Mosul, Iraq, captured by ISIS
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las.
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I'm not sure what's funny about what I wrote, but anyone with half a brain and a very basic understanding of general history will know what I wrote is true. People from the East were the first to have universities that practised science by use of facts and logic. An Arabian alchemist laid the foundations for modern chemistry. An Islamic mathematician gave us the first books on algebra and algorithms, and also popularized the use of Hindu-Arabic numerals we use today. A Persian philosopher gave us the Canon of Medicine. An Iraqi polymath gave us Optometry. Etc, etc. In other words, they were once well ahead of the West in intellectual progress. Like I said, civilizations rise and fall; it's the circle of life. Once again, there's no reason for Iraq or any of it's neighbours to not restore themselves to their former glory
cobra_commander
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I don't get want the relevance of your post is?
What happened 1000 years ago happened 1000 years ago. The rest of the world decided to move out of the middle ages. The Islamic world is racing its self back.
What happened 1000 years ago happened 1000 years ago. The rest of the world decided to move out of the middle ages. The Islamic world is racing its self back.
vailsux.com
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13028253:las. said:
Its kind of a circle of life, sort of sad really. Sure islam had its golden age, but it ain't coming back. All those great scientists were hunted down, their universities destroyed, and their work undone. Science lost. Who is going to fight to bring back heresy?
cobra_commander
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13028361:VinnieF said:
Look at the data on violence, bombings, deaths, etc. by month from July 2003 to Dec 2011.
Look at when Al-Qaeda in Iraq started to get big, when they were competing with JAM. What was ISIS's presence in 2010 and 2011 compared to where it is now?
las.
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13028339:Q.McBrew said:
Don't underestimate the will of the Iraqi population, especially after what they've endured for all those years. Who would've thought that 8 or so years ago they would just turn on Al Qaeda and say "no, we've had enough of this ridiculous sadism, enough is enough". Also, science will always beats pseudo science
LiquorLanch
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Iran is sending soldiers to intervene.
The actual aim is to probably give their soldiers combat experience...
The actual aim is to probably give their soldiers combat experience...
BravoWhiskey5280
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Im all for letting these sandy bastards wipe each other out over something so dumb like religion. Im not saying religion is dumb fyi, its just dumb to fight over. The problem though is that you liberals in this country won't let us become self sufficient on our own resources so we have no other option but to intervene. Shit gas is gonna sky rocket because of this and if the ISIS gets south of Baghdad than were really fucked.
Theres that and the fact that this could very well start WWIII. Especially if the US decides to intervene, which means we'd be fucking allies with Iran of all countries. If that happened than all eyes would be on Saudi Arabia who will ultimately have the final say in how big this thing escalates into. The King of Saudi Arabia is 90 years old so he's on his way out. Depending on what he wants his final act to be or what his succorer is like in terms of his politics, Saudi Arabia could very well retaliate against Iran for helping the Shiites in Iraq. Iran, being a country heavily dominated by Shiite muslims, is Saudi Arabia's rival because Saudi Arabia is 90% Sunni FYI. Thats something very important to know when looking at this whole situation.
Iran will never allow ISIS or any Sunni's for that matter control Iraq after what they went through with Sadam. Plus the country on their opposite border is pretty much controlled by Sunni Al Qaeda and Taliban members so theres no way Iran will allow themselves to be put in that sort of situation.
This sucks because I, as Im sure many of you, feel that the ISIS won't go down without a fight to the death. Diplomatic resolutions seem like a very far fetched solution here. With that, Iraq probably will be three different countries this time next week.
Theres that and the fact that this could very well start WWIII. Especially if the US decides to intervene, which means we'd be fucking allies with Iran of all countries. If that happened than all eyes would be on Saudi Arabia who will ultimately have the final say in how big this thing escalates into. The King of Saudi Arabia is 90 years old so he's on his way out. Depending on what he wants his final act to be or what his succorer is like in terms of his politics, Saudi Arabia could very well retaliate against Iran for helping the Shiites in Iraq. Iran, being a country heavily dominated by Shiite muslims, is Saudi Arabia's rival because Saudi Arabia is 90% Sunni FYI. Thats something very important to know when looking at this whole situation.
Iran will never allow ISIS or any Sunni's for that matter control Iraq after what they went through with Sadam. Plus the country on their opposite border is pretty much controlled by Sunni Al Qaeda and Taliban members so theres no way Iran will allow themselves to be put in that sort of situation.
This sucks because I, as Im sure many of you, feel that the ISIS won't go down without a fight to the death. Diplomatic resolutions seem like a very far fetched solution here. With that, Iraq probably will be three different countries this time next week.
