Unpopular opinion thread skier's edition

[Vish-shoe]

shitty park crews make shitty scenes in my experience

Lmao this is hyland

 

[Vish-shoe]

Jetskis are just for rich kids who want to be edgy

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[SchizoSkier]

Jetskis are just for rich kids who want to be edgy

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Bro literally described [tag=242938]@Jems[/tag]

 

[Goretex_Vidal]

Jetskis are just for rich kids who want to be edgy

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The most core move is buying a four year old pair of blends with no edges and there core shots off your homie.

 

[SofaKingSick]

Expensive goggles are a waste of money

i can see how this seems true if you ski a small mtn and/or never go fast, but one day that requires goggs will make you realize it's worth having a good pair on hand. some of my favorite ski days have been storm days that sent half the crew back to their cars cause their goggles just couldn't hang

 

[Christian_Bale]

Expensive goggles are a waste of money

some goggles are too expensive but it's nice to have goggles that don't fog easily

 

[profa_212]

some goggles are too expensive but it's nice to have goggles that don't fog easily

Don't get me wrong I love my smith mags. But you don't need to spend that much for decent goggs. Squads are good and the lenses are quality for a real good price

 

[muffMan.]

Don't get me wrong I love my smith mags. But you don't need to spend that much for decent goggs. Squads are good and the lenses are quality for a real good price

Anything above 100 you’ll be getting great quality. Just above that you get fancy lens swaps

 

[SofaKingSick]

i can see how this seems true if you ski a small mtn and/or never go fast, but one day that requires goggs will make you realize it's worth having a good pair on hand. some of my favorite ski days have been storm days that sent half the crew back to their cars cause their goggles just couldn't hang

also you can get super nice goggles for well under $100 if you wait for good prices (for instance, now-- summer)

 

[ASSholebomber22]

You can find Oakley flight deck's for like 80 bucks if you look around. I'm not sure you can beat the lens quality at any price. I'll prob never buy anything else tbh

 

[muffMan.]

You can find Oakley flight deck's for like 80 bucks if you look around. I'm not sure you can beat the lens quality at any price. I'll prob never buy anything else tbh

That’s how I got my fall lines, I got two full pairs, cost me like 140 in total

 

[Jems]

Bro literally described [tag=242938]@Jems[/tag]

if my ass was rich i’d be driving to big sky multiple times a week in a brand new tacoma

 

[hi_vis360]

i can see how this seems true if you ski a small mtn and/or never go fast, but one day that requires goggs will make you realize it's worth having a good pair on hand. some of my favorite ski days have been storm days that sent half the crew back to their cars cause their goggles just couldn't hang

Idk man my current pair of bolle clear lens goggles cost me 26 dollars and I do plenty of east coast storm skiing in freezing rain and shit, they never fog if you dry them out properly. In my experience a lot of expensive goggles have some sort of weird no stick/hydrophobic treatment on them that do great with dry western snow but get absolutely demolished by the iconic east coast “winter mix” next thing you know you have some weird two tone blotchy thing going

 

[ChairJordan]

At this point pivot heels should vibrate

 

[dognuts]

At this point pivot heels should vibrate

you really made an alt to say that

 

[SofaKingSick]

Idk man my current pair of bolle clear lens goggles cost me 26 dollars and I do plenty of east coast storm skiing in freezing rain and shit, they never fog if you dry them out properly. In my experience a lot of expensive goggles have some sort of weird no stick/hydrophobic treatment on them that do great with dry western snow but get absolutely demolished by the iconic east coast “winter mix” next thing you know you have some weird two tone blotchy thing going

that's dope, i mean bolle is a legit brand so maybe theyre just decent quality despite being cheap, idk. i guess the point of what i was saying was it's worth it to get name brand goggles, they certainly don't need to be expensive, but even the flagship models can be found for such good prices it's worth keeping an eye out

i also hear what the guy was probably saying, for a lot of skiing situations goggles are overkill but yeah i can't imagine not owning a decent pair

 

[Christian_Bale]

sw tail "butter" 2s are one of the least satisfying tricks to watch 98% of the time. Almost every time I see one it's just a revert to a rail slide. Some people do them properly but it's rare. I don't have the same hate for nb2s because even if you don't flex your skis it's still a revert to sw tails.

