New Rules - Making NSG Better

13119381:casual said:
Seriously....where did these people come from? Hugo....you're brutal. ElBarto....your freedom for the internet warrior bullshit is pathetic. The fact you need an internet forum as an outlet for being funny and trying so hard to cultivate an online persona just basically communicates to everyone that you've no ability to function in the real world.

Is it a coincidence that the handful of obnoxious members are the ones crying about change? Kick these fucking jabronis to the curb, and let's go back to business as usual. Two years from now, when these dweebs 17 year old brothers get laptops for college the next year and discover NS? Ban those clownshoes too.

Fuck ban all noobs. We need noobs. We don't need the other played out, half-baked, half-hearted trolling shenanigans. Ban all clownshoes.

QFE.

13119395:Miomo said:
It's funny because you're trying to act all high and civilized, but you're the one resorting to insults for the sake of argument.

Do you know who you're talking to dude? You've been on here for two years, take a seat. Casual doesn't come out of the woodworks for casual harassment of a thread creator's mother, so you better listen when he says you're acting like a clown.

13119481:.frenchy said:
"Contains unwarranted and direct hate towards other members of the site "

You know those are legitimately the rules copy/pasted from the current "Forum Rules" thread from 2008 in SD, right? C'mon frenchy, I would expect you of all people to know there is nothing new in JD's post besides the OP's mom stuff ;)
 
In my opinion, it would be nice to see some serious threads with serious answers... I think the mods are trying to say that it is alright to have a couple of "OPs mom is a goat" answers to a thread, but I have noticed lately that in the past about 4 months, the level of immature jokes have gotten wayyyyy higher... And the mods are saying that it would be nice to tone it down a bit.

Then again, It is still Summer NSG
 
13119615:Walter.1337 said:
You know those are legitimately the rules copy/pasted from the current "Forum Rules" thread from 2008 in SD, right? C'mon frenchy, I would expect you of all people to know there is nothing new in JD's post besides the OP's mom stuff ;)

Well shit, beg my friggin' pard. I thought they seemed familiar.

But, they weren't enforced as much then? Because I didn't see skiierman getting banned for telling kids to go jump in traffic and shit like that.

With this thread, I'd assume that you will be enforcing the rules a lot harder now? Hence adding a few more mods, and saying how the industry or "content producers" doesn't like looking at "troll posts" on NSG.
 
13119634:.frenchy said:
But, they weren't enforced as much then? Because I didn't see skiierman getting banned for telling kids to go jump in traffic and shit like that.

Skiierman is very much banned from this site forever.
 
13119634:.frenchy said:
With this thread, I'd assume that you will be enforcing the rules a lot harder now? Hence adding a few more mods, and saying how the industry or "content producers" doesn't like looking at "troll posts" on NSG.

Not even! A few people seem to be overreacting to this like we're about to enslave you all. While I wish this was true, we're simply taking a few measures to try and clean things up. Yes, there will be a bit more attention paid to the rules and those that break them, and we are adding to and tweaking a list of rules (from 2008...) to make it both topical to NS in 2014 and to help encourage a more mature environment. NSG has been pretty close to a free-for-all lately and unfortunately a few people took that a bit to far...

**This post was edited on Sep 4th 2014 at 11:00:23pm
 
13119652:Walter.1337 said:
Not even! A few people seem to be overreacting to this like we're about to enslave you all. While I wish this was true, we're simply taking a few measures to try and clean things up. Yes, there will be a bit more attention paid to the rules and those that break them, and we are adding to and tweaking a list of rules (from 2008...) to make it both topical to NS in 2014 and to help encourage a more mature environment. NSG has been pretty close to a free-for-all lately and unfortunately a few people took that a bit to far...

this makes perfect sense. also all the kids making threads about this should be punched.
 
13119658:Bombogenesis said:
I can't wait til Brendan leaves his ns logged in. Harharhar

Where? I log out of NS on my work computer every time I'm done with it. Hell, the only reason I even leave that computer turned on is so that other people can use Adobe when they need to, haha.
 
13119647:WPoch said:
Skiierman is very much banned from this site forever.

Yeah, I know....? Were you even on NS when he was still posting?

13119652:Walter.1337 said:
Not even! A few people seem to be overreacting to this like we're about to enslave you all. While I wish this was true, we're simply taking a few measures to try and clean things up. Yes, there will be a bit more attention paid to the rules and those that break them, and we are adding to and tweaking a list of rules (from 2008...) to make it both topical to NS in 2014 and to help encourage a more mature environment. NSG has been pretty close to a free-for-all lately and unfortunately a few people took that a bit to far...

