USA. **** your army



Yeah, troops just LOVE killing civilians.....

And when you deal with stuff like this^^^^^^ every fucking day of the week it can really grind away at you. Not to mention there are almost no insurgents wearing an actual uniform anymore.
 
If it means that you aren't going into an immoral war how is it not honorable. When the leadership of the military acting immorally it's immoral to follow their orders. The moral thing to do is desert.

From your line of thinking the NAZI soldiers who were gaurds at concentration camps were honorable because they didn't desert their country and fellow soldiers.

and by the way i'd bet a lot of money that I'm older than you.
 
ok, well from what i see in the video so far...

the reuters cameramen are with people with guns. Those people with the guns are not associated with the Americans, so they are the enemy. If you're a reporter, and trying to stay alive in a warzone, it's generally best NOT to hang out in the open, with armed enemies. You can't expect to get out that situation alive, as you are now an enemy by association.

It's shocking how efficient and quick they are though. Good training shows in combat. Saw a risk, evaluated the threat, and eliminated it quickly.

 
The more you speak the less respect I have for you
Are you honestly comparing nazi guards at concentration camps to american soldiers? I sincerely feel sorry for you
 
Using the Nazi guards of concentration camps is such a poor example cause if you said no you were thrown in with everyone else in the ovens and gas chambers.

Also, deserting in a time of battle can be severely punished.
 
i'd prefer the poor evaluation ends like this though, rather than leading to this group of enemies ambushing and killing friendly forces.
 
To Mr. Panda^

that is a tv show

but if it's so bad and you're accidentally killing civilians then why be

there why not desert that way you are not in the position of having to

pick out insurgents from civilians because you are not the member of an

invasion force in a foreign country .
 
if only every argument was ended this way, this basically shows that you only see it from your perspective
 
You do know said TV show was based on a real unit, with real people, and there was a book written too?

And deserting used to be punishable by death. If you desert and try to get back into the States the MPs show up, shackle you, and throw you in a military jail which is worse than places like Pelican Bay.
 
you said

"Deserting your country and fellow soldiers is honorable??"

so in you line of thinking it would be dishonorable to a NAZI soldier to desert, because they would be turning their backs on their country and their fellow soldiers.

My point is not the US troops are NAZI like your poor skills of deductions though i meant. The point is when your country and military are committing morally reprehensible acts it is immoral to simply go along. So the honorable and moral thing to do is desert as US soldiers should do (and a few have) when it comes to the invasion of Iraq.
 
"guy just drove over a body""really""ya""haha"
is that normal? you have no argument, now your just being an idiot, try and act your age.
 
Nazi's desert and if found were tortured and killed. I would rather do reprehensible things with the potential for seeing my family again rather than get tortured and thrown into the gas chambers.

Moral yes possibly.... honorable no. Let us say you are your platoon's only medic and desert, what the fuck happens when they get hit by an IED?
 
War is retarded on either side. Yea, we killed more of you're people than you killed of ares, we win. Nobody really wins in a war.

The only war that is really justifiable is when somebody invades you're country and you stand up and protect you're land. Nobody is going to invade america. Unfortunately we keep getting tied up in bullshit wars, losing lives for no reason. You see all those commercials for "unmanning the front lines". Sweet so even more pointless. My robots killed more of you're robots, i win.

Settle it in a chess game, or 3 legged race. Or just smoke a fat peace pipe and work some shit out
 
I'm sure that soldiers know this when they sign up, which should be a deterrent but isn't. Also many soldiers who are in Iraq joined the military knowing that they would fight in Iraq that is just wrong to join an invasion force of a country that posed no threat to the US and to put yourself in the position of possibly killing civilians.
 
thats obvious to you and me, but pro-war people cannot see it that way. they'll read that and think "what the fuck is this retarded faggot saying, lolz, if we didnt go to war the terrorist would win"
 
Has either me or obvious_TROLL said we are "Pro War".... not that I can remember we have. We are just Pro "Support the Troops"... and part of that is understanding the situation these guys are stuck in 24 hours a day.
 
it's a war. No one signs up expecting it to be a moral, do-good party. People are fucking stupid these days. You join the military, you must be willing to kill. If you join the military, then refuse to kill, you should be driving trucks or cooking or something. If you refuse to do that, they can find something else for you. If you simply run away, you should be shot. They may be forced to do what you consider immoral things, but no one forced them to join in the first place.

People need to realize the army isn't a job. It's the ARMY. Armies have been killing people for thousands of years. It's the way it is.
 