 

[Christian_Bale]

clips of people smashing things and tagging in street videos are generally boring to me. That being said, I really like that clip in the paakku video of the filmer almost risking his life to get the fisheye clip of the falling tv.

 

[verynormalguy]

@ Maude Raymond

sw tail "butter" 2s are one of the least satisfying tricks to watch 98% of the time. Almost every time I see one it's just a revert to a rail slide. Some people do them properly but it's rare. I don't have the same hate for nb2s because even if you don't flex your skis it's still a revert to sw tails.

 

[ConfinedAquifer]

Edits that are mostly just follow cams of rail and tube tricks, even if they're impressive, are kinda ugly

 

[ASSholebomber22]

I feel like jskis have shapes and profiles that would ski great and I'd love to try a pair. And I kinda dig the fratbro corniness of their graphics.

 

[BradFiAusNzCoCa]

The tech of the skis has always been solid. You’ll be hitting the denver skier demographic. Make sure to grab a dope jacket too.

I feel like jskis have shapes and profiles that would ski great and I'd love to try a pair. And I kinda dig the fratbro corniness of their graphics.

 

[Farmville420]

Not a fan of the soundtrack but I actually really fuck with how every shot in MTL is at like 85% speed, looks really good and Mat is a fuckin maniac in the streets

 

[asparagus]

Not a fan of the soundtrack but I actually really fuck with how every shot in MTL is at like 85% speed, looks really good and Mat is a fuckin maniac in the streets

I agree it reminds me of a lot 2009ish edits (which were probably at 30% speed lol).

Also MTL 2 dropping this fall!!

 

[Farmville420]

I agree it reminds me of a lot 2009ish edits (which were probably at 30% speed lol).

Also MTL 2 dropping this fall!!

I'm stoked, that dude has incredible style and some of the most technical and buck tricks I've seen

 

[Farmville420]

Not an opinion but I'm predicting magma III is gonna put Hunter and Ahall above B&E as the best duo of all time

**This post was edited on Aug 25th 2023 at 7:49:14pm

 

[asparagus]

Not an opinion but I'm predicting magma III is gonna put Hunter and Ahall above B&E as the best duo of all time

**This post was edited on Aug 25th 2023 at 7:49:14pm

Unpopular opinion is thinking magma 3 has the possibility to do that, I wanna be wrong tho

 

[Farmville420]

Unpopular opinion is thinking magma 3 has the possibility to do that, I wanna be wrong tho

I mean they are way closer than people think, a hall is probably gonna wind up being the goat and hunter is the most well rounded maybe of all time, I think the production of magma Boyz is a step above B&E though

 

[nCrow]

I feel like it’s gonna be a generational thing more than anything. Skiing has changed so much since b&e came out and the different generations of skiers are gonna have different GOAT opinions now

Not an opinion but I'm predicting magma III is gonna put Hunter and Ahall above B&E as the best duo of all time

**This post was edited on Aug 25th 2023 at 7:49:14pm

 

[nCrow]

I agree Owen dahlberg is definitely superior on the production side

I mean they are way closer than people think, a hall is probably gonna wind up being the goat and hunter is the most well rounded maybe of all time, I think the production of magma Boyz is a step above B&E though

 

[WoFlowz]

honestly we can go back to proportionate pants. like i get the rule of thirds but some of these fits are rule of 9s

 

[Jems]

honestly we can go back to proportionate pants. like i get the rule of thirds but some of these fits are rule of 9s

if this is anti big pants i agree. i like some big pants but fucking christ at least i’ve never had parachutes on my legs.

