BootySpunk.
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OCCUPY OCCUPY WALL STREET!
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Well that's just your opinion. And there will always be random people at protests that are just there to protest. I never denied that. I'm just saying that most of the people are unified and have come together to try and get some positive changes to happen.
It's not like people needed a good laptop for college or anything.
They probably should have just tried to make it through with a feather, ink, and a scroll.
They probably should have just tried to make it through with a feather, ink, and a scroll.
BootySpunk.
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There are much much cheaper computers that are capable of doing anything you would need for a college class. Most college have computer labs anyways where you can use all the programs you need for your specific major.
So if being able to take notes is your argument as to why these people need a ~$2,000 laptop instead of a much cheaper netbook than that is pretty dumb.
We need more money because we don't know how to live without our macbooks, smartphones, $5 coffee, etc etc.
Just playing devil's advocate.
So if being able to take notes is your argument as to why these people need a ~$2,000 laptop instead of a much cheaper netbook than that is pretty dumb.
We need more money because we don't know how to live without our macbooks, smartphones, $5 coffee, etc etc.
Just playing devil's advocate.
Maybe somebody gave them the laptop as a gift for going to college and incentive to stick it out.
I'm not saying that's the case, I mean I don't know. I'm just saying it's possible that maybe they aren't loaded with money and protesting with no reason.
And for every one hating that they have food and stuff. It's not like everything was set up when this protest started. people that support what these guys are doing are making all of that happen which people shouldn't have such a problem with. If people don't like it don't send any money, support them, go down there, or anything
I'm not saying that's the case, I mean I don't know. I'm just saying it's possible that maybe they aren't loaded with money and protesting with no reason.
And for every one hating that they have food and stuff. It's not like everything was set up when this protest started. people that support what these guys are doing are making all of that happen which people shouldn't have such a problem with. If people don't like it don't send any money, support them, go down there, or anything
BootySpunk.
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Valid point.
.exactly. most of the people protesting are disgruntled middle to lower class individuals who want change. However, you are putting Father Georges words out of context.. he said that for a system of government to retain true freedom, the commonwealth must be wary of their government, and be able to protest. But that doesnt mean he encouraged rebellion. he was one of the main american generals who had to deal with the whiskey rebellion when our country was under governance of the articles of confederation. he sympathised with the rebel farmers to the extent that the articles were far too weak to govern our government and keep our economy afloat but disagreed with their violence
captainEMERICA
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Hello, After reading this thread I would like to contribute some things. Let me first start by saying I am 19 and a college student. I come from a wealthy family and I will graduate from college debt free (Thanks mom and dad!). While keeping this in mind I would like to try to point some things out.
Judging by your "My mom won't let me" comment you are probably in high school. Also if your History teacher is "letting your follow it" in class it leads me to believe that he is picking things that align with his views, and from what we have seen they seem to be pretty far to the left. All of this is fine, in fact while I was in my first year or two in High school while I was forming my own opinions, rather than simple regurgitating what my parents said, I was also influenced by a pretty far left of center teacher. Looking back during those months I said some things that I absolutely disagree with now. What I suspect s that you don't have a very full grasp of the effect of corporations on The United States.
People think that corporations are big nameless faceless entities who's soul purpose is to take money from the middle and lower class and "hoard" it. This is true in the sense that some of the profit stays in retained earning but the vast, vast majority of the money goes back into the company in a effort to grow the company. Do you know what growth means? Growth means jobs for the middle and lower class un-skilled workers and new posions in entry level skilled positions. Now these jobs are not high paying ones. But that what an entry level positions are, low paying. I am not going to get into why that is the way it is because its pretty logical, if you do not under stand please tell me and I will try to explane it to you.
