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I ski both the commander 188 and dw 190 , I’d say get the 190 or your gonna feel like it’s really short

14454617:vermontana said:
Well its too hot out and dreaming of pow days, its time to replace my beat pow touring sticks and add some Deathwish Tours to the quiver, stuck between 184 and 190. Other sticks are from 183 park skis to 188 commander 108s.

I have 185 blizzard zerog 95s as my big day/spring touring sticks, so was leaning towards 190 DWTs for meadow skipping floatability when avy conditions are sketch. I've heard they ski a bit short too w the deep rocker lines. [tag=144811]@hot.pocket[/tag] or anyone else have opinions?
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14454846:SavageBiff said:
I ski both the commander 188 and dw 190 , I’d say get the 190 or your gonna feel like it’s really short
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I agree, I ski the same. I have spent time on my brother's 184's, and they feel a bit too short.
 
Really struggling to pick between the DW104 and Wildcat 101.

I currently ski the regular Deathwish 184cm in the Midwest (I know, ridiculous). Originally got it for trips out west but kinda loved it so much I was just always skiing it.

Looking for something narrower that’s faster edge to edge for ripping groomers. I ski switch quite a bit, like to open up the throttle and lay huge ass GS trenches, and can often be caught popping off of moguls and side hits. I like my speed. I like my heavy G forces in hard ass hip-grazing carves.

The 112 wide will probably remain my trip ski, so looking for a Midwest daily driver. Our conditions frequently alternate between diamond hard ice and the deepest sloppiest slush ever (this is where the Deathwish was hilarious fun for me). Not a whole lot of days in the happy middle between those two it seems.

5’9” 180lbs.

What should I be on?

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14457333:ButteredToast. said:
Really struggling to pick between the DW104 and Wildcat 101.

I currently ski the regular Deathwish 184cm in the Midwest (I know, ridiculous). Originally got it for trips out west but kinda loved it so much I was just always skiing it.

Looking for something narrower that’s faster edge to edge for ripping groomers. I ski switch quite a bit, like to open up the throttle and lay huge ass GS trenches, and can often be caught popping off of moguls and side hits. I like my speed. I like my heavy G forces in hard ass hip-grazing carves.
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I'd lean towards the DW104 for what you're describing. We designed it to be a midwest / east coast Deathwish, and I think you'll appreciate the extra edge grip and confidence it'll give you on the icy groomers. Still plenty playful for popping moguls and side hits, while definitely handling hip-grazing carving a bit better than the WC101.
 
Thanks!!! Should I stick with 184 for my height/weight?

Originally I went 184 because I knew I skied fast and would want the float for powder. Thought it would ski a tad long but it feels ok.

If I don’t really plan on hitting powder on the 104 (just slush blasting) should I size down to the 179 or just go with what I know?

14457356:hot.pocket said:
I'd lean towards the DW104 for what you're describing. We designed it to be a midwest / east coast Deathwish, and I think you'll appreciate the extra edge grip and confidence it'll give you on the icy groomers. Still plenty playful for popping moguls and side hits, while definitely handling hip-grazing carving a bit better than the WC101.
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14457365:chimpansteeze said:
[tag=144811]@hot.pocket[/tag]

just gonna be sitting around hitting refresh on the reserve section for the next two months...
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What're you hoping to see?

14457367:ButteredToast. said:
Thanks!!! Should I stick with 184 for my height/weight?

Originally I went 184 because I knew I skied fast and would want the float for powder. Thought it would ski a tad long but it feels ok.

If I don’t really plan on hitting powder on the 104 (just slush blasting) should I size down to the 179 or just go with what I know?
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I would recommend going with the 179 for the 104. It's a bit stiffer than the 112 and I think the 179 length will still be plenty stable for you for what you're looking to use it for.

6'2 / 150lbs and I currently ski both the 104 and the 112 in the 190 length, kinda wish I had gone with the shorter length in the 104. Would've given me a little more variety and made choosing between the two skis in the mornings a little bit easier.
 
