Vegas: The US is Not Mature Enough for Guns

The inherent problem with the situation is that people can't seem to grasp the fact that this should not be a matter of political discrepancy, rather it should just be looked at as a universal problem with a not so obvious solution
 
Alright so I'm going to throw some opinions and hypothetical out their. Don't get too triggered.

The argument of object x kills people too so we need to ban that is asinine. Let me make a comparison. Nukes don't actually kill people, so any normal country should be allowed to have nukes. That sounds crazy, because even if a nuclear missile doesn't kill anyone by itself, it's only purpose is to destroy and kill. Because of that we do not let certain countries have them and have and possibly will enter into a conflict to remove such objects. The purpose of a gun is to inflict harm. Whether that be a coyote, deer, target or person. That is the purpose of a gun. It cannot be compared to a car or a spoon because they have very different purposes.

Also, the argument that we shouldn't do anything because criminals will get them is a weak argument. The shooter reportedly did not show signs of mental illness and according to what I heard obtained the guns legally. You don't need to ban all guns and I don't think you should. What you could do is make them very expensive and make the penalty for any illegal actions involving firearms very stiff. If someone is on the edge and can easily obtain guns at a relatively low risk, there is nothing stopping them. If they are on the edge but guns are extremley expensive, require a driver's ed like course to get them (lasting for many months before you can actuallty own it and take it home), require biannual checks with criminal penalties for misuse it might just be enough to deter the next mass shooter. We more or less do this for vehicles, why can't we do it for firearms?

Or it might not be enough, but it's worth a shot.

Mental health is an invisible killer that should be dealt with, but we also have to focus on the very physical tool that is used as the weapon of poor mental health.
 
Also I noticed that Jimmy Kimmel called them 'high powered rifles.' Some of what he was shooting might've been .308 which is more powerful, but the typical .223 round isn't "high powered." That's why lots of people don't use .223 to shoot deer. You have to have good placement, while with a .30-06 you don't need the best placement..
 
I feel like a regulation on bump stocks could be a good step. Perhaps making them a class III item?
 
this whole thing is just a non stop parade of erratic dipshits making terrible arguments on both sides. might as well just rename your country "Africa 2.0"
 
13842800:.frenchy said:
lol @ people quoting me. This recent shooting will have 0 affect on guns laws. dont tread.

Yeah because stupid americans like you care more about your toys than the country. "Don't like take my freedoms away!"

God bless us or whatever.
 
13842802:GORILLAWALLACE said:
this whole thing is just a non stop parade of erratic dipshits making terrible arguments on both sides. might as well just rename your country "Africa 2.0"

you might as well go play in traffic
 
13842806:theabortionator said:
Yeah because stupid americans like you care more about your toys than the country. "Don't like take my freedoms away!"

God bless us or whatever.

silent majority, bitch #2A #DontTreadOnMe #YEEYEE
 
13842812:theabortionator said:
#gunsarekewl #omglookatme #smalldickbiggun #yolo

where is the correlation between firearms and small dicks? sorry you have mental problems and can't purchase an assault rifle, you're missing out.
 
13842812:theabortionator said:
#gunsarekewl #omglookatme #smalldickbiggun #yolo

i am disappoint rusty

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13842822:theabortionator said:
Meh, just tired of hearing "Look at me and my guns" every time a bunch of people get shot. #redwhiteandblueeee #thesecolorsdontrun

u don't get it bro, if everyone has guns, nobody gets shot.

ever
 
13842822:theabortionator said:
Meh, just tired of hearing "Look at me and my guns" every time a bunch of people get shot. #redwhiteandblueeee #thesecolorsdontrun

It's interesting how the left tends to constantly tell everyone that they aren't qualified to talk about something because they 'don't know enough about it,' but then when it comes to guns, all gun owners and the NRA know nothing about guns and gun laws and how those laws will affect us. #liberallogic #gunsarescary #whatareballs
 
13842848:milk_man said:
It's interesting how the left tends to constantly tell everyone that they aren't qualified to talk about something because they 'don't know enough about it,' but then when it comes to guns, all gun owners and the NRA know nothing about guns and gun laws and how those laws will affect us. #liberallogic #gunsarescary #whatareballs

Considering I said none of that. It's just a bit fucked to get into the whole "You'll never take ma guns!" "Go freedom!" the day of/the days after massive shooting sprees like this.

And don't play the whole "ermahgerd the liberals are coming!" deal. That's why I hate politics. I just don't see why everyone has to jerk off to their guns in the wake of stuff like this.

Cool, you have guns. Cool, you won't give them up for anything because freedom and stuff. But why the need to talk about it all the time, especially in this situations?
 
13842851:theabortionator said:
Considering I said none of that. It's just a bit fucked to get into the whole "You'll never take ma guns!" "Go freedom!" the day of/the days after massive shooting sprees like this.

And don't play the whole "ermahgerd the liberals are coming!" deal. That's why I hate politics. I just don't see why everyone has to jerk off to their guns in the wake of stuff like this.