What frustrates most everyone (Myself included) about Occupy Wall Street is the hypocrisy and righteous sense of self entitlement that seems to be a large part of the movement. People need to root themselves in reality. Right out of college you are not going to get a high paying job. You life will probably be really tough because you are in an entry level position. If you cannot find a job in whatever your degree is in bus tables at night. Work phone support for some company at night, cut grass, the options are endless. I truly believe that if you look for a job, not a necessarily a job that you want, but a job, you will find one. But it seems with the Occupy Wall street protesters want to have a mid to high level positions given to them right out of the gate. Those must be earned. Higher education should not be free, it is a service provided and should be paid for. Is tuition getting a little out of hand? Perhaps but the Government should not pay for your degree, particularly with the massive debt we are already in. It seems the OWS protestors do not believe in the "self made American man", and I think at its very root that is what a large portion of this protest is coming from.
In regards to legislation to limit corporate growth, I don't think you understand what the effects of that would bring. You think the market is bad now? Wait until companies can no longer grow at a free rate. Remember all the jobs I talked about from corporate growth? Well they would not be created leading to more unemployment. Corporations bring so much wealth into the economy and limiting their growth will backfire faster than you can say "berkenstock sandals".
To wrap everything up it just seems to me like you are pretty young, impressionable and passionate. All of which is awesome, its an amazing time when you start to think for yourself. But at the same time I don't think you understand fully what you are saying. The repercussions of what you have suggested would be devastating to the economy. I do not want to come off as if I am talking down to you or putting you down. It just seems you are passionate without much direction or enough knowledge of our economic system to understand the effects of your suggestions.
There are lots of elements of this protest. We are only scratching the surface in this thread. However from what you have said I hope you take the time to read this and perhaps it will shed some light on some things or maybe get you thinking in a different direction.
In the words of Winston Churchill:
"If you are not Liberal when you're 25, you have not heart. If you're not conservative when you're 35, you have no brain."
Thank you
Paul Levine
Judging by your "My mom won't let me" comment you are probably in high school. Also if your History teacher is "letting your follow it" in class it leads me to believe that he is picking things that align with his views, and from what we have seen they seem to be pretty far to the left. All of this is fine, in fact while I was in my first year or two in High school while I was forming my own opinions, rather than simple regurgitating what my parents said, I was also influenced by a pretty far left of center teacher. Looking back during those months I said some things that I absolutely disagree with now. What I suspect s that you don't have a very full grasp of the effect of corporations on The United States.
People think that corporations are big nameless faceless entities who's soul purpose is to take money from the middle and lower class and "hoard" it. This is true in the sense that some of the profit stays in retained earning but the vast, vast majority of the money goes back into the company in a effort to grow the company. Do you know what growth means? Growth means jobs for the middle and lower class un-skilled workers and new posions in entry level skilled positions. Now these jobs are not high paying ones. But that what an entry level positions are, low paying. I am not going to get into why that is the way it is because its pretty logical, if you do not under stand please tell me and I will try to explane it to you.
What frustrates most everyone (Myself included) about Occupy Wall Street is the hypocrisy and righteous sense of self entitlement that seems to be a large part of the movement. People need to root themselves in reality. Right out of college you are not going to get a high paying job. You life will probably be really tough because you are in an entry level position. If you cannot find a job in whatever your degree is in bus tables at night. Work phone support for some company at night, cut grass, the options are endless. I truly believe that if you look for a job, not a necessarily a job that you want, but a job, you will find one. But it seems with the Occupy Wall street protesters want to have a mid to high level positions given to them right out of the gate. Those must be earned. Higher education should not be free, it is a service provided and should be paid for. Is tuition getting a little out of hand? Perhaps but the Government should not pay for your degree, particularly with the massive debt we are already in. It seems the OWS protestors do not believe in the "self made American man", and I think at its very root that is what a large portion of this protest is coming from.
In regards to legislation to limit corporate growth, I don't think you understand what the effects of that would bring. You think the market is bad now? Wait until companies can no longer grow at a free rate. Remember all the jobs I talked about from corporate growth? Well they would not be created leading to more unemployment. Corporations bring so much wealth into the economy and limiting their growth will backfire faster than you can say "berkenstock sandals".
