' mon if it was only effort that separated the rich and poor then we would have alot more rich people....I my job I am surrounded by hard working people who grind 70 hours a week and don't bring home a fraction of what Mitt has. To blame the poor for being poor is incredibly judgmental and misleading. Mitt sounds more like a corperate lobbiest than the President.
Moreover if you think going to an Ivy league Business school makes you smart or gives you better cognitive skills think again......it is a course designed for the rich, by the rich on how to manipulate the economy to stay rich (check out the film "inside job"), those prominent economic professors are employed by the large investments banks and ratings firms that crushed our economy in 2008 some of them at Harvard have even been busted for fraud.... Don't assume that because Romney is insanely wealthy and has extensive corperate experience that he is willing to share this stuff to help out 47% of us get rich....
 
working hard is only part of it, but i guarantee the huge majority of the super rich got that way by an insane amount of hard work. sure you can work 70 hours a week and call that hard work, it might be, but there is a lot more to working hard and becoming filthy rich than just spending a lot of time working. there's the willingness to take risks, which is probably just a important as how hard you work. how "business smart" you are, and just your overall mentality. good example of this is a friends dad who is the richest guy i know, like owns a bently, buys cars boats and houses like its nothing. anyway, he spent 6 years in school, working a full time job through all of it to pay for it, worked his ass off and did extremely well in school. got out of school, tried to get a job at this company he really wanted to work for, they didnt have one, so they hired him as a janitor, did that for a couple years, and slowly moved up in the company, getting better jobs, like a 15 year process, and eventually he owned it. sold it a couple years ago, started his own new company making little plastic pieces for hospitals, and now hes fucking loaded.

its that kind of mentality and thinking that makes people millions, and it takes a lot of sacrifices that the huge majority of people are not willing to make. its much easier to get a decent paying job, work 5 days a week, no risk, and live an easy comfortable life, nothing wrong with that at all.

i just hate it when people think rich people are just greedy assholes who fall into their wealth and didnt earn it. then the second you talk shit about the poor people mooching off welfare, not going and getting a job, you get called an asshole, because "its not their fault they are in the circumstances they are in" "there arent enough jobs" "McDonalds isnt good enough" etc.. the percentage of people looking for jobs is the lowest its been in something like 40 years. there are a lot of lazy fucks out there, especially today because we make it so damn easy to live pretty damn well without working and mooching off everyone else.
 
Which is something Romney never knew of seeing how his daddy was behind him every step of the way to bankroll these "risks". And the funny part about risks is that they don't always pay off so for those who work insanely hard and get fucked because of risks going the wrong way are now labeled by the republican party as failures or lazy.

Just to let you know, the super rich who say they became rich because of "risks" weren't really taking risks in the first place such as Romney. Also I'd love to see the stats that show the percentage of those who became rich because of risks. These are at most selective cases that the rich feed gullible people like yourself in order to try to relate to you. How about you use logic and facts before you believe what anyone tells you?

The bottom line is that a majority of millionaires have gotten to where they are not because of inheritance but because of privileges. Most of the rich folk don't realize this because they have never experienced life outside of their privileges. That goes for a majority of the white, middle class kids on this site.

 
how about you come up with some logic and facts before you believe what Obama tells you? i dont see you giving any facts.

If romneys daddy backed him, how did he get his money? did his daddy help him too? it had to start somewhere. I dont have statistics, im just basing it off what i observe. i can think of plenty of very wealthy people i know of in my home town or personally, etc.. and i dont think I know of one case where one of these super rich were born into it. Like i said, my friends dad payed his way through college. someone in my town that i dont know personally supplys restaurants with their food all over the nation, he's worth hundreds of millions, and came over here from france with absolutely nothing. some kid at my schools dad is a neurosurgeon, and owns a couple businesses around town, not super loaded, but definitely worth millions, he lived in like a shack with his his mom and brother. and it keeps going.. i cant think of one persons story that involves them inheriting their wealth. sure this is just within the people i know of, but its better than just assuming rich people didnt earn what they have because obama said so.

