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14478103:PacificRimJob said:
It's really not in the shitter... I mean, it's not really benefiting people the lower and middle class, but that's been the case for a long-long time. It's simply "meh" if you're an investor right now - which you probably aren't. Meanwhile I receive about 6 or 7 messages per day on Indeed or Linkedin or other recruiter sites just begging me to take an interview. I'm sure that's the case for a LOT of people. That's not a sign of a shitty economy.

The unemployment rate is at 3.5%.. right back to where it was in Feb 2020 when Covid fucked us, and consumers are still buying stuff to the point where the Fed is like 'wtf, chill out, we gotta ease this shit - can we raise interest rates? JFC!'

Yeah, gas prices are higher than usual and inflation is at a 40-year high, but that's not a domestic issue - it's a global one - and the USA has been much more resilient in both cases than other comparable economies. It will take time, but things will mellow out and we might already be on the plateau. There will be a regression to the mean, here.

Don't get me wrong, inflation is scary, especially when you see prices on consumer goods jump by quite a bit compared to 3 years ago - but this is nothing like the housing crisis when everyone was losing their house left and right, and jobs dried up. Back then, unemployment went from 5% to 10% in 18 months... Instead, It's at 3.5% and there are still hiring signs left right and centre and everywhere seems understaffed.

I don't call a recession "meh".

I know the biden admin refuses to admit it's a recession, but the term has always been defined as two consecutive quarters of a negative gdp growth.

Interpret as you like.
 
14478109:Turd__Authority said:
You two are the equivalent of drunk high school dropouts attempting to discuss economics in a bar.

Nah. it's just funny to see someone say everything is higher now than 2 years ago after a literal crash.

And the kid is trying to say the stock market is the economy.

It's hilarious how little he knows about economics.
 
14478140:VTshredder69 said:
I don't call a recession "meh".

I know the biden admin refuses to admit it's a recession, but the term has always been defined as two consecutive quarters of a negative gdp growth.

Interpret as you like.

erm actually the biden administration said we weren't in a recession. stop spreading misinformation.

p.s. they did not change the definition of recession fosho
 
14478142:VTshredder69 said:
Nah. it's just funny to see someone say everything is higher now than 2 years ago after a literal crash.

And the kid is trying to say the stock market is the economy.

It's hilarious how little he knows about economics.

Yeah that was a stretch...he's a fucking idiot but you're also the classic fucking idiot thinking that the current administration is solely to blame for the economy. It doesn't work like that yet every dipshit and their mother do the same thing. When it's good, praise the office. When it's bad, blame the office. Raise interest rates. Don't raise interest rates. We are still fucked. Totally ignoring any of the events of previous years leading up to the current recession and ignoring all the multitude of national and international issues out of an administration's control that are impacting the economy.
 
14478142:VTshredder69 said:
Nah. it's just funny to see someone say everything is higher now than 2 years ago after a literal crash.

And the kid is trying to say the stock market is the economy.

It's hilarious how little he knows about economics.

Nah. Its just funny to see someone say the stock market isn't higher than it was 2 years ago and claims it crashed when its still over 6,000 points higher than it was 2 years ago.

And the kid is pretending like Republicans haven't used the stock market as an indicator for how well the economy has been doing for the entire time Trump was president.

Its hilarious how little he knows about economics.
 
14478155:skierman said:
Nah. Its just funny to see someone say the stock market isn't higher than it was 2 years ago and claims it crashed when its still over 6,000 points higher than it was 2 years ago.

And the kid is pretending like Republicans haven't used the stock market as an indicator for how well the economy has been doing for the entire time Trump was president.

Its hilarious how little he knows about economics.

OOooofff. your ignorance is showing each post.
 
14478155:skierman said:
Its hilarious how little he knows about economics.

actually he knows a load about economics. he's a billionaire. also, let's just assume that was true. ok, why is that funny? you're not laughing. you probably shit your pants everytime you see a trump sign or a maga hat.
 
14478142:VTshredder69 said:
It's hilarious how little he knows about economics.

That's rich coming from you lmao.

Ignorant partisans like yourself need to understand that the administration has very little to do with the strength or weakness of the economy, both parties are guilty of cherry picking economy indicators as campaigning points, so fuck them, but people like you need to stop being so fucking brainwashed and educate themselves.