To wrap everything up it just seems to me like you are pretty young, impressionable and passionate. All of which is awesome, its an amazing time when you start to think for yourself. But at the same time I don't think you understand fully what you are saying. The repercussions of what you have suggested would be devastating to the economy. I do not want to come off as if I am talking down to you or putting you down. It just seems you are passionate without much direction or enough knowledge of our economic system to understand the effects of your suggestions.
There are lots of elements of this protest. We are only scratching the surface in this thread. However from what you have said I hope you take the time to read this and perhaps it will shed some light on some things or maybe get you thinking in a different direction.
In the words of Winston Churchill:
"If you are not Liberal when you're 25, you have not heart. If you're not conservative when you're 35, you have no brain."
Thank you
Paul Levine
My teacher hasn't pushed us to believe anything. He's pushed us to get involved but never tried to make us believe anything. He's letting us watch the protests so that we can see world evens and see people trying to change that.
I understand that corporations have a lot of jobs. But these days a lot of those jobs are going over seas anyway to other people. A lot of stuff sold here in america isn't even from america so those jobs aren't american jobs. The coporations selling them and getting rich are here making all the money. I mean they have some jobs heard selling things but everything is made somewhere else.
"If you are not Liberal when you're 25, you have not heart. If you're not conservative when you're 35, you have no brain."
I don't get that, that seems kind of dumb
I understand that corporations have a lot of jobs. But these days a lot of those jobs are going over seas anyway to other people. A lot of stuff sold here in america isn't even from america so those jobs aren't american jobs. The coporations selling them and getting rich are here making all the money. I mean they have some jobs heard selling things but everything is made somewhere else.
"If you are not Liberal when you're 25, you have not heart. If you're not conservative when you're 35, you have no brain."
I don't get that, that seems kind of dumb
you can take 10 karma points but that doesn't prove anything or have anything to do with the issues at hand. At least he explained his point of view.
captainEMERICA
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Hello, I don't think your teacher is pushing things onto you. It seems like he has had a large influence on your opinions in regards to OWS and I would venture to guess that his and your's ideals align pretty squarely. I could be wrong but thats besides the point it really does not matter.
Yes, jobs are going overseas. That is a fact. But they have gone overseas because the United States has made manufacturing very expensive in the US. The ideas behind this, e.i. minimun wage, healthcare ect, is a whole different issue that we will try not to dive into. If the regulations on corporations by the government was lower, or ideally virtually none existent, the market would correct itself and reach its natural equilibrium. Am i suggesting anarchy? I am not, but far less regulation than we have now. This would enable the market to work they way it should. The corporations and banks that are "gambling" with people's money and being reckless would fail and would go bankrupt. For example Freddy and Fanny along with Bank of America and Citi Group. The people who had money in that bank would be fine and the government guaranteed student loans would be paid, due to the FDIC. The irresponsible institutions would fail leaving a opening for a more responsible corporations or banks to takes its place. Creative destruction at its finest. Whats so wonderful about Capitalism is that he corrects itself. When it corrects it self does everyone come out on top? Well no, but not everyone can't be winners all the time, thats life.
The video that was posted a few posts after my post, albeit long, is really interesting and sheds some light on the subject that not many people are seeing. At the risk of quoting the video directly: are you anti capitalism, anti government or anti corporations? It seems like you are anti corporations, but that is what I don't understand. Please correct me if I am wrong. How can someone be anti corporations? Please don't say something like they are hoarding the money and not giving back. Because that really does not answer my question, rather thats just listing some vague ideas that, in my opinion, is not the root of the problem.
Thank you.
Paul Levine
P.S. I feel this post is less clear than my first as we divulge into the roots of the problem. Feel free to PM me or ask if I am not being clear or have any questions.
