13035807:Ralph_Swaggum said:
The coalition didnt quite cause it. what happened was a war, the removal of a dictator who kind of stabilized things and then a civil war that was almost bound to happen regardless of whether Saddam fell from foreign or domestic influences.
What is happening right now though, is entirely Iraq's fault. Their corrupt military + Syria plus a government despised by many is what has resulted in todays problems.
Iraq has been American/British/Polish/Canadian/etc... free for 3 years. THey're fighting raghead savages without much military training.
Well, firstly, invading and occupying the entire country instead of just quietly removing Saddam and his two sons was a recipe for disaster from the get-go. A couple of former Ba'ath party members, whose names I forget, would have made very suitable replacements for Saddam, especially considering they were surprisingly still around at the time of his removal. That's how it should gave gone down - a quiet hit by the SAS, instead of essentially declaring war on the entire country and turning it to rubble.
So, secondly, if you do choose the latter and to invade the nation and remove it's stabilizing power, which the coalition did, you'd better damn well make sure you're replacing whatever you removed with some sort of structure, which the US and UK did NOT do. That turned Iraq from an already hollow state into a fully-fledged hollowed out state, giving way for all these rebel factions and militias to fight for power and control. The inter-religious warring had obviously been going on far before the coalition intervention, but as psychopathic and murderous as Saddam and his regime was, these groups were mostly and relatively kept in line, which was a function of his framework, albeit shady, that he gave Iraq. It is now a free for all, precisely because of the removal of that structure.
Additionally, most of these prominent militias and terrorist organizations didn't even exist until the coalition occupation. Al Qaeda was pretty much non-existent; ISIS certainly didn't exist; basically a vast amount of these organized extremist Sunnis weren't functioning as agenda driven groups, that is until they were given the opportunity to do so by the removal of their governing power.
The almost irreparable current crisis over there really is Bush and Blair's fault, and the expiration and obliteration of Iraqi infrastructure and society and culture can be traced directly back to their brutal and callous involvement. It's even more sickening how they're trying to absolve themselves from guilt and responsibility, when realistically they should both be at the Hague.