I dont get where this idea came from that you cannot create your own wealth, and need other peoples hard earned money to get by. it doesnt cost you anything to go get a job, the rich arent stopping you from working. if you think your above working at Wal-Mart well thats 100% your problem.

and as far as risks go, yes it doesnt always work the first time, sometime taking that risk can screw you over, but again, there is absolutely nothing stopping you from trying again. isnt it something like 80% of businesses fail in the first two years? so yes id label someone lazy if they tried to start a business, failed, and said fuck it give me my welfare.

and actually heres some stats i just looked up.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/research-desk-did-the-top-1-percent-inherit-its-wealth/2011/11/04/gIQA4T8kmM_blog.html

says 14% of the top 1% inherited their wealth. thats not a tiny number but its nowhere even close to being the majority. this parts interesting too.. “Our simulations show that eliminating inheritances either in full or in part actually increases overall wealth inequality and, in particular, sharply reduces the share of the bottom 40 percent of the wealth distribution,”
 
Romney's dad bankrolled his entire education (which a majority of Americans cannot do) as well as his entire upbringing including his first house (again that a majority of Americans will never experience). I can also guarentee that if Romeny ever ran into an unexpected medical issue such as Cancer, in which tens of thousands of Americans experience, that he would never have to pay for a single bill. He is the definition of entitlement. It astounds me that you choose to support someone that you know nothing about.

You're just further proof that the Republican platform runs off of ignorance.
 
I find it hilarious that you believe that Romney grew up in a shack... haha, so I guess governors mansions now classify as shacks now huh? Just because his dad worked hard and benefited OFF OF WELFARE THAT ROMNEY NOW OPPOSES, that doesn't mean Romney himself has any idea of what that's like. Afterall he did state that anyone not paying income taxes are leaches on this society and will never change from their habits of dependency.

And yeah you can't think of any stories of people inheriting their wealth because, AS I JUST POSTED, that rarely happens. Entitlements and inheritance are two different things altogether.

The part I just highlighted is a perfect example of the Republican party and how they form their political views. It's not based off facts or data, it's based off what they observe in their sheltered lives without consideration for anyone else.

Nice job, bud.
 
Replace entitlements with privileges, which comes down to simple things such as what race you are in life... again something that Romney admitted to in one of those clips posted above. Yeah... you can be successful in this country alright, all you need is a rich daddy and its the country of equal opportunity.

By the way I'm republican. I'm just not some blind retard that votes for whoever based off their political affiliation. I suggest you do the same.
 
am i wrong to say that he simply knows that he can't win those people over so he is not going to try? sounds like time maximization to me. maybe he came off a little harsh but he has a point.
 
wow read that again, i was not denying that romney inherited his wealth. i was asking how his dad got HIS wealth. was romneys dad born into it? my point is that at some point, somebody in that family created their wealth from very little.

Im in no way saying romney didnt have his dads backing, and i never said i support him, i dont. and as for that last statement, id argue that the democratic platform "runs off of ignorance" even more so than the republican side, and i dont like republicans, you would think it would be hard to beat them in that regard but the liberals have most definitely managed to do that.
 
what the fuck? where in any way did i say romney grew up in a shack? I agree with you! i know he was born into a very rich family! I was saying that it does not take inheriting your wealth to be successful. which it doesnt. as i showed, 14% of the 1% inherited their wealth, so the huge majority of the rich created their wealth themselves, 86% of the 1% are not romneys.

and again, im no republican, im very very far from one, at least the modern definition of a republican.

and thanks, bud.
 
I would really like you to explain to me how you NEED a rich daddy to be rich in this country, and why race stops you from being successful. like i said within the people i know i dont know of ONE, out of like 10 pretty damn rich people who's stories i know, that only got rich because of their rich dad, its the opposite in almost every case. and the statistics i showed again does a pretty damn good job of showing that the huge majority of the 1% did not get their money from their rich daddys.

and im not blindly voting for whoever based off their political affiliation, not even close, im having a very tough time finding one candidate i would vote for, it sure as hell wont be obama or romney.
 
I can understand why in some cases it makes things harder yes. but i dont see how it can actually stop you from being successful.
 
Okay I can define hard work for yu quite easily. Hard work requires the kind of effort that a seventy year old can' t muster up....do you honestly think Greenspan is a hard worker? Hard work gives you calluses and wears out your body....hard work is the kind of work when you get home you got no energy left because you busted your hump....Don' t even compare the risks taken by welders and other workers to the financial risks of venture capitalists....these jackasses can protect most of their financial assets from the IRS, but often hard working people put their life and limb into their jobs. The hard work and sacrifice done by the majority of Americans is what makes guys like Romney rich. People become rich at the expense of others, and the special drive, ambition or mentality that you refer only serves to keep as much profit as is possible and other people refer to it as greed. Do you think Mitt maintains his wealth by caring for the welfare of others? Not a hope in hell cause it is cheaper to send the labor to China.