Grest point. With the 179 at a 21m radius instead of 22m on the 184 that’ll probably create more variety between my two pairs. Making the OG Deathwish the obvious choice for deep/variable/sloppy days and the DW104 the obvious choice for hard days when I just wanna snap some turns.

14457368:hot.pocket said:
What're you hoping to see?

I would recommend going with the 179 for the 104. It's a bit stiffer than the 112 and I think the 179 length will still be plenty stable for you for what you're looking to use it for.

6'2 / 150lbs and I currently ski both the 104 and the 112 in the 190 length, kinda wish I had gone with the shorter length in the 104. Would've given me a little more variety and made choosing between the two skis in the mornings a little bit easier.
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14457368:hot.pocket said:
What're you hoping to see?

I would recommend going with the 179 for the 104. It's a bit stiffer than the 112 and I think the 179 length will still be plenty stable for you for what you're looking to use it for.

6'2 / 150lbs and I currently ski both the 104 and the 112 in the 190 length, kinda wish I had gone with the shorter length in the 104. Would've given me a little more variety and made choosing between the two skis in the mornings a little bit easier.
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187 Meridians with the 2015 underworld graphic
 
14457370:ButteredToast. said:
Grest point. With the 179 at a 21m radius instead of 22m on the 184 that’ll probably create more variety between my two pairs. Making the OG Deathwish the obvious choice for deep/variable/sloppy days and the DW104 the obvious choice for hard days when I just wanna snap some turns.
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Exactly.

14457375:DUBIE said:
187 Meridians with the 2015 underworld graphic
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You and me both.
 
I’m also waiting for some fishtail skis in adult sizes , like wtf why they all so small

14458154:chimpansteeze said:
Like 105/108. Kinda like a Sakana that isn’t a noodle and comes in adult sizes
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14458154:chimpansteeze said:
Like 105/108. Kinda like a Sakana that isn’t a noodle and comes in adult sizes
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14458181:SavageBiff said:
I’m also waiting for some fishtail skis in adult sizes , like wtf why they all so small
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The general idea [at least in my opinion] as to why all these fish tail skis come in such shorter sizes is that it's trying to combine a very freestyle oriented ski with a directional platform.

The Sakana mounts at -8cm, and at 6'2 I would be happy with a 182cm length on this. If it was sized up to a 188, it would essentially be a very directional platform at my size, and would negate a lot of the freestyle benefits [low swing weight, easy maneuverability, etc...] that come with the shorter length. Think of it as a 188cm ski designed to be mounted at ~4.5cm back with 6cm chopped off the tail to make it easier to toss around.

Not sure if that's Line's reasoning, but that's the explanation I could see for why they only come in shorter lengths. I made a fish tail ski at 106mm underfoot / 182cm length a few years back and it was an absolute blast at that size, even the heavier guys at the shop who typically ski a directional 188cm ski really enjoyed it.
 
Was thinking of picking up a pair of 184cm Wildcat Tours w/ some Cast Free Tours for the upcoming season. I currently ski 21/22 184cm Wildcat 108's as my daily drivers and I was hoping that the Tours could fill the roll of both touring skis & resort powder skis while still skiing semi-similarly to my current setup. With all that in mind, I am around 6'2 & 165lbs (I know, time for a bulk) so I was considering opting for 190cm's over sticking with the 184cm's since they would ideally be skied in deeper snow and the extra length & width might be nice for float in deeper snow. Would I be fine sticking with the 184cm length? or would the difference in float be significant enough that I'd want to opt for the longer ski?

Side Note: The whole package of Skins, Skis, Bindings, & Poles is pretty pricey, so I was considering going for last years Blem Wildcat Tours on Skiburger and shaving off a couple hundred from the total. Anyone have experience with the Blem skis? How significant / noticeable are the Blemishes? is it worth the $300 more to get the normal ones?
 