**This post was edited on Sep 4th 2014 at 11:00:23pm

If you need anyone to bash newbs that go too far just hit me up ;)

And FYI I'm not against the rules or making a petition or anything, I just don't wanna get perma banned lol. Been there a few times already.

13119658:Bombogenesis said:
I can't wait til Brendan leaves his ns logged in. Harharhar

> frenchy goes to clock in at sundown

> sees computer

>BWalmer signed in

> ......

just kidding lol
 
13119675:.frenchy said:
Yeah, I know....? Were you even on NS when he was still posting?

Well you obviously just asked why Skiierman wasn't banned when he posted graphic stuff when he was...

And yes. I joined this site Right after 2011.
 
13119689:Bombogenesis said:
The one time you forget, I'll be there.

Great...now I have to be extra vigilant...I guess that'll suck for the rest of the park crew, haha.
 
13119692:WPoch said:
Well you obviously just asked why Skiierman wasn't banned when he posted graphic stuff when he was...

I didn't ask why he wasn't banned? I talked to him on here as well as facebook, he didn't get banned for hating on a newb his last ban. I think I'd know if he was banned or not lol...

His ban message reads:

Why you were banned: You're done for good man. We unbanned you to see if you could provide some needed comic relief to NSG, but as it turns out you just ruin every thread you post in without an ounce of humor. Good luck in finding a new hobby.
 
13119706:milk_man said:
Eheath has already broken rules in here. If he doesn't take the rules seriously then why should we?

all they're asking is that everyone tones it down a bit. you can still crack jokes and stuff, but the OP's mom shit needs to stop. it's funny on occasion. but when you se it in every thread it gets pretty annoying.
 
13119711:.FRY. said:
all they're asking is that everyone tones it down a bit. you can still crack jokes and stuff, but the OP's mom shit needs to stop. it's funny on occasion. but when you se it in every thread it gets pretty annoying.

Look at all the rules. It's so much more than just the op's moms jokes they want stopped. NS is getting soft
 
13119705:.frenchy said:
I didn't ask why he wasn't banned? I talked to him on here as well as facebook, he didn't get banned for hating on a newb his last ban. I think I'd know if he was banned or not lol...

His ban message reads:

Why you were banned: You're done for good man. We unbanned you to see if you could provide some needed comic relief to NSG, but as it turns out you just ruin every thread you post in without an ounce of humor. Good luck in finding a new hobby.

Where do you see the ban messages ?
 
13119705:.frenchy said:
I didn't ask why he wasn't banned?

"I didn't see skiierman getting banned for telling kids to go jump in traffic and shit like that."

Maybe i'm just stupid and am not understanding what you are trying to say. If that is the case, then i'm sorry lol
 
13119706:milk_man said:
Eheath has already broken rules in here. If he doesn't take the rules seriously then why should we?

He did not break any rules we would regularly enforce.

...chill out guys, we're just saying NO MORE OP'S MOM BULLSHIT. NOT THAT BIG OF A DEAL.
 
13119729:WPoch said:
"I didn't see skiierman getting banned for telling kids to go jump in traffic and shit like that."

Maybe i'm just stupid and am not understanding what you are trying to say. If that is the case, then i'm sorry lol

He is saying that skiierman would say those things daily, hell every few minutes. But 99.999999% of the time he said those things he did not get banned for it. He got away with saying a lot of things
 
13119729:WPoch said:
"I didn't see skiierman getting banned for telling kids to go jump in traffic and shit like that."

Maybe i'm just stupid and am not understanding what you are trying to say. If that is the case, then i'm sorry lol

I was saying whenever skiierman told a newb to kill kill themselves, he didn't get banned for that. He got banned for other stuff, like making fun of a kids mom who had cancer. Or something like that....
 
Well this blew up while I was out. Give me a bit and I'll go through the thread.
 
13119735:SFB said:
thats not how i read it at all.

That's literally the only new rule here. No more OP's mom stupid one line dipshittery or anything else that prevents threads from flowing normally and derails a conversation - this includes 'this thread is now about spiderman' crap. Especially if the topic is a serious one.

We're really just asking you guys to grow up a LITTLE TINY EENSY WEENSY BIT.
 