Cool, you have guns. Cool, you won't give them up for anything because freedom and stuff. But why the need to talk about it all the time, especially in this situations?

Because everyone else feels the need and feels qualified to talk about them..? Are you drunk
 
13842852:milk_man said:
Because everyone else feels the need and feels qualified to talk about them..? Are you drunk

"This is why we shouldn't have any gun control_________" is different than "Look at me and my guns freeeeeeeedom"

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13842856:theabortionator said:
"This is why we shouldn't have any gun control_________" is different than "Look at me and my guns freeeeeeeedom"

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More like look at their lack of guns and dependence on a police state. lolz
 
13842846:TomWallnuss said:
wow that would be horrible someone steals a hat and doesn't get shot, truly dystopian

wow you that would be horrible if you missed the point of that post entirely. the point is that once you start to let the liberal mentality take hold, it produces cry babies like in the video. and unfortunately a large part of the liberal mentality is focused around "gun control", instead of the actual problems which cause people to snap and kill 59 people.
 
lolololol keep complaining cucks, you crying on the internet won't effect my gun rights thanks to the NRA! #ProudMember #ThisIsNRAcountry
 
13842867:TomWallnuss said:
I hate it when old men in my country snap and kill 59 people with a ballpoint pen

yeah they just use a truck and kill 87. moron

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13842880:coolflash8 said:
yeah they just use a truck and kill 87. moron

**This post was edited on Oct 6th 2017 at 3:16:09pm

Trucks are registered with the government. There are various regulations and standards imposed on sales and manufacturing of trucks to make them legal. You have to take a class and pass a test to drive a truck. I guess people got tired of getting in accidents with negligent semi-truck drivers operating unregulated equipment on public highways and decided to pass some laws to minimize fatalities. Amazing how that can work.
 
13842880:coolflash8 said:
yeah they just use a truck and kill 87. moron

**This post was edited on Oct 6th 2017 at 3:16:09pm

And when these truck attacks happened, the government stepped in and took measures to ensure they would be less likely to happen again in the future. They didn't just say "trucks don't kill people, people kill people". They actually did something about it.
 
13842885:onenerdykid said:
And when these truck attacks happened, the government stepped in and took measures to ensure they would be less likely to happen again in the future. They didn't just say "trucks don't kill people, people kill people". They actually did something about it.

There's no amendment about the right to bear trucks. you arent going to infringe on my second amendment dude, try all you want. pletny of real americans in congress still
 
13842880:coolflash8 said:
yeah they just use a truck and kill 87. moron

**This post was edited on Oct 6th 2017 at 3:16:09pm

It took me a year and a half to get my drivers licence, including a written test, driving test and documented hours . For me to own and use a rifle in Michigan I have to do...nothing. For me to own and use a handgun I have to fill out a permit form and get a background check, the same type of background check any employer does. Just saying
 
13842911:Lonely said:
It took me a year and a half to get my drivers licence, including a written test, driving test and documented hours . For me to own and use a rifle in Michigan I have to do...nothing. For me to own and use a handgun I have to fill out a permit form and get a background check, the same type of background check any employer does. Just saying

it takes about 30 seconds to steal a truck....
 
13842916:coolflash8 said:
it takes about 30 seconds to steal a truck....

And it takes about 4 years to get an education. You should check it out.

Your argument is not very strong if it can be applied to literally anything.

The important thing is anything can be made into a weapon but not all things are made weapons. Are you going to tell me that the purpose of a gun is not to do damage or harm to an object?
 
13842918:Lonely said:
And it takes about 4 years to get an education. You should check it out.

Your argument is not very strong if it can be applied to literally anything.

The important thing is anything can be made into a weapon but not all things are made weapons. Are you going to tell me that the purpose of a gun is not to do damage or harm to an object?

Legally obtaining a license and driving a vehicle is safe. Legally buying a firearm and using it wisely and reasonably is safe. Looks like we agree!
 
13842926:milk_man said:
Legally obtaining a license and driving a vehicle is safe. Legally buying a firearm and using it wisely and reasonably is safe. Looks like we agree!

Absolutely. I was simply pointing out that it is easier to licence and purchase a gun than it is a car. Even though one is a weapon and another is a vehicle.
 
13842928:Lonely said:
Absolutely. I was simply pointing out that it is easier to licence and purchase a gun than it is a car. Even though one is a weapon and another is a vehicle.

Yeah but we're talking about driving a car on public roads with other people. To carry a gun among the public you need training and a permit.

You don't need some sort of certification to buy a car. That would be the logical parallel to saying we should be more strict about selling guns. So it's an interesting analogy but it's not quite what I'd be looking for to try to convince someone of anything
 
Understandable. It's just the whole people comparing cars to guns that I'm not a fan of. Or saying that theyll just find other ways to kill people. It's about how easy certain things make it.
 
13842931:Lonely said:
Understandable. It's just the whole people comparing cars to guns that I'm not a fan of. Or saying that theyll just find other ways to kill people. It's about how easy certain things make it.