14461533:Nate5B said:
Was thinking of picking up a pair of 184cm Wildcat Tours w/ some Cast Free Tours for the upcoming season. I currently ski 21/22 184cm Wildcat 108's as my daily drivers and I was hoping that the Tours could fill the roll of both touring skis & resort powder skis while still skiing semi-similarly to my current setup. With all that in mind, I am around 6'2 & 165lbs (I know, time for a bulk) so I was considering opting for 190cm's over sticking with the 184cm's since they would ideally be skied in deeper snow and the extra length & width might be nice for float in deeper snow. Would I be fine sticking with the 184cm length? or would the difference in float be significant enough that I'd want to opt for the longer ski?

Side Note: The whole package of Skins, Skis, Bindings, & Poles is pretty pricey, so I was considering going for last years Blem Wildcat Tours on Skiburger and shaving off a couple hundred from the total. Anyone have experience with the Blem skis? How significant / noticeable are the Blemishes? is it worth the $300 more to get the normal ones?
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If you're touring, go with the 184. It'll be easier to maneuver when you're tired.
 
They have excellent customer service, probably the best, E mail or hit them in chat they’ll answer your ?s about the blem, I’d say def worth it, they’re structurally perfect and saving you $ which seems important to you, your gonna scuff if anyway if you don’t, maybe you don’t deserve em… ?

I’d go with the 190s especially at your height for float and stability, the 184s would probably serve you just as well if you wanna prioritize maneuverability, if you can’t maneuver the 190s get better

I’d cop them before they’re gone, your gonna enjoy them

14461533:Nate5B said:
Was thinking of picking up a pair of 184cm Wildcat Tours w/ some Cast Free Tours for the upcoming season. I currently ski 21/22 184cm Wildcat 108's as my daily drivers and I was hoping that the Tours could fill the roll of both touring skis & resort powder skis while still skiing semi-similarly to my current setup. With all that in mind, I am around 6'2 & 165lbs (I know, time for a bulk) so I was considering opting for 190cm's over sticking with the 184cm's since they would ideally be skied in deeper snow and the extra length & width might be nice for float in deeper snow. Would I be fine sticking with the 184cm length? or would the difference in float be significant enough that I'd want to opt for the longer ski?

Side Note: The whole package of Skins, Skis, Bindings, & Poles is pretty pricey, so I was considering going for last years Blem Wildcat Tours on Skiburger and shaving off a couple hundred from the total. Anyone have experience with the Blem skis? How significant / noticeable are the Blemishes? is it worth the $300 more to get the normal ones?
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14461533:Nate5B said:
Anyone have experience with the Blem skis? How significant / noticeable are the Blemishes? is it worth the $300 more to get the normal ones?
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Most of the time, if you don't go looking for it, you'll never notice it.

All blemishes are purely cosmetic. We do not sell any blem skis that have construction / integrity issues.
 
14461533:Nate5B said:
Was thinking of picking up a pair of 184cm Wildcat Tours w/ some Cast Free Tours for the upcoming season. I currently ski 21/22 184cm Wildcat 108's as my daily drivers and I was hoping that the Tours could fill the roll of both touring skis & resort powder skis while still skiing semi-similarly to my current setup. With all that in mind, I am around 6'2 & 165lbs (I know, time for a bulk) so I was considering opting for 190cm's over sticking with the 184cm's since they would ideally be skied in deeper snow and the extra length & width might be nice for float in deeper snow. Would I be fine sticking with the 184cm length? or would the difference in float be significant enough that I'd want to opt for the longer ski?

Side Note: The whole package of Skins, Skis, Bindings, & Poles is pretty pricey, so I was considering going for last years Blem Wildcat Tours on Skiburger and shaving off a couple hundred from the total. Anyone have experience with the Blem skis? How significant / noticeable are the Blemishes? is it worth the $300 more to get the normal ones?
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I don't want to take away from a sale to Moment, love those guys and I have bought plenty from them. (From main site and SkiBurger)

But I think there are some used setups for sale on the NS site right now. I was browsing a little bit ago. Not sure if they were the tour model or the regular layup. But if you are not doing huge tours, the regular layup would be a blast all around. I rock the 190 WC with Shifts on short pow day laps.
 