Yes, jobs are going overseas. That is a fact. But they have gone overseas because the United States has made manufacturing very expensive in the US. The ideas behind this, e.i. minimun wage, healthcare ect, is a whole different issue that we will try not to dive into. If the regulations on corporations by the government was lower, or ideally virtually none existent, the market would correct itself and reach its natural equilibrium. Am i suggesting anarchy? I am not, but far less regulation than we have now. This would enable the market to work they way it should. The corporations and banks that are "gambling" with people's money and being reckless would fail and would go bankrupt. For example Freddy and Fanny along with Bank of America and Citi Group. The people who had money in that bank would be fine and the government guaranteed student loans would be paid, due to the FDIC. The irresponsible institutions would fail leaving a opening for a more responsible corporations or banks to takes its place. Creative destruction at its finest. Whats so wonderful about Capitalism is that he corrects itself. When it corrects it self does everyone come out on top? Well no, but not everyone can't be winners all the time, thats life.
The video that was posted a few posts after my post, albeit long, is really interesting and sheds some light on the subject that not many people are seeing. At the risk of quoting the video directly: are you anti capitalism, anti government or anti corporations? It seems like you are anti corporations, but that is what I don't understand. Please correct me if I am wrong. How can someone be anti corporations? Please don't say something like they are hoarding the money and not giving back. Because that really does not answer my question, rather thats just listing some vague ideas that, in my opinion, is not the root of the problem.
Thank you.
Paul Levine
P.S. I feel this post is less clear than my first as we divulge into the roots of the problem. Feel free to PM me or ask if I am not being clear or have any questions.
I think I understand what you're saying. It just seems like they always tax everybody direct. Cigs, gas, everything you buy is taxed massively, so why can't we have more taxes on the corporations. Or whats wrong with a higher minimum wage rate. Things coat more money than they did years ago. That's the reason why the wage went up. Somewhere there was an article about living on minimum wage. IT was about people who can't afford to feed their families working really hard but only at minimun wage jobs. That stuff makes me sad.
I'll check out the video that you were talking about.
I'll check out the video that you were talking about.
captainEMERICA
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Hello, I agree. There is a problem. But the problem is not the corporations. Its the government.
If the Government were to tax corporations even more massively than they do now do you know what would happened? The corporations would pass the taxes right along to the consumer. Prices would rise and corporate revenue go up to pay the tax. In effect a larger tax on corporations would be a tax on the consumer, the lower and middle class people who the people at OWS are fighting for. Government intervention is what got us into this mess and more government intervention like you are suggesting will only make things worse. Again I am not suggesting anarchy, but rather let the free market correct itself and things will work out.
If the Government were to tax corporations even more massively than they do now do you know what would happened? The corporations would pass the taxes right along to the consumer. Prices would rise and corporate revenue go up to pay the tax. In effect a larger tax on corporations would be a tax on the consumer, the lower and middle class people who the people at OWS are fighting for. Government intervention is what got us into this mess and more government intervention like you are suggesting will only make things worse. Again I am not suggesting anarchy, but rather let the free market correct itself and things will work out.
NinetyFour
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Swedens Value added tax is 25%. Thats alot of tax. Why doesnt the government tax big corporations like no tomorrow? The more money a corporation has, the more money they can generate. Theres another guy in here who explains it better. Why did the banks become bailed out? Because they generate money. That kind of thing. It sucks but thats the way it is. Everyone is also not as rich as you believe either. Gotta be careful with that. Theres alot of familys I see that have the boats, the quads, the super duty pickup, campers, snowmobiles, brand name clothes. Sure they look rich, but they're swimming in a dickload of debt. Those people are nothing but trouble. Spending way more money then you will ever be able to pay back is just a bad idea.....