BravoWhiskey5280
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The ISIS is no joke and are super organized. They're represented by dozens of countries, including many in Europe. It was reported that there are as many as 500 Brits fighting with the ISIS. They also break there platoons in to what countries there members are from so all those Brits are fighting together. This should scare the shit out of Europeans because this allows them to organize while in Iraq or Syria and then meet back up in the home countries. They also became the richest terrorist organization in the world pretty much over night through some huge bank heist I guess.
BravoWhiskey5280
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And to top it all of, the most revered shiite cleric who hasn't expressed a political opinion in 20 years, pretty much just declared Jihad against the sunni's.
DERS.
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13028694:WoldsWorld said:
funny you bring up the fossil fuel industry and its shortcomings blame it on the "liberals," when big oil spends about $350 million in lobbying, most of which goes to republican candidates, to receive in return $20 billion in federal subsides. Spark Notes: big oil controls congress and in effect prevents any progressive progress, by forcing their republican puppets to act in their interests.
WWIII... yeah no.
theBearJew
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Let them kill each other.
BravoWhiskey5280
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The oil companies lobbying for Republicans has to do with us being dependent on foreign resources via liberal policies. I think you're confused there bud. Oil companies would love to drill here and build things like the keystone pipeline. They can't though because of the fetish liberals have with putting red tape over everything because you've all have become brain washed by some absurdly false data composed by bureaucracies like the EPA. Its the liberals that are solely to blame for our dependency on foreign oil and that's a fact.
BravoWhiskey5280
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If you liberals let us access our on resources than are role as a major player in the middle east wouldn't nearly be as big as it is today. I find it comical when you lefties blame Bush for our problems in the middle east. Yeah sure he may of gone to war in Iraq over oil, but it was your policies that forced him to do it. I can't blame the guy for trying to save our economy. You guys of course don't care about the economy though so I understand where your bias comes from. I mean as long as the government is subsidizing your income or giving you food stamps than who gives a shit about the economy right?
cobra_commander
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This is getting off topic but...
The US is a net energy exporter.
The price of energy is only going up. It makes sense to buy others energy now at the current price and then sell them ours at a higher price latter. It is immature thinking to tap our energy resources now so that we can buy energy from other countries at a higher price now.
The 'drill baby, drill' mantra was more about being abrasive than it was about common sense.
The US is a net energy exporter.
The price of energy is only going up. It makes sense to buy others energy now at the current price and then sell them ours at a higher price latter. It is immature thinking to tap our energy resources now so that we can buy energy from other countries at a higher price now.
The 'drill baby, drill' mantra was more about being abrasive than it was about common sense.
BravoWhiskey5280
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13028739:cobra_commander said:
That's not why liberals don't want to drill though. They don't want to drill because they've been brainwashed.
Huck_Norris
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13028747:WoldsWorld said:
Bahahahahaha... I just lost it so hard. From "Teh Liburulz made Bush blow the biggest economic lead we've ever had because we weren't drilling for enough oil!" to "can't blame him for trying to save our economy" the part when I got to "Liberals are brainwashed" I seriously lost it so fucking hard. You owe me a new keyboard motherfucker.
There really is no hope for you retards. The facts are there and yet, you ignore them in favor of the most twisted-logic fairytale imaginable because it lets you confirm your prejudices in a nice neat little package. It really is impressive the mental gymnastics you must have to go through to make all those conclusions- each with completely different and totally conflicting logic- and make them all arrive at your complete bullshit destination. It's actually impressive that there are enough people who are that mentally weak that this school of thought has a real following.
.frenchy
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13026291:Granite_State said:
Typical kid from New Hampshire hahahahaha. go listen to some more grateful dead and wear some tie dye dude.
100% agree with you Barto, we're gonna end up getting down voted though because 95% of the kids on here are liberals thanks to mommy and daddy.
We gotta go back to Iraq!! I'm joining the infantry this year and i wanna fuck some iraqi's up c'mon!!
BravoWhiskey5280
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13028752:Huck_Norris said:
Bhahaha that's funny because I feel the same way about any retarded argument you make as well! You can call me a troll all u want because I really don't give a fuck. I realized a long time ago that arguing with a liberal is like arguing with a brick wall so I don't let it get to me. I mean I've tried to understand some of the logic behind your party. But after seeing that logic continually make this country a big hole of shit for the past six years i just simply gave up. have fun convincing yourself that your Obama Utopia is a good place though. I just expect better, a lot better.