14461533:Nate5B said:
Was thinking of picking up a pair of 184cm Wildcat Tours w/ some Cast Free Tours for the upcoming season.
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Glazed over this during the first read through.

Generally we do not recommend putting Cast on our touring lineup. This is our stance for a few reasons:

1. The heavy setup of Cast negates a lot of the weight savings of going with a tour model.

2. A lightweight tech binding like the Voyager provides plenty of power transfer and stability for touring conditions.

3. Split use or 50 / 50 setups typically see significantly more resort than touring.

I would recommend either going Wildcat Tour + Voyager if you plan on using it for touring 80%+ of the time, or a full weight Wildcat + Cast if you plan on occasionally touring.

The extra weight and damping of the full weight Wildcat will allow it to perform significantly better in the resort during pow days when things typically get tracked out quickly, and if you're looking at occasionally touring, the extra weight isn't the end of the world.

Conversely, pairing the Wildcat Tour with a Voyager will achieve the overall lighter weight we typically look for in (mostly) touring specific setups.

Just some things to consider.
 
14461547:BigPurpleSkiSuit said:
If you're touring, go with the 184. It'll be easier to maneuver when you're tired.
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14461559:SavageBiff said:
They have excellent customer service, probably the best, E mail or hit them in chat they’ll answer your ?s about the blem, I’d say def worth it, they’re structurally perfect and saving you $ which seems important to you, your gonna scuff if anyway if you don’t, maybe you don’t deserve em… ?

I’d go with the 190s especially at your height for float and stability, the 184s would probably serve you just as well if you wanna prioritize maneuverability, if you can’t maneuver the 190s get better

I’d cop them before they’re gone, your gonna enjoy them
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14461759:SkiWiedmer said:
I don't want to take away from a sale to Moment, love those guys and I have bought plenty from them. (From main site and SkiBurger)

But I think there are some used setups for sale on the NS site right now. I was browsing a little bit ago. Not sure if they were the tour model or the regular layup. But if you are not doing huge tours, the regular layup would be a blast all around. I rock the 190 WC with Shifts on short pow day laps.
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14462005:hot.pocket said:
Glazed over this during the first read through.

Generally we do not recommend putting Cast on our touring lineup. This is our stance for a few reasons:

1. The heavy setup of Cast negates a lot of the weight savings of going with a tour model.

2. A lightweight tech binding like the Voyager provides plenty of power transfer and stability for touring conditions.

3. Split use or 50 / 50 setups typically see significantly more resort than touring.

I would recommend either going Wildcat Tour + Voyager if you plan on using it for touring 80%+ of the time, or a full weight Wildcat + Cast if you plan on occasionally touring.

The extra weight and damping of the full weight Wildcat will allow it to perform significantly better in the resort during pow days when things typically get tracked out quickly, and if you're looking at occasionally touring, the extra weight isn't the end of the world.

Conversely, pairing the Wildcat Tour with a Voyager will achieve the overall lighter weight we typically look for in (mostly) touring specific setups.

Just some things to consider.
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Thank you all for the info, definitely gonna have to put some thought in before I finally put my money where my mouth is.
 
14462005:hot.pocket said:
Glazed over this during the first read through.

Generally we do not recommend putting Cast on our touring lineup. This is our stance for a few reasons:

1. The heavy setup of Cast negates a lot of the weight savings of going with a tour model.

2. A lightweight tech binding like the Voyager provides plenty of power transfer and stability for touring conditions.

3. Split use or 50 / 50 setups typically see significantly more resort than touring.

I would recommend either going Wildcat Tour + Voyager if you plan on using it for touring 80%+ of the time, or a full weight Wildcat + Cast if you plan on occasionally touring.