13119448:Gnartron said:
The fact of the matter is that there is a total of 5 members who consistently have come out against this, the majority of NS members are simply complacent coupled with many who want to see at least some change

Little correction... Theres about 5 members FOR the changes. the rest are against. Plz advize

13119453:TRVP_LVRD said:
Nope. Sorry but you are wrong. Quite the oppposite actually. The only people requesting change are the mods, the interns, you, and Casual. Every other member is satisfied with the current website.

Yup

13119460:TRVP_LVRD said:
Maybe. I was going off of the current opinions I have gathered from the NSG.

Pwned

13119472:Gnartron said:
And that right there is the problem

What Are you talking about?
 
13119747:DingoSean said:
That's literally the only new rule here. No more OP's mom stupid one line dipshittery or anything else that prevents threads from flowing normally and derails a conversation - this includes 'this thread is now about spiderman' crap. Especially if the topic is a serious one.

We're really just asking you guys to grow up a LITTLE TINY EENSY WEENSY BIT.

i agree that spiderman isnt funny, but i will always enjoy a good chortle about OPs mother.
 
Whatever. I could not give any fucks if they want to change the rules or not. Not going to effect me.

I think i'll just lurk in Media and Arts from now on
 
Make a troll forum category just for trollin, calling people chodes and making fun of ops mom. that's the only reason many people come on to NS, at least that's what I see in the threads. If NS tightens up on the rules we might as well go on Pinterest.
 
all i can say is good luck, nsg is going to be a hard beast to tame. privileged white males seem to lack general social skills these days...
 
13119776:dingus said:
Make a troll forum category just for trollin, calling people chodes and making fun of ops mom. that's the only reason many people come on to NS, at least that's what I see in the threads. If NS tightens up on the rules we might as well go on Pinterest.

worst idea I've ever heard since Mingg's NS competition
 
Yeah... Um... Well... Um....

it doesnt speak well towards your argument mods if in order to win you have to delete my posts because they cut too deeply into the issue. But i appreciate the flattery!
 
13119747:DingoSean said:
That's literally the only new rule here.

So far. I mean if people have other suggestions (including mods, since we're the ones having to act as janitors for this place) as to how to improve the level of discourse on this board, they'll be considered.

The point of this exercise is to get peoples' input as to how to accomplish the goal, which is to make NSG less of a shitshow. Not squeaky clean, because it never has been and never will be that, but just a little bit less bullshitacular.

Again, we - and by we I mean Doug, it's his call, though we were generally in agreement with him - have decided that's what we to strive for here. Saying "I disagree, you should run your website a different way" isn't really helpful. That decision has already been made. If that's what you really feel, go forth and make your own skiing website. But if you'd rather participate in the slightly less stupid version of this forum, you can have a voice in how that gets accomplished if you want it.

I've just had to delete like 30+ posts in here so hopefully we've got that straight now and can get some more input from people.
 
13119795:J.D. said:
So far. I mean if people have other suggestions (including mods, since we're the ones having to act as janitors for this place) as to how to improve the level of discourse on this board, they'll be considered.

The point of this exercise is to get peoples' input as to how to accomplish the goal, which is to make NSG less of a shitshow. Not squeaky clean, because it never has been and never will be that, but just a little bit less bullshitacular.

Again, we - and by we I mean Doug, it's his call, though we were generally in agreement with him - have decided that's what we to strive for here. Saying "I disagree, you should run your website a different way" isn't really helpful. That decision has already been made. If that's what you really feel, go forth and make your own skiing website. But if you'd rather participate in the slightly less stupid version of this forum, you can have a voice in how that gets accomplished if you want it.

I've just had to delete like 30+ posts in here so hopefully we've got that straight now and can get some more input from people.

The NS shitshow is the best part of NS
 
None of the rules in the op are unreasonable. I don't get why everyone is so butthurt. It's not like what was being posted was actually that funny. If anything it's annoying.
 
13119799:dingus said:
The NS shitshow is the best part of NS

Maybe to the 20 or so people bitching right now, but to most of us, and to most of our potential new members in the future, it is the scourge of NS...
 
I honestly think there is a catastrophic misunderstanding of what makes ns great.

The type of person that skis park well is something of an ubermensch in my view. In order to spin, take off switch, s/u on rails etc, it requires a level of coordination and athletic ability that is much higher than that required for most sports. Hence why i think there are alot of nietsches overmen on this website; because this is a hangout for really good skiiers.