Economy is in the shitter? Inflation in the US is lower than pretty much anywhere else on the planet simply because our economy is stronger than pretty much anywhere else. The economy grew 2.6% last quarter, exports were up, consumer spending was up, and unemployment is low. Our economy is doing ok, and if you think it's in the shitter now, you're in for a rude awakening once it actually deteriorates.. Which is only a matter of time, but again will have little to do with whoever is in office by then.
 
14478165:Monsieur_Patate said:
That's rich coming from you lmao.

Ignorant partisans like yourself need to understand that the administration has very little to do with the strength or weakness of the economy, both parties are guilty of cherry picking economy indicators as campaigning points, so fuck them, but people like you need to stop being so fucking brainwashed and educate themselves.

Economy is in the shitter? Inflation in the US is lower than pretty much anywhere else on the planet simply because our economy is stronger than pretty much anywhere else. The economy grew 2.6% last quarter, exports were up, consumer spending was up, and unemployment is low. Our economy is doing ok, and if you think it's in the shitter now, you're in for a rude awakening once it actually deteriorates.. Which is only a matter of time, but again will have little to do with whoever is in office by then.

let me guess. gas prices are russia's fault too right?

Lol you kids these days always think you know everyhting.

INFLATION IN THE USA IS LOWER but it's still at an all time high lol great comparison dude. our economy is stronger than anywhere despite two negative quarters in a row this year. lololol. yea dude strong.

CONSUMER SPENDING IS UP BECAUSE EVERYTHING COSTS MORE lolol
 
14478167:VTshredder69 said:
let me guess. gas prices are russia's fault too right?

Lol you kids these days always think you know everyhting.

INFLATION IN THE USA IS LOWER but it's still at an all time high lol great comparison dude. our economy is stronger than anywhere despite two negative quarters in a row this year. lololol. yea dude strong.

CONSUMER SPENDING IS UP BECAUSE EVERYTHING COSTS MORE lolol

"LOL UR ALL KIDS EVEN THO I'M YOUNGER THAN U!!" - VTshredder
 
This is why I never make "the economy" the deciding factor in my voting. The economy ebbs and flows in often unpredictable ways because there are often so many factors coming into account. In my opinion, we need a country with strong social programs that is resilient to economic fluctuations and helps average people keep afloat during economic downturns, and regulations that cut back on risky investment behavior by large banks and corporations that can lead to a lot of normal people losing their money, as well as protections for the working conditions and wages of workers.

**This post was edited on Nov 10th 2022 at 10:38:28am

**This post was edited on Nov 10th 2022 at 10:39:20am
 
14478155:skierman said:
Nah. Its just funny to see someone say the stock market isn't higher than it was 2 years ago and claims it crashed when its still over 6,000 points higher than it was 2 years ago.

And the kid is pretending like Republicans haven't used the stock market as an indicator for how well the economy has been doing for the entire time Trump was president.

Its hilarious how little he knows about economics.

Big swing and a miss.
 
14478167:VTshredder69 said:
let me guess. gas prices are russia's fault too right?

Lol you kids these days always think you know everyhting.

INFLATION IN THE USA IS LOWER but it's still at an all time high lol great comparison dude. our economy is stronger than anywhere despite two negative quarters in a row this year. lololol. yea dude strong.

CONSUMER SPENDING IS UP BECAUSE EVERYTHING COSTS MORE lolol

Gas isn't a domestic issue either, gas has gone up across the world, and more so in other countries than the US. It's a layered problem with a few root causes, and on top of that intermediaries exacerbating the issue for political and financial reasons. Very little to do with the US president.

This is another example of you ignorantly believing that the US president is responsible for everything that happens globally.
 
14478193:Monsieur_Patate said:
Gas isn't a domestic issue either, gas has gone up across the world, and more so in other countries than the US. It's a layered problem with a few root causes, and on top of that intermediaries exacerbating the issue for political and financial reasons. Very little to do with the US president.

This is another example of you ignorantly believing that the US president is responsible for everything that happens globally.

So Biden's "no more drilling or fracking" bill has no effect on prices? Especially when the USA has enough oil to be self sustainable?

Good lord man lets try to think outside the box for once.

You realize that we are depleting the emergency reserve while continuing to restrict oil companies from drilling on public land like Alaska right?

Keep calling me ignorant while you literally are spewing nonsense ...
 
14478165:Monsieur_Patate said:
That's rich coming from you lmao.

Ignorant partisans like yourself need to understand that the administration has very little to do with the strength or weakness of the economy, both parties are guilty of cherry picking economy indicators as campaigning points, so fuck them, but people like you need to stop being so fucking brainwashed and educate themselves.