sherwood4099
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Either you went to a shitty high school or you didn't pay attention. And if you don't think OWS is attacking the rich, wallstreet or corporations than you probably are not a part of it because every person I know who is downtown right now protesting is anti big business (which provide jobs in this country and create wealth). Pro higher taxes from rich people (for things they can't afford or want mandated by the government) pro a $20 minimum wage (which is just over vaulting their worth and the work they do plain and simple). And many of those who I know who go to school with me want their educations for free and don't ant to pay their loans. (2 of them are getting degrees in the humantities)
sherwood4099
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The united states has the highest corporate tax rate of any country in the entire world, it drives business away and typically domestic companies that have to pay it pass the difference directly on to their consumers. Increasing taxes on corporations or on the top 5% of earners (who own or run most places of employment) would hire less people if not lay off working class people they couldn't afford anymore. Isn't that the problem right now in the first place that people need jobs and businesses arnt doing well? Not to mention the rich and business's pay most of the taxes already. The top 5% of wage earners account for 40% or more of all income tax. While over 50% of the lower income pay no income tax at all! Mabey we should be broadening the tax base and making others chip in instead of stifeling the economy by taxing job creators and driving business abroad. Fucking hippy
Everyone isn't the same though. I do agree that most people are after the rich. You can't really be greedy and hoarding money if you aren't rich, so yeah they're after the rich, so what?
Idk about 20 bucks but the minimum wage need to go up. Things cots a lot more these days. 7 bucks doesn't go very far.
And the government should make college free. You want people to go to college and get smarter but you have to borrow a lot of money. and like today all these people can't get a job. If they owe a ton of money and have no job, how can they pay it back. Sort of makes it look like their education was a waste and they should have just not borrowed money and done something else.
Idk about 20 bucks but the minimum wage need to go up. Things cots a lot more these days. 7 bucks doesn't go very far.
And the government should make college free. You want people to go to college and get smarter but you have to borrow a lot of money. and like today all these people can't get a job. If they owe a ton of money and have no job, how can they pay it back. Sort of makes it look like their education was a waste and they should have just not borrowed money and done something else.
captainEMERICA
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College education should not be free. If everyone had a college education then the job market would be even tougher. If you want the education you must pay for it. It is a service that requires payment. I will say again: less government will allow the market to function properly and correct it self.
Sorry for the brevity I am on my way to the gym.
Thank you
Paul Levine
Sorry for the brevity I am on my way to the gym.
Thank you
Paul Levine
sherwood4099
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I completely disagree about college being free not everyone is cut out for college and if you are we should be providing more scholarships for kids who can prove through performance they are worthy of the investment. Not free you have to either with grades and performance or by working.
And you've referred to hoarding money serval times. I still have no idea what that means? You can go out and create your own wealth to hoard there is an unlimited amount. It's only a good thing if you have a lot it means you'll buy more stuff in turn supporting business that give people jobs. I think its very misleading of you to act like because some people have millions of dollars they some how are preventing other people from getting the same thing or like there is a finite amount to go around...
And you've referred to hoarding money serval times. I still have no idea what that means? You can go out and create your own wealth to hoard there is an unlimited amount. It's only a good thing if you have a lot it means you'll buy more stuff in turn supporting business that give people jobs. I think its very misleading of you to act like because some people have millions of dollars they some how are preventing other people from getting the same thing or like there is a finite amount to go around...
joshua
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Its called scholarships. College can be free/very cheap if you put the work in to get good enough marks.
So you can either
A: Get a job and work your ass off to pay for a USEFUL degree
B: Get good marks and go to school for cheap
As for those people who graduated with all sorts of debt and no job, while thats no ones fault but their own.
So you can either
A: Get a job and work your ass off to pay for a USEFUL degree
B: Get good marks and go to school for cheap
As for those people who graduated with all sorts of debt and no job, while thats no ones fault but their own.
Ben.
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So kids that are born into poor school districts are supposed to do what? Work to make money and go to college? Then they can't focus on school to get good grades. Get good grades? Then their schoolwork is taking all their time and they can't work. Because this pull yourself up by your bootstraps garbage only goes so far.