Because these ns members are to start with much more interesting people than the avg losers on facebook, youre really biting the hand that feeds you if you try to censor these people.

ns has the bench, all they really need to do is let it fly.

Just over a week ago there were multiple threads by relative newcomers saying they were completely addicted to ns.

Why the fuck do you think that is?

Because ns is a place for polite discussion where people have to dress up and disguise their emotions and sentiments to make sure they dont hurt anybodies feelings?

Or is it because ns has the perfect combination seen in very few internet forums, that being talented interesting people engaged in unfettered discourse?

i think its the latter personally as does everybody in this forum except for those who donated and wanted to feel as if they had some authority here.

honestly, do you really think people are gonna stay on a site where everybody just gets bullied effectively by those who donated?
 
13119801:DingoSean said:
Maybe to the 20 or so people bitching right now, but to most of us, and to most of our potential new members in the future, it is the scourge of NS...

Not really... The only thing i would say is that people should be a little nicer to new members so as to not scare them away. Everytime ive name changed ive gotten shit from certain people who thought i was new. But they were all losers with no clue how long ive actually been on ns so it didnt matter
 
I've been on NS since 2005 so to some people on here that makes me a newb but to many more I've been around forever. I've got a few observations on the site over the past almost decade.

-First, let me say that of my total time spent on NS, probably 80% of it was spent in the first three years (when i was in high school). Since then, I still come on, check, and occasionally post but i used to post maybe five times a day and now I probably post three times a month. I think the biggest reason for my tapering off over the last 9 years is you just kind of outgrow the site. The culture of the site, even when i first joined, was serious and entertaining discussion mixed with hilarious trolling and some bullshitting. I think the biggest difference between then and now is if you open up a thread from say 2006, 8/10 posts are serious and the other two are off topic outrageous attempts at a laugh. Now you have the absolute inverse of that. Someone posts a legit topic for discussion and he gets one genuine response followed by eight kids in jr high making dick jokes.

I think there are a lot more people on here that provide serious content than there are immature trolls but the issue is volume. if 3/4 people post legit content and 1/4 posts off topic bullshit but the trolls make 10 times as many posts, whenever you open up a thread, the majority of it is gonna be "Spiderman! Dildos! OP's MOM!" etc. Just look at this thread is an example. there are probably equal numbers of people on both sides of the rule change issue but there are way more posts from the five dudes who are vehemently opposed to it. A good analogy would be the tea party. a small number of very loud and outrageous right wing nut jobs has made the whole republican party look like theyve lost their minds.

I am really not super invested in this site anymore so this suggestion will likely be met with vitriol from the peanut gallery but its just an idea to try and quell some of the useless post whoring. On the Gawker Media sites (gawker, deadspin, jolapnik, etc) they comments are gray colored until they are recognized as like approved or certified posters. people can still read the comments but its kind of like are signatures here, everyones eyes are just drawn to the darker content. so on those sites you can read the gray comments if you want but most people focus on the approved commenters input because its darker. I think this would be a tool NS could use, ie, something similar. Either a mod could turn off topic trolling comments gray or it could be used as a softer version of a ban: if someone is posting tollworthy content that isnt bad enough for a ban, they get turned gray. if trolls persist with their trolling, it could lead to a subculture of grayness in threads but at least it would separate the immature children from people who are interested in having a somewhat on topic discussion.

This is just my two cents. when i log back in to the site in probably over a week i anticipate my karma will be lower but whatever.
 
I think this is a good try, but I dont think in practice these rules will work that well.

People will always make OPs mom jokes, although not funny, it's embedded into the site.

Not moderating B/S/T isn't the best idea, just pop over there once and a while checking stuff out.

im not hating, im just suggesting that the rules could be changed a little bit.

revolver ocelot
 
13119854:Railersailer said:
I think this is a good try, but I dont think in practice these rules will work that well.

People will always make OPs mom jokes, although not funny, it's embedded into the site.

Not moderating B/S/T isn't the best idea, just pop over there once and a while checking stuff out.

im not hating, im just suggesting that the rules could be changed a little bit.

revolver ocelot

please stop
 
13119849:sniper_6 said:
I've been on NS since 2005 so to some people on here that makes me a newb but to many more I've been around forever. I've got a few observations on the site over the past almost decade.