 

[WoFlowz]

if this is anti big pants i agree. i like some big pants but fucking christ at least i’ve never had parachutes on my legs.

i don’t even have a problem with parachute pants. It’s just shit has gotten so baggy it’s disproportionate and makes people look like they’re wearing a diaper or blow up sumo suits

 

[BigPurpleSkiSuit]

I would prefer to make long fast sweeping turns like Tof Henry in powder than big slashes that halt my speed

 

[BradFiAusNzCoCa]

I would 100% agree

*edited to say literally as I watch Tanner Hall’s Teddybear crisis segment lmao I so obviously grew up in the Tanner gen

I feel like it’s gonna be a generational thing more than anything. Skiing has changed so much since b&e came out and the different generations of skiers are gonna have different GOAT opinions now

**This post was edited on Aug 26th 2023 at 2:15:01am

 

[icy_park_jump]

i don’t even have a problem with parachute pants. It’s just shit has gotten so baggy it’s disproportionate and makes people look like they’re wearing a diaper or blow up sumo suits

It’s like a giant flag that says “I’m so insecure about my sense of style that I follow trends no matter how ridiculous they look”

 

[tzhaki]

"beginner lessons" shouldnt exist and is why most new people leave skiing. they teach you stuff that youll have to stop using if you even wanna go to a green trail or smth. theyre also painfully long and boring. new skiers are better off learning from a friend or even off youtube.

**This post was edited on Aug 27th 2023 at 12:45:20pm

 

[icy_park_jump]

"beginner lessons" shouldnt exist and is why most new people leave skiing. they teach you stuff that youll have to stop using if you even wanna go to a green trail or smth. theyre also painfully long and boring. new skiers are better off learning from a friend or even off youtube.

**This post was edited on Aug 27th 2023 at 12:45:20pm

What would you suggest to improve a beginner lesson?

 

[WoFlowz]

will die on the hill that nevermind is the best ski film. Nothing in skiing quite has the patina or melancholic mood. I’d say it’s on par with How dark Blue feels. Mad ups to @sonyhandycam and bryden for using real super 8.

Eat the guts is still my favorite ski movie just not film

 

[tzhaki]

What would you suggest to improve a beginner lesson?

Teach the normal stop, and immediately teach them how to turn properly. They need to stop with the wedge/pizza bullshit and teach people the "real" fundamentals. I've taught friends/family before and most of them were on greens comfortably within a few hours. Beginner lessons will take you up to bunny hill/easy greens but it creates a barrier that really shouldn't be there, which is having to pretty much relearn skiing when you learn a different method of stopping/turning.

 

[butterflywatcher]

Teach the normal stop, and immediately teach them how to turn properly. They need to stop with the wedge/pizza bullshit and teach people the "real" fundamentals. I've taught friends/family before and most of them were on greens comfortably within a few hours. Beginner lessons will take you up to bunny hill/easy greens but it creates a barrier that really shouldn't be there, which is having to pretty much relearn skiing when you learn a different method of stopping/turning.

When i first learned my friend just sent me down a blue and it was chill

 

[tzhaki]

When i first learned my friend just sent me down a blue and it was chill

i wouldve died lol

 

[icy_park_jump]

Teach the normal stop, and immediately teach them how to turn properly. They need to stop with the wedge/pizza bullshit and teach people the "real" fundamentals. I've taught friends/family before and most of them were on greens comfortably within a few hours. Beginner lessons will take you up to bunny hill/easy greens but it creates a barrier that really shouldn't be there, which is having to pretty much relearn skiing when you learn a different method of stopping/turning.

So hockey stop first? I usually have a pretty hard time teaching that, even when people have been skiing for a while. I definitely agree that teaching pizza turns and then leaving is not good. The issue is that we only have 1hr and if people can't stop, turn, and get on the lift by the end of it they're gonna be pissed off at us, and pizza wedge is the tried-and-true way to get people skiing independently as quickly as possible.

I am definitely open to new ideas though. It's pretty obvious that people at my hill are teaching one way because that's the way they've always done it.

**This post was edited on Aug 28th 2023 at 11:37:22pm

 

[r00kie]

"beginner lessons" shouldnt exist and is why most new people leave skiing. they teach you stuff that youll have to stop using if you even wanna go to a green trail or smth. theyre also painfully long and boring. new skiers are better off learning from a friend or even off youtube.