Economy is in the shitter? Inflation in the US is lower than pretty much anywhere else on the planet simply because our economy is stronger than pretty much anywhere else. The economy grew 2.6% last quarter, exports were up, consumer spending was up, and unemployment is low. Our economy is doing ok, and if you think it's in the shitter now, you're in for a rude awakening once it actually deteriorates.. Which is only a matter of time, but again will have little to do with whoever is in office by then.

shut up you stupid frenchie baguette. go queef in a gutter.
 
I think you shits need to start blaming the oil companies rather than politicians for gas prices, cuz the oil fat cats are the ones manipulating prices, politicians are just the pawns funded by them
 
14478219:CrunnchyPissFart said:
I think you shits need to start blaming the oil companies rather than politicians for gas prices, cuz the oil fat cats are the ones manipulating prices, politicians are just the pawns funded by them

Lol. when oil companies are not being granted new permits from the US Government to drill untapped oil wells - lets blame those oil companies.

Hahhaa. Good one man
 
14478219:CrunnchyPissFart said:
I think you shits need to start blaming the oil companies rather than politicians for gas prices, cuz the oil fat cats are the ones manipulating prices, politicians are just the pawns funded by them

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14478193:Monsieur_Patate said:
Gas isn't a domestic issue either, gas has gone up across the world, and more so in other countries than the US. It's a layered problem with a few root causes, and on top of that intermediaries exacerbating the issue for political and financial reasons. Very little to do with the US president.

This is another example of you ignorantly believing that the US president is responsible for everything that happens globally.

NOOOO BUT BIDEN
 
14478220:VTshredder69 said:
Lol. when oil companies are not being granted new permits from the US Government to drill untapped oil wells - lets blame those oil companies.

Hahhaa. Good one man

maybe that's our sign as a species to stop relying on oil. save for automotive uses cuz EVs take just as much oil to produce a battery. but if we go renewable for industry and residential power we could cut down gas prices like fuckin crazy

supply and demand. less oil for industries that don't really need it, more for industries that do. logically that cuts down prices
 
14478209:VTshredder69 said:
So Biden's "no more drilling or fracking" bill has no effect on prices? Especially when the USA has enough oil to be self sustainable?

Good lord man lets try to think outside the box for once.

You realize that we are depleting the emergency reserve while continuing to restrict oil companies from drilling on public land like Alaska right?

Keep calling me ignorant while you literally are spewing nonsense ...

This is such a weird talking point.

If I'm not mistaken the goal is to stop drilling by 2035.

Biden at the same time has had more permits pushed for drilling in 1 year than trump did. So much so that conservancy groups are mad about it lol.

Biden’s runaway drilling approvals are a spectacular failure of climate leadership,” said Taylor McKinnon at the Center for Biological Diversity. “Avoiding catastrophic climate change requires ending new fossil fuel extraction, but Biden is racing in the opposite direction.”

During Biden's first year in office so far, BLM has approved an average of 333 drilling permits per month. That figure is more than 35% higher than Trump's first year in office, when BLM approved an average of 245 drilling permits per month.

Aren't there something like 8000 approved permits sitting out there right now?
 
14478228:CrunnchyPissFart said:
maybe that's our sign as a species to stop relying on oil. save for automotive uses cuz EVs take just as much oil to produce a battery. but if we go renewable for industry and residential power we could cut down gas prices like fuckin crazy

supply and demand. less oil for industries that don't really need it, more for industries that do. logically that cuts down prices

agreed. move on to nuclear energy. it's the only way forward that's sustainable and actually gives us the energy that we need.
 
14478235:SteezyYeeter said:
agreed. move on to nuclear energy. it's the only way forward that's sustainable and actually gives us the energy that we need.

AGREED.

idk why so many liberals are so against nuclear energy, nuclear is so fucking effective and efficient, there's so much anti nuke propaganda out there that paints nuclear waste as being dangerous green goop that's gonna spread and destroy everything.

like nuclear waste is literally just a small container of radioactive material in a barrel of lead and cement, its very unlikely for it to breach

storage can be a logistical challenge but its better than cleaning up a fucking oil spill in the gulf every 2 months
 
14478238:CrunnchyPissFart said:
AGREED.

idk why so many liberals are so against nuclear energy, nuclear is so fucking effective and efficient, there's so much anti nuke propaganda out there that paints nuclear waste as being dangerous green goop that's gonna spread and destroy everything.

like nuclear waste is literally just a small container of radioactive material in a barrel of lead and cement, its very unlikely for it to breach

storage can be a logistical challenge but its better than cleaning up a fucking oil spill in the gulf every 2 months

yeah and the storage is going to be smaller than broken windmills, which do not biodegrade and are SUPER harmful for the environment.
 