The extra weight and damping of the full weight Wildcat will allow it to perform significantly better in the resort during pow days when things typically get tracked out quickly, and if you're looking at occasionally touring, the extra weight isn't the end of the world.

Conversely, pairing the Wildcat Tour with a Voyager will achieve the overall lighter weight we typically look for in (mostly) touring specific setups.

Just some things to consider.
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I came in here to ask a similar question. Thanks as always for such a detailed write up.

This year’s lineup looks so damn good I’m looking for any excuse to buy a new pair but I am loving my Wildcat’s from last season. I might just buy CAST, and some Moment gear to support.
 
Just got my DW104s mounted up along with my new boots today now im trying to get a hold of cobra commander to fire up his weather dominator for snow soo pumped to ski these planks
 
I've made it a long time without being tempted by the DW104, but I saw a pair in a shop for the first time this week, and it was damn hard not to walk out of there with them! Stoked for winter!
 
I’m curious to how the moment bibbys do with mounted forward of rec. got a used pair but it’s been drilled twice. If I have to, will going +2 or so from rec kill the ski?
 
14468166:Coleg55 said:
I’m curious to how the moment bibbys do with mounted forward of rec. got a used pair but it’s been drilled twice. If I have to, will going +2 or so from rec kill the ski?
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Most of our athletes mount that ski at +2 to begin with, if you have any freestyle tendencies you'll be plenty fine.
 
X.XXXI.MMXXII​

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14471321:JChockey22 said:
I think something is dropping 10/31/2022 thats what the Roman numerals mean anyway
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I still recall the roman numeral system even this long after finishing school.

The Nietzsche quote and a Halloween release suggests something interesting coming down the pipe.
 
14471292:hot.pocket said:
X.XXXI.MMXXII​

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Saw the email. Is the Ghost Train coming back? I bought an extra pair off Skiburger when you discontinued them, but CO gets so few days worthy of that ski, they get very little usage. If so, will there be a shorter version available, like my 168's?

**This post was edited on Oct 28th 2022 at 4:27:04pm
 
14474027:ThaLorax said:
Saw the email. Is the Ghost Train coming back? I bought an extra pair off Skiburger when you discontinued them, but CO gets so few days worthy of that ski, they get very little usage. If so, will there be a shorter version available, like my 168's?

**This post was edited on Oct 28th 2022 at 4:27:04pm
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Not the train, but it's a halloween release and it's chanting your name.
 
Alright Moment experts, I need some persuasion.

Stuck between the Meridian in a 181 or either Deathwish in a 179. Here's the thing, I've free'd the heel. I know the old heads stick their noses up at the idea of full rocker for a tele setup, but on alpine I preferred the feel of a low full rocker ski, such as the Hoji and Majesty Lumberjack. Not too sure how it will convert over to granola skiing. I see there is a positive review on the Meridian from a tele guy.

I want a ski that will be nimble and easy to pivot / maneuver in the trees that will float in the softies. Daily driver Jay Peak type of ski, hitting a little bit of everything around the mountain once the snow fills in. Ability to plow through crud is high on the priority list. I like damp dead feeling skis, not lively energetic skis.

I have a pair of Season Aero's that I will likely be converting over for early season/ icy days. I will likely add a touring / lighter weight pow specific ski to the quiver in the future.

**This post was edited on Nov 26th 2022 at 9:10:52am
 
14483704:Lemuel said:
I want a ski that will be nimble and easy to pivot / maneuver in the trees that will float in the softies. Daily driver Jay Peak type of ski, hitting a little bit of everything around the mountain once the snow fills in. Ability to plow through crud is high on the priority list. I like damp dead feeling skis, not lively energetic skis.
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You want the Meridian.
 
You guys hit me with meridians then more nanas…. What’s next??

you guys should sell ski racks bc I gotta buy a new one every year cause of ya ?

thx to all you @moment
 
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