Yeah the media loves to hype these rag to riches story, but if the only difference between the rich and the poor is effort, then we would have alot of rich people around. Hell there are whole bunch of young people working very hard and taking risks and none of them are rich....yeah they are called the Armed Forces....do you think those guys are lazy moochers? Moreover do you think they are all volunteered for duty because the janitorial positions can lead to millions?

Mitt Romney is an judgmental ass who is completely out of touch with reality.
 
"success" is a very loose term, defined only by one's personal opinion of success. for me, succeeding would be achieving happiness, whether or not i'm rich has no bearing, i don't see more money than i need as having anything to do with my happiness. some define success as being rich, i've got no problem with that, but it's pretty ignorant to say that success is equal to riches for everyone. you only succeed when you've achieved your goals.

don't talk down the kid who flips your burgers, he flips your fucking burgers. don't talk down the janitor who cleans your school, he keeps your fucking school clean. just because you see yourself as being above such things, doesn't mean you don't need someone else to do them, while you're busy trying to achieve your own goals. don't dismiss anyone who does the stuff you won't just because you don't think it's for you. the farmer who grows food won't ever make as much money as donald trump or richard branson, but trump and branson still have to eat.
 
not saying physical labor and poor paying jobs cant be hard work, i worked on my uncles ranch over the summer in high school and it was the hardest shit ive ever done, getting up before 5 every day and working until dark, it was insane, and the guy's been doing that his whole life. I completely respect the effort and risks people like that take. but he loves it, he's much happier making a decent living doing that rather than sitting in an office all day. i can respect both types, they both work their asses off and take risks, it takes different types of people to do both. neither one is right or wrong.

nobodys forcing you to pick up welding or farming or whatever for a living. if you want to work for a big company or start a big business, go right on ahead, nobodys gonna stop you. but it is a shit ton of effort, and you will have to take a lot of risks, both of which most people arent willing to do, just like most people arent willing to do physical labor on a ranch from 5-9 every day.

Im not saying the average citizen is lazy, im just saying that the vast majority of people are satisfied with having a safe normal job that pays pretty well. working 9-5 5 days a week and living a comfortable life, theres absolutely nothing wrong with that. it just depends on your priorities, not everyone wants to work their ass off all day every day. but if you wanna become really successful, thats what you gotta do. and i will say that the vast majority of people dont work their ass off. they work, but work doesnt take up their entire life. which is fine.

as far as romney becoming rich at the expense of others, that may be the case sometimes, but thats competition, selfishness, and greed, which everyone has, and a little bit of each is necessary. you need to put yourself above others most of the time, people need to be responsible for themselves, not the other way around. its human nature, nature in general. look at anything really, lets say sports, in order to be successful in sports your success comes at the expense of others, lets say you get picked for a football team, in order to do that, you are taking someones spot, but its because you are better, and you deserve it more than the other guy. say tennis, if you want to be the best tennis player in the world, it means everyone else wont be, their dream of being the best wont happen.

shit even working at mcdonalds, if you happen to be a better burger flipper than the next guy, that guys out of a job. and we need that, if we didnt have that constant competition and greed, we would be completely fucked.

and unfortunately, that competition means that someone has to loose, you have people at the very bottom, and the people at the very top who worked their ass off and put themselves above others, we might view them as selfish assholes, whether thats true or just the jealousy speaking doesnt matter, we need them, its all part of what drives us. you are always going to have people at the very bottom, who either arent willing to put in the effort, or got screwed over. luckily our society can have a safety net so they dont loose everything and starve. but where we are now we make it way too easy to get by by actually doing nothing. so it takes away that natural drive and competition thats so neccessary for success.

i dont get how people think this completely necessary greed, selfishness and competition is ok in their own lives, but when its somebody rich and famous, they are suddenly horrible people. what romney is doing is just what everyone else is doing

 
exactly, for me success doesnt mean being a billionaire. i either want a job that is my passion, or a job that gives me enough free time and money to have lots of sweet toys and do cool shit and go to cool places as much as i can. but just because the "greedy businessman" has a different view of success than yours, doesnt make him wrong.
 
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