How about I kill your dad and drive over him because he was carrying a camera that "looked like a gun" from 1000 ft away
 
You are a weak person then if you would not stand up for whats right at your own expense letting something evil go on and participating in it even if you oppose it is just as bad as perpetrating said evil.

And maybe if your platoon lost its medic it would be forced to go back to base and it would save their lives and the lives of the people on the other side. If all the medics deserted at the beginning of the Iraq war it would have never happened and think about how great that would have been.
 
They would suffer through a lot of intense pain and possibly die..but skibeer would be completely fine with that considering all of our troops are "brainwashed killing machines"
 
You are so naive.

Medics are not doctors.... they just grab a guy and teach them how to patch people up to ship them back to a central field surgery area.
 
ok,

i would normally find some legit argument, and bring up questions and problems with the things you say, i would voice my opinion backed with facts and probably post a video or some article or shit to try to prove you wrong, and then there would be a rebuttal from you where you did the same and it would go on and on.

but im just gonna go ahead, skip that bullshit, and tell you to go fuck yourself. if you can, climb to the top of a tall structure and hurl yourself off it, because the world would be a little bit better without you in it.

thank you, and have a nice day.

-apple of the earth.
 
right there this is exactly what I'm saying what the soldiers did in that video was inhuman.

We shouldn't be there

the blood of every person on either side who dies there is on the hands of the bush administration.
 




WHAT? i CANT HEAR YOU ALL THE WAY DOWN HERE! YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO SPEAK UP! TRY TYPING IN CAPSLOCK OR BOLD LIKE ME!
 
I am absolutely not pro war..i don't believe we should be over there at all and i strongly disagree with how much money we have spent to be there
you don't have to be pro war to support the troops...they are living through hell everytime they leave our boarders..its easy for you and skibeer to judge when your thousands of miles away sitting on your couch...the men and women of the armed forces deserve respect and gratitude from the civilians of the u.s. and its disgusting the way people like you treat them
 
again......IT'S A WAR.

arguing because it's inhumane? It's a war. Of course it is. Something would be wrong if it wasn't inhumane.
 
But they shouldn't be there and by being their they are complicit in the crimes that have been committed there. They all need to leave and any soldier who doesn't is actively participating in an illegal war of aggression that has killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians. They are complicit with the bush administration and their crimes.
 
What I think is funny/sad is religion and war. People that claim they love everyone and stuff. They are the most pro war people out there. The church has driven wars for such a long time.
 
It is easy for me to judge because I would never ever ever ever join the army unless we were being invaded or under threat of imminent invasion. I think the people who join the army to fight in Iraq are wrong and immoral and I do not support them because they are supporting an illegal and evil war.
 
i'd also like to know what people are using as their moral compass here. What determines that these acts are immoral?

And if you say religion or any shit like that, you have clearly never read the bible.
 
Obama is complicit but it is not his fault that we are in the situation that we are in today so I wouldn't put as much blame on him especially because he was against the war at its inception.
 
Really? Bush was awful, and so is obama. People voted for him naively believing he was going to end the war. Now were still sending more and more troops over every day.

The situation is pretty sad.
 
but then you would just desert your unit on a whim because one of them had accidentally killed a civilian because youre a spineless coward
 
My moral compass is that unprovoked and illegal foreign invasions are immoral also that murdering civilians is immoral and that participating in either of these acts is immoral.
 
*COUGH*ISRAEL AND PALESTINE*COUGH*

Be glad that the US doesn't fight like the Israelis. They just level whole cities and towns without blinking an eye. Look at their two "wars" with Egypt. They leveled entire towns where the only thing alive is donkeys, a couple bugs, and the tallest structure is a stack of 3 bricks.
 
oh god yeah, the israelis are ruthless. Maybe we should enlist their help.

I'll never understand why any people would ever want to fight the israelis. You may hate them and want them gone, but they will fucking ruin you.
 
It has nothing to do with cowardice I would again only join the army if there was an imminent invasion or invasion of the US, I doubt that many US soldiers would be killing civilians if the war was happening here. But if there was systematic evil and murder of civilians I would do something about it and if it came to it I would stop supporting or participating in a unit that was perpetrating such acts because of my morals.

I would be willing to fight and die to defend my freedoms and the freedoms of my fellow citizens but i could never condone torture or murder ever. And what makes the war in Iraq so terrible is that the people fighting there are doing nothing to defend our freedom seeing that no Iraq ever threatened to take it away.
 
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