14478242:SteezyYeeter said:
yeah and the storage is going to be smaller than broken windmills, which do not biodegrade and are SUPER harmful for the environment.

not to mention wind is barely efficient enough to justify itself
 
14478230:Lonely said:
This is such a weird talking point.

If I'm not mistaken the goal is to stop drilling by 2035.

Biden at the same time has had more permits pushed for drilling in 1 year than trump did. So much so that conservancy groups are mad about it lol.

Biden’s runaway drilling approvals are a spectacular failure of climate leadership,” said Taylor McKinnon at the Center for Biological Diversity. “Avoiding catastrophic climate change requires ending new fossil fuel extraction, but Biden is racing in the opposite direction.”

During Biden's first year in office so far, BLM has approved an average of 333 drilling permits per month. That figure is more than 35% higher than Trump's first year in office, when BLM approved an average of 245 drilling permits per month.

Aren't there something like 8000 approved permits sitting out there right now?

Where do you see this data? because when he entered office he promised to basically stop drilling and fracking. He signed a bill to do so on federal lands.

I have not seen new permits besudes maybe the past 6 months while prices are sky high?
 
14478265:VTshredder69 said:
Where do you see this data? because when he entered office he promised to basically stop drilling and fracking. He signed a bill to do so on federal lands.

I have not seen new permits besudes maybe the past 6 months while prices are sky high?

That's because you hear something on social media and then you blindly believe it, you stupid fuck. "I DID MY RESEARCH!" LOL no you fucking didn't.

"New Data: Biden's First Year Drilling Permitting Stomps Trump's By 34% - Center for Biological Diversity. WASHINGTON— New federal data shows the Biden administration approved 3,557 permits for oil and gas drilling on public lands in its first year, far outpacing the Trump administration's first-year total of 2,658."
 
14478271:skierman said:
That's because you hear something on social media and then you blindly believe it, you stupid fuck. "I DID MY RESEARCH!" LOL no you fucking didn't.

"New Data: Biden's First Year Drilling Permitting Stomps Trump's By 34% - Center for Biological Diversity. WASHINGTON— New federal data shows the Biden administration approved 3,557 permits for oil and gas drilling on public lands in its first year, far outpacing the Trump administration's first-year total of 2,658."

Bahaha so not only is Biden a moron, but now he's a liar too.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...re-drilling-before-elections-heres-his-record
 
14478265:VTshredder69 said:
Where do you see this data? because when he entered office he promised to basically stop drilling and fracking. He signed a bill to do so on federal lands.

I have not seen new permits besudes maybe the past 6 months while prices are sky high?

Imagine believing any politician will do what they “promise”
 
14478122:SteezyYeeter said:
it's not benefiting people in the lower or middle classes... which are the vast majority of the nation.

You could say the same thing about the Economy dating back decades and perhaps a dozen presidential administrations, buddy... you could certainly say it about the Trump economy of 4 years ago which was volatile due to stupid tariff wars with China and which overwhelmingly benefited the already wealthy.

Working class people have been fucked ever since companies started moving their operations abroad during the Reagan administration... The good news is that at least now there are job choices given how low the unemployment rate is, and people can afford to force employers to bargain on their own in some cases.
 
14478140:VTshredder69 said:
I don't call a recession "meh".

I know the biden admin refuses to admit it's a recession, but the term has always been defined as two consecutive quarters of a negative gdp growth.

Interpret as you like.

Even if you use that interpretation, it was followed up by a 2.6% growth rate in Q3, so what gives? Estimates are already expecting Q4 GDP growth rate to exceed 3.5% or perhaps ever 4%

The economy isn't in recession now, it's just not booming. Besides, the GDP growth is not the only metric to determine economic strength... Simply put, you dont have a recession and a 3.5% Unemployment rate. Those things dont add up anywhere outside of a command economy.
 
14478285:PacificRimJob said:
You could say the same thing about the Economy dating back decades and perhaps a dozen presidential administrations, buddy... you could certainly say it about the Trump economy of 4 years ago which was volatile due to stupid tariff wars with China and which overwhelmingly benefited the already wealthy.