Why not? Would kind of help to say more than one word you know?
joshua
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Well yeah I realize for some people it really is impossible/really hard to get into or afford college, but unfortunately thats just how things are. Making college free is pretty much impossible and the costs of doing that would be INSANE.
Also Idk how it is in the states but here in Canada we have programs like OSAP to help low-income families pay for college.
Also Idk how it is in the states but here in Canada we have programs like OSAP to help low-income families pay for college.
Inbred_Redneck
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Completely agree.
And there ARE jobs out there. These kids doing OWM just dont want to work a shitty minimum wage or even a labor job. Well guess what, get off your fucking high horse and get your hands dirty. Shit when i was cutting trees i made $12 a fucking hour and made bank. Now i work in a fab shop part time to pay my way through college and i come home covered from head to tow in grease everyday. And i make $10 an hour.
Dont listen to the media and these OWS cocksuckers, there are jobs out there, you just cant be picky.
And there ARE jobs out there. These kids doing OWM just dont want to work a shitty minimum wage or even a labor job. Well guess what, get off your fucking high horse and get your hands dirty. Shit when i was cutting trees i made $12 a fucking hour and made bank. Now i work in a fab shop part time to pay my way through college and i come home covered from head to tow in grease everyday. And i make $10 an hour.
Dont listen to the media and these OWS cocksuckers, there are jobs out there, you just cant be picky.
You know there are some really smart people that don't do good on the increasingly standardize tests and curriculum that caters to them. Also plenty of kids that are smart and have potential but aren't getting the best grades. They have the strong work ethic to be getting the grades they are. They shouldn't have a chance because they simply aren't as smart as someone else?
They could be plenty smart to do fine and have the drive to do awesome but we should leave them behind because they can't afford college.
They probably deserve to be working at mcdonalds for the rest of their lives anyway right?
"As for those people who graduated with all sorts of debt and no job, while thats no ones fault but their own."
Really? The economy sucks these days. Jobs are overseas, college rates keep climbing, but yeah it's totally there fault that people won't hire them, and it's there fault that college is crazy expensive
They could be plenty smart to do fine and have the drive to do awesome but we should leave them behind because they can't afford college.
They probably deserve to be working at mcdonalds for the rest of their lives anyway right?
"As for those people who graduated with all sorts of debt and no job, while thats no ones fault but their own."
Really? The economy sucks these days. Jobs are overseas, college rates keep climbing, but yeah it's totally there fault that people won't hire them, and it's there fault that college is crazy expensive
Exactly. Happened with pretty much every movement.
The news needs to sell. People don't want to here about normal people pushing for normal things. they want to here about naked girls breaking into stores and people burning things, and homeless dudes, and people yelling.
That's the news everyone gets.
The news needs to sell. People don't want to here about normal people pushing for normal things. they want to here about naked girls breaking into stores and people burning things, and homeless dudes, and people yelling.
That's the news everyone gets.
uhh wow. what an ignorant post. 1. In response to your first paragraph, scholarships are not BASED ON GRADES OR ACT/SAT scores alone. Plus, merit based scholarships are only a FRACTION of scholarships awarded. As I have previously stated, there is also FAFSA which helps kids who come from low income families go to college. And honestly, getting passing grades in high school is about as easy as it gets... if you cant do that you are obviously not putting forth the effort, so why should you be rewarded with scholarships etc???
Like my redneck brother somewhere above me stated, (ill sum it up a bit) working a part time job and going to college is sometimes necessary. there IS something you can do about going to college but having no money, but you are going to have to WORK for it!
College may be expensive, but you know what... ITS DO-ABLE!!! If you have the drive and determination what is stopping you??? Instead of making excuses and complaining about how bad everything is DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! Work hard, go to college, and get to the point in your life where you can be a force for positive change
Like my redneck brother somewhere above me stated, (ill sum it up a bit) working a part time job and going to college is sometimes necessary. there IS something you can do about going to college but having no money, but you are going to have to WORK for it!