BravoWhiskey5280
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13028752:Huck_Norris said:
And if you wanna talk facts, than your retarded ass would realize that your king Obama actually blew the biggest dent in our economy in terms of debt in the history of the US. Nice typical liberal response blaming Bush though. You guys will eventually wake up and realize that you have to start blaming yourself for your mistakes.
Charlie_Kelly
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13028786:.frenchy said:
Whatever that is supposed to mean...lol. At least my state isn't a complete piece of shit like Ct.
And I'm a Libertarian who forms his own opinions,guess mommy and daddy have you watching the Fox Five and Bill O'Reilly every night. Sad really.
Charlie_Kelly
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13028786:.frenchy said:
Also sounds like you are in full support of putting more soldiers lives at risk. What a patriot you are!
BravoWhiskey5280
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On a side note, Bin Laden himself said that US could actually eliminate jihad if we really wanted to. He said we'd just have to the patience to which we obviously don't. O agree with him to. The minute we stop fighting extreme Islam is the minute it starts growing again. So apart of me feels like we should just keep fighting cause if we don't than were inevitably going to have to in the future when shit hits the fan again.
BravoWhiskey5280
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Sorry for all my typos by the way, I'm trying to type of my cell phone and I suck at it.
cobra_commander
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It will be easier to bomb ISIS training camps in eastern Syria and North West Iraq than it was to bomb Al-Qaeda camps in Afghanistan.
That's the 'good' news.
That's the 'good' news.
BravoWhiskey5280
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13028829:cobra_commander said:
I wish we could gather all the extreme islamist in the world and drop a big ass nuke on them. Seriously though, I dont give a fuck how inhumane some of you may think that'd be. Terrorist don't deserve humanity. Man that would make life easier.
Huck_Norris
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13028812:WoldsWorld said:
Why do you keep referring to me like I'm a fucking liberal? I'm not. I just hate bullshit. I can't fucking stand Obama and I've voted Republican almost every time except this last one because Romney fucking sucked dick as a candidate.
And no- Obama got handed a shitshow- which he has handled like shit for sure, but it's still pertinent because it was fucked from the second he stepped into office. When Bush walked into office, we had a SURPLUS you fucking moron. We were in the clear. We were killing it. BUT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. He fucked us over COMPLETELY and did it 100% by his own design, and in so many different sectors it will take generations to figure out just how bad he fucked us. So yes, Obama is a weak leader. Bush however, took us from a great place and threw us down the fucking toilet because he'd rather suck billionaire's dicks than keep this country healthy and ahead of the game.
Seriously kid, get your head out of your ass. Or go fuck yourself. Either will do and I don't care which you choose.
Huck_Norris
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13028809:WoldsWorld said:
Are you talking about when Bush took our country- which was projected to stay in a surplus for the forseeable future- and plummeted us into tax code hell, perpetuated a war that lost us trillions based on falsities and misinformation and then deregulated the Banking, Loan, and Wall Street sectors resulting in all three of their collapses on top of all that?
I feel like you should be but you aren't and it's sad. It's like you know nothing about what has actually happened, but you think you do because a man on the TV told you a story you couldn't be bothered to verify before you swallowed.
Come with numbers, facts and evidence from now on child. Your Aesop's Fables style tales from Rush aren't getting you anywhere but embarrassed.
.MASSHOLE.
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I honestly am not shocked at all with this. I would not be surprised if this happened in Afghanistan in 10-20 years down the line either. While I was never happy about the Iraq war, I always believed it was wrong to pullout until they were firmly on their feet, and I feel the same way about Afghanistan. Unfortunately, politicians do not.
Mr.Huck
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It's pretty funny how ridiculous some of the posts are in this thread. As far as invasions go, whether you are for them or against them, they don't get any better than the invasion of Iraq. It was quick and the number of American casualties were minimal.
Our military definitively proved that a small, well trained and maneuverable force is highly effective in an invasion. Once the enemy forces have been neutralized, you move into a different phase. You are no longer an invasion force, you are an occupation force. An occupation needs way more people than an invasion force, because they are a peace keeping force. They have to guard and secure facilities.
We got an A+ on our invasion and a D- on the occupation. Security forces weren't moved in quick enough and with enough numbers to secure weapons stores and other facilities. We paid dearly for that mistake, because all those weapons were converted into IEDs and used on our troops.
The blame for that falls completely on the shoulders of Rumsfeld for continuing to insist on keeping the occupation force small, despite what all the ranking officers were saying; and on George Bush for going along with Rumsfeld. If the transition from invasion force to occupation force had gone smoother and the occupation force had been significant enough, we would not be discussing this now.