Working class people have been fucked ever since companies started moving their operations abroad during the Reagan administration... The good news is that at least now there are job choices given how low the unemployment rate is, and people can afford to force employers to bargain on their own in some cases.

facts
 
14478219:CrunnchyPissFart said:
I think you shits need to start blaming the oil companies rather than politicians for gas prices, cuz the oil fat cats are the ones manipulating prices, politicians are just the pawns funded by them

Yeah, I mean, oil prices have gone up for sure.. some 20% or so... but prices are out to 40% in places.

I'll admit it's not only the oil companies gouging... there are many refineries out of operation right now. Many of them were brought offline during the pandemic (when there was less demand - so good time to do it) for conversion to be able to produce biodiesel - an effort to distance away from crude oil dependency. However, those conversions are expensive, and many of the oil companies are offsetting those conversion costs onto consumers (as expected - that's often how companies usually operate - expansions usually mean price increases)

That's just one factor happening - of course there's also the cascading effect of Russia's oil industry being mostly cut off due to the war and sanctions, as well as the echos of the abrupt surge once people were able to get back on the roads when the pandemic wound down, and OPEC has definitely been playing some tricks to maximize profits as well...

But the fact of the matter is that Biden and the Democrats' policies have not widely contributed to the cost of gas at the pump.

Shutting down Keystone XL is inconsequential, seeing as it is entirely dependent on a foreign source (Canada) and is entirely for an increase in export capacity (XL literally means Export Limited) - it is not for domestic supply and wouldn't even contribute to the system - which is currently under capacity anyway due to Canada's production being slow to catch up to the demand (to analogize: Covid forced us to let the clutch out too quickly while trying to accelerate the car back up to speed... causing the whole supply chain to jerk around unexpectedly and put huge strain on the engine - our economy)

Additionally, fracking and gas production doesn't really contribute to the price at the pump, seeing as natgas isn't what makes gasoline and diesel, but rather is used for cooking, heating, power generation, etc. It's apples and oranges (and the democrats haven't even passed any laws limiting it's expansion - rather they have focused efforts on promoting renewable energy expansion, rather than limiting the fossil fuel industry)

TL;DR: Biden isnt why your gas prices are high. Hell, even the oil industry isn't completely to blame. The global market sets the price - if you don't like it, then blame capitalism, I guess?
 
14478265:VTshredder69 said:
I have not seen new permits besudes maybe the past 6 months while prices are sky high?

It doesnt work as simple as "drill oil, put in car, car go vroom" there is a whole system to it. There are many logjams in the middle, With legal and bureaucratic red tape, with refining, and supply chain issues - some in part to ongoing aformentioned geopolitical crisis.

I mean, there are plenty of permits out there that aren't being taken advantage of simply because they cant even find the labor to do it - lots of roughnecks have changed careers simply because they could. The lack of oil jobs due to demand falling through the floor during the pandemic caused a ton of people to change things around career-wise. The low employment figures are increasing bargaining power for contracts, and so on and so forth. Everything is out of balance and it will take years for things to stabilize

There's a lot at play here. It isnt just "fUcKiNg BrAnDoN sAiD nO OiL aNd NoW mY F450 iS tOo eXpEnSiVe"
 
14478291:eheath said:
you can't just live on both sides here dude haha at least we all know you're trolling

ye i just didn't really want to respond, but i thought i should try to end the convo peacefully.

i actually did agree with what he said though. i don't think we should be outsourcing our jobs to other nations.

**This post was edited on Nov 10th 2022 at 3:24:22pm
 
14478312:CrunnchyPissFart said:
Kinda sick of this thread, I know I can turn notifications off but the discourse has been dogshit tbh

what did you expect when you made the thread? ha
 
14478312:CrunnchyPissFart said:
Kinda sick of this thread, I know I can turn notifications off but the discourse has been dogshit tbh

yeah lol this is the internet, no rational political discourse is going to happen. actually, this is the 21st century, no rationalpolitical discourse is going to happen. also your name in crunchy piss fart.
 
14477850:PacificRimJob said:
Yeah, the only time Ive even seen a democrat represent Utah at a State or National level was when Ben McAdams won a district by like 700 votes or something.

aint to observant or knowledgeable are ya?

cause matheson only repped as a member of the house for a dozen years from 01-13/14

till they gerrymandered the blue dog out
 
14478334:SteezyYeeter said:
yeah lol this is the internet, no rational political discourse is going to happen. actually, this is the 21st century, no rationalpolitical discourse is going to happen. also your name in crunchy piss fart.

No one takes you seriously. That's the issue.
 
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