Yeah I don't think a lot of these people would pursue other ways of killing people necessarily. This guy could have been way more effective and killed way more people with something other than guns in this situation. But what he did was the simplest way for him to be a psycho so he went with that
 
13842918:Lonely said:
And it takes about 4 years to get an education. You should check it out.

Your argument is not very strong if it can be applied to literally anything.

The important thing is anything can be made into a weapon but not all things are made weapons. Are you going to tell me that the purpose of a gun is not to do damage or harm to an object?

I am a senior in college btw, and they sure as hell are! That's why there are laws in place which make it so not everyone can obtain a firearm
 
13842933:milk_man said:
Yeah I don't think a lot of these people would pursue other ways of killing people necessarily. This guy could have been way more effective and killed way more people with something other than guns in this situation. But what he did was the simplest way for him to be a psycho so he went with that

I'd agree. I guess I think the simplest way could be a made a little less simple. If instead of it taking someone a month to acquire firearms legally, make it take a year. Maybe that would just make it a little less simple and deter the next shooter. Or it might do nothing. I don't have the answers.
 
13842934:coolflash8 said:
I am a senior in college btw, and they sure as hell are! That's why there are laws in place which make it so not everyone can obtain a firearm

Well in michigan you can privately obtain a firearm as long as you are 18. The only enforced law that I've seen heavily enforced is concealed carry. Everything else is pretty lax. That being said I do live in a rural area.
 
hahahaha fucking watertrash hillbillies think that guns are the same as vehicles. anything can kill...food, water, breathing city air... but none of these things are mass manufactured to cause harm/destruction.

I honestly can't tell if america is just a bunch of stubborn kooks that don't know how to argue or if you're actually fundamentally pants-on-head completely fucking retarded.

I'm not anti gun either. it's just that when you hear gun people talk about guns it places all the normal people in the same boat as a bunch of asinine trailer park clowns. but I guess that's the difference between "#1" and the rest of the world... if you believe something then it's automatically true!
 
13842930:milk_man said:
Yeah but we're talking about driving a car on public roads with other people. To carry a gun among the public you need training and a permit.

You don't need some sort of certification to buy a car. That would be the logical parallel to saying we should be more strict about selling guns. So it's an interesting analogy but it's not quite what I'd be looking for to try to convince someone of anything

You can legally carry a gun around in public with no training. I think some sort of safety training should be required to buy a gun. This wouldn't stop mass shooting probably, but there are to many idiots that treat owning a gun like its a game and could use some education, that way everyone that owns a gun is a little more responsible. Something similar to a hunters safety course.
 
13842815:.frenchy said:
where is the correlation between firearms and small dicks? sorry you have mental problems and can't purchase an assault rifle, you're missing out.

As far as I can tell, there's definitely a correlation between being an anxious little bitch and proudly owning an assault rifle as a civilian.

#butmuhfeels #muhsafespace #dootdoot
 
13842933:milk_man said:
Yeah I don't think a lot of these people would pursue other ways of killing people necessarily. This guy could have been way more effective and killed way more people with something other than guns in this situation. But what he did was the simplest way for him to be a psycho so he went with that

I love how no one thought it was suspicious when he legally bought 30+ rifles whiting a month. Like it didn't raise any questions. No one thought of informing the local authorities. I think that's the main issue here. That should be a major red flag, but no one cared. Business is business, I guess...
 
13842966:TheDoughAbides said:
As far as I can tell, there's definitely a correlation between being an anxious little bitch and proudly owning an assault rifle as a civilian.

#butmuhfeels #muhsafespace #dootdoot

I'm sorry you feel that way, I truly am.
 
13842888:.frenchy said:
There's no amendment about the right to bear trucks. you arent going to infringe on my second amendment dude, try all you want. pletny of real americans in congress still

There's also no amendment that specifically gives you the right to bear GUNS either. The 2nd amendment grants us the right to bear ARMS (armaments), which is military weapons and equipment. It does not solely mean guns, but it does not not mean guns. But the 2nd amendment does not grant us the right to own any and all ARMS- many are thoroughly illegal (explosive missiles, poison gas, etc.). Our culture has fallen in love with one specific armament (the gun) and wants the 2nd amendment to pertain to it and protect it. We've deemed some arms to be ok (guns) and some arms to not be ok (poison gas). Therefore, it is thoroughly possible (but not at all probable) that someday guns, like high explosives or poison gas, could be 100% outlawed in the USA and it does not infringe upon anything said in the 2nd amendment. That people are focusing this discussion on guns just shows the amount of mental gymnastics required to justify your love for guns in modern day America. You love your guns and want the 2nd amendment to continue to apply to it.

But, don't assume that I want all guns to be banned or that I hate guns. In fact, it's quite the opposite. I just wish we didn't have to play "Old Testament Mental Gymnastics" with an antiquated amendment written in 1791 that was expressly written for a "well regulated militia" and needs to be parsed and massaged in order to apply to the right to self-defense, which is what it should be and needs to be.
 
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