**This post was edited on Aug 27th 2023 at 12:45:20pm

They have their place. When I instructed I always asked why people were out skiing and trying something new. If they were just out for a day to try something new, I gave the tools to play around for the day so I focused more on the wedge and such just so they could comfortably play e around on the greens and get their day of fun. If they sounded like they wanted to pursue skiing beyond that I would try to push past the wedge and jump into Christy 1s and 2s quicker to avoid avoid it becoming a barrier.

 

[BradFiAusNzCoCa]

Nah. The amount of beginners I got up and rolling comfortably in an hour completely disputes this. I actually tell most people now to get a beginner lesson if not for just learning basic fundamentals. Plus it is so easy to transition from a wedge to a hockey stop once you have people doing wedge Christy’s. You literally just have them make a bigger, abrupter J shaped turn and they stop. Most naturally will start pulling their inside leg in too. You tell them “follow me” and ski backwards and most will do it.

Obviously you’ve never been in a situation where someone can’t stop on terrain that is too much for their ability. THAT stops people from continuing skiing.

"beginner lessons" shouldnt exist and is why most new people leave skiing. they teach you stuff that youll have to stop using if you even wanna go to a green trail or smth. theyre also painfully long and boring. new skiers are better off learning from a friend or even off youtube.

**This post was edited on Aug 27th 2023 at 12:45:20pm

 

[Rparr]

will die on the hill that nevermind is the best ski film. Nothing in skiing quite has the patina or melancholic mood. I’d say it’s on par with How dark Blue feels. Mad ups to @sonyhandycam and bryden for using real super 8.

Eat the guts is still my favorite ski movie just not film

what in the actual fuck is the difference between a ski movie and a ski film?

 

[tzhaki]

Nah. The amount of beginners I got up and rolling comfortably in an hour completely disputes this. I actually tell most people now to get a beginner lesson if not for just learning basic fundamentals. Plus it is so easy to transition from a wedge to a hockey stop once you have people doing wedge Christy’s. You literally just have them make a bigger, abrupter J shaped turn and they stop. Most naturally will start pulling their inside leg in too. You tell them “follow me” and ski backwards and most will do it.

Obviously you’ve never been in a situation where someone can’t stop on terrain that is too much for their ability. THAT stops people from continuing skiing.

oh ive never tried the follow me thing, ill see if it works. i've seen 3 people so far have to relearn skiing because of the wedge, but maybe its just a skill issue.

 

[Vish-shoe]

It’s like a giant flag that says “I’m so insecure about my sense of style that I follow trends no matter how ridiculous they look”

I like the big pants because they make me look short like Jems

 

[SteezyYeeter]

JSkis, ON3P, Armada, Line, Faction, Solomon, Fisher, Nordica, Blizzard, K2, DPS, Rossignol, Black Crow, Gilson, Jet, Atomic, RMU, 4FRNT, Eqpt, Liberty, Lib Tech, Dynastar, and Moment all make ugly top sheets for 99%-100% of all their skis. A few of them made a single top sheet that I kinda like that bumps them down to only 99% shitty top sheet art. Shout out Thanos Dog.

There's only a solid 3-4 ski brands rn that either make a ski I can't find from another company with a better top sheet or they just make good top sheets.

Also completely unrelated to this; I would've won the ON3P top sheet contest if it wasnt completely rigged and if the people who run ON3P weren't Portland Pussys. On the bright side though, I don't have to worry about selling a pair of ON3Ps anytime soon.

you named every fucking ski company. and anyways just make ur own like xkla

 

[SteezyYeeter]

Teach the normal stop, and immediately teach them how to turn properly. They need to stop with the wedge/pizza bullshit and teach people the "real" fundamentals. I've taught friends/family before and most of them were on greens comfortably within a few hours. Beginner lessons will take you up to bunny hill/easy greens but it creates a barrier that really shouldn't be there, which is having to pretty much relearn skiing when you learn a different method of stopping/turning.

wedge is way easier for kids to learn in a short period than a hockey stop (don't know how it is for adults but would assume it's similar). it's just a short intermediary step between pizza and slide-turns. beginners aren't going to be able to learn any other type of turns in a short period of time, and i don't know why you think it creates a barrier.