College may be expensive, but you know what... ITS DO-ABLE!!! If you have the drive and determination what is stopping you??? Instead of making excuses and complaining about how bad everything is DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! Work hard, go to college, and get to the point in your life where you can be a force for positive change
and get to the point in your life where you can be a force for positive change
These people are trying to be a positive change but everybody is hating on them for no reason.
I got what you were saying and that's cool and all, I just think everyone should be able to go to college. I'm probably gonna have to take out huge loans to go, it's gonna suck. Maybe things will change for the better by then
These people are trying to be a positive change but everybody is hating on them for no reason.
I got what you were saying and that's cool and all, I just think everyone should be able to go to college. I'm probably gonna have to take out huge loans to go, it's gonna suck. Maybe things will change for the better by then
Yeah i definitely see where you are coming from... however there is a difference between asking for change and actually doing something about it.. and it doesnt help that most of the protesters have mislabeled the root of the problem as corporations when in reality its the governments... And I wish we did live in a world where everyone could go to college, but unfortunately that isnt so... Which means that for those of us who have the drive to go to college and better ourselves, we have to pay the cost
sherwood4099
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That's because the things they want wouldn't be positive at all... We are hating on them because they want to take the easy way out accessing other peoples hard earned money and hurting the very companies and people who provide th jobs and incomes for the lower and working class they claim to support. They just want government and other people to give them or mandate what they want.mwhile making excuses as to why it's "impossible" to do it for their selves like millions of other people work and sweat for everyday
Shr3dE
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shadynasty i love your username but i have to say that i really cant stand your closed-minded take on this whole thing. you are fighting for people who don't know how to fix these problems they keep bringing up and most dont even know what the problem is. You have said they are fighting for our country. They aren't. They are protesting because they want better for themselves, not for the government. They only want the government to create more profit for themselves. I agree that college is very expensive and it does suck to pay for, but if the college you want to go to is too expensive then go out and do stuff in your community and try harder and of you succeed in doing this then you will find that the colleges will offer you scholarship money. The top one percent that everyone in the protest is against are the ones that tried their hardest to get to where they are and they are the ones that supply the jobs. Why should people that create jobs and make more money for our country be taxed more. Thats like saying oh you just expanded your business and made 100 jobs, well since your company just expanded we now need to take more money from you. this is taking the money that can create jobs. that is why i for one am against this protest. they are all in the wrong place and want the rich to give up more money in taxes but they also want more jobs. That is a paradox if i've ever heard one.
That's the thing. EVERYONE CAN GO TO COLLEGE.
It's not impossible to go. Scholarships are completely possible. One of my friends is on a full academic scholarship to UNC Chapel Hill and he's from Canada. Work in vs work out. If you don't want to do the work necessary in highschool(which is minimal) then you don't deserve to go to university. Everyone is ABLE to go to college, it's just some people aren't MEANT to.
It's not impossible to go. Scholarships are completely possible. One of my friends is on a full academic scholarship to UNC Chapel Hill and he's from Canada. Work in vs work out. If you don't want to do the work necessary in highschool(which is minimal) then you don't deserve to go to university. Everyone is ABLE to go to college, it's just some people aren't MEANT to.
Anathema
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bla bla bla. capitalism is bullshit when its taken to extremes. im all for people working for a living and not getting freebies, but at the same time, it's kind of fucked up when some people are so filthy rich they may as well be torching bills (and essentially are) and other people are sick and dying. so much for right to life, in america. more like right to be fortunate enough to be born to a reasonably well-off family and hope they can provide you with the opportunity you need so you can make your own choices later in life.
Shr3dE
Member
the fuck are you talking about? I'm not being hostile but im going to tell you that the majority of people on top got there from the bottom. What you just said is a HUGE generalization that isn't true at all. Next time please read up before you post something like that again. being born well-off has nothing to do with it. everyone is different and everyone takes their own path. For example, Steve jobs was adopted into a working class family and look how far he got.