-First, let me say that of my total time spent on NS, probably 80% of it was spent in the first three years (when i was in high school). Since then, I still come on, check, and occasionally post but i used to post maybe five times a day and now I probably post three times a month. I think the biggest reason for my tapering off over the last 9 years is you just kind of outgrow the site. The culture of the site, even when i first joined, was serious and entertaining discussion mixed with hilarious trolling and some bullshitting. I think the biggest difference between then and now is if you open up a thread from say 2006, 8/10 posts are serious and the other two are off topic outrageous attempts at a laugh. Now you have the absolute inverse of that. Someone posts a legit topic for discussion and he gets one genuine response followed by eight kids in jr high making dick jokes.

I think there are a lot more people on here that provide serious content than there are immature trolls but the issue is volume. if 3/4 people post legit content and 1/4 posts off topic bullshit but the trolls make 10 times as many posts, whenever you open up a thread, the majority of it is gonna be "Spiderman! Dildos! OP's MOM!" etc. Just look at this thread is an example. there are probably equal numbers of people on both sides of the rule change issue but there are way more posts from the five dudes who are vehemently opposed to it. A good analogy would be the tea party. a small number of very loud and outrageous right wing nut jobs has made the whole republican party look like theyve lost their minds.

I am really not super invested in this site anymore so this suggestion will likely be met with vitriol from the peanut gallery but its just an idea to try and quell some of the useless post whoring. On the Gawker Media sites (gawker, deadspin, jolapnik, etc) they comments are gray colored until they are recognized as like approved or certified posters. people can still read the comments but its kind of like are signatures here, everyones eyes are just drawn to the darker content. so on those sites you can read the gray comments if you want but most people focus on the approved commenters input because its darker. I think this would be a tool NS could use, ie, something similar. Either a mod could turn off topic trolling comments gray or it could be used as a softer version of a ban: if someone is posting tollworthy content that isnt bad enough for a ban, they get turned gray. if trolls persist with their trolling, it could lead to a subculture of grayness in threads but at least it would separate the immature children from people who are interested in having a somewhat on topic discussion.

This is just my two cents. when i log back in to the site in probably over a week i anticipate my karma will be lower but whatever.

The whole troll issue is just silly. I actually never troll but i get people calling me a troll all the time. I made a thread about being able to neutralize drugs with chemical reactions and some losers jumped in immediately saying i was trolling. Are you kidding me? Like you cant handle that discussion so you just call me a troll? Its just stupid... People who call you a troll bc they cant even...
 
13119861:Dolan.Escobar said:
The whole troll issue is just silly. I actually never troll but i get people calling me a troll all the time. I made a thread about being able to neutralize drugs with chemical reactions and some losers jumped in immediately saying i was trolling. Are you kidding me? Like you cant handle that discussion so you just call me a troll? Its just stupid... People who call you a troll bc they cant even...

See? It's annoying when your thread's derailed by bullshit isn't it. This is exactly what we're trying to cut down on.
 
13119864:DingoSean said:
See? It's annoying when your thread's derailed by bullshit isn't it. This is exactly what we're trying to cut down on.

Then what the hell is a mod doing giving me a temp ban for trolling when i was being completely fucking earnest
 
13119870:Dolan.Escobar said:
Then what the hell is a mod doing giving me a temp ban for trolling when i was being completely fucking earnest

I don't know the situation at hand. Perhaps ask that mod why you were temp banned?
 
13119864:DingoSean said:
See? It's annoying when your thread's derailed by bullshit isn't it. This is exactly what we're trying to cut down on.

Also, it seems to me that the ppl crying troll are the ones most disenfranchised by ns in its current state. In my opinion trolling is minimal on ns. Ive seen it much worse on other forums. And yeah if a troll is stupid, call it out. If a troll is funny let it be. But for the love of god if your too inept to appreciate a post, dont call it a troll because of your own shortcomings
 
13119882:DingoSean said:
I don't know the situation at hand. Perhaps ask that mod why you were temp banned?

The message said summer vacation for trolling.

It wasnt even close to being a troll. I was being flat out honest
 
13119885:Dolan.Escobar said:
Also, it seems to me that the ppl crying troll are the ones most disenfranchised by ns in its current state. In my opinion trolling is minimal on ns. Ive seen it much worse on other forums. And yeah if a troll is stupid, call it out. If a troll is funny let it be. But for the love of god if your too inept to appreciate a post, dont call it a troll because of your own shortcomings

Do you think for even a second that maybe you were in the wrong? I mean, take it up with the mod who banned you and maybe you'll get an explanation. I can't really help you out right now.
 
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