As to topic, whether you agree that the U.S. should have invaded Iraq or not, allowing what is happening to continue is like pissing on the graves of all the soldiers who died there.
I hate Monday morning quarterbacks, but the thing I hate worse is when leaders are in denial about a crisis and are incapable of seeing an obvious way out. This has happened under the past 2 administrations.
Our military definitively proved that a small, well trained and maneuverable force is highly effective in an invasion. Once the enemy forces have been neutralized, you move into a different phase. You are no longer an invasion force, you are an occupation force. An occupation needs way more people than an invasion force, because they are a peace keeping force. They have to guard and secure facilities.
We got an A+ on our invasion and a D- on the occupation. Security forces weren't moved in quick enough and with enough numbers to secure weapons stores and other facilities. We paid dearly for that mistake, because all those weapons were converted into IEDs and used on our troops.
The blame for that falls completely on the shoulders of Rumsfeld for continuing to insist on keeping the occupation force small, despite what all the ranking officers were saying; and on George Bush for going along with Rumsfeld. If the transition from invasion force to occupation force had gone smoother and the occupation force had been significant enough, we would not be discussing this now.
As to topic, whether you agree that the U.S. should have invaded Iraq or not, allowing what is happening to continue is like pissing on the graves of all the soldiers who died there.
I hate Monday morning quarterbacks, but the thing I hate worse is when leaders are in denial about a crisis and are incapable of seeing an obvious way out. This has happened under the past 2 administrations.
.frenchy
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13028813:Granite_State said:
I was implying that pretty much all of NH is liberal hippies, how do you not understand that?
I'm aware my state is a piece of shit, that's why I plan on moving south like my neighbors just did. But the NW part of CT isn't a piece of shit compared to all the cities and shit in the rest of the state.
13028815:Granite_State said:
I fully support killing the sand people that don't like the way I live. that's pretty much all there is to it. I'd put my life at risk any day to fight for my countries freedoms. Fuck you.
Huck_Norris
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13028933:.frenchy said:
Nobody's stopping you from putting your money where your mouth is, fwiw.
Charlie_Kelly
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13028933:.frenchy said:
Lol liberal hippies. You realize Connecticut is as much a blue state (that means democratic btw)as NH right? So you are just as much a "liberal hippie" as I am.
And those "sand people" aren't threatening your countries freedom you chode. They never have been and they never will. That false sense of patriotism is quite funny in people like you. "Whew, those towel heads who don't have the capability of assaulting America are threatening our freedom! Lets get those bastards!!!" I lol at people like you.
.frenchy
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13029001:Huck_Norris said:
Lol im going to a recruiter this winter
13029002:Granite_State said:
Yes, many parts of CT are liberal. I happen to live in the country of CT that mainly votes republican.
And I said "I fully support killing the sand people that don't like the way I live" Aka terrorists... Jesus, I did NOT say anything about the average people of Afghanistan. We went there to get the fucking terrorists, not the farmers/regular people who live there, you chode.
Lol at "people like me" all you fucking want. I really couldn't care less. Like at all.
Charlie_Kelly
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13029018:.frenchy said:
You cared enough to respond...
You realize there is probably more "country republicans" in NH than CT lol. Having lived in both states I can say that confidently.
And those terrorists crashed 4 planes killing almost 3,000 people. Hardly threatening our freedom. I vicious attack no doubt but I would be just as free as I am today even if we didn't respond at all.
But whatever, I'll still respect you if you enlist and go fight for our country, but thats about all the respect I have for an ignoramus like yourself.
Dr.Dealgood
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13028933:.frenchy said:
First off, your profile says you live in Granby. Granby is NO WAY UNDER THE SUN considered true NWC. Litchfield County is the NWC. Hartford County, is Hartford County.
Dr.Dealgood
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13029367:.frenchy said:
It's lines in the sand, but I grew up in Litchfield County and we always took the county to be the end all be all of NWC. Call it hometown pride. I grew up in Warren/Cornwall area. We would have called Granby north central or just Hartford County. But it's whatever.
.frenchy
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13029385:Dr.Dealgood said:
Lol I know what you mean, I'm in NWC more than I am in hartford county, i go to school in winsted and spend alot of time in winchester, barkhamsted, and work in new hartford. all in northwest CT. I don't like being refered to as hartford country, Fuck Hartford.
13029387:las. said:
Insecure thug? That's honestly pretty funny, and yeah... I'm getting picked on at school because it's not like it's been summer vacation for 2 months or anything.... Do you wanna know my plans for when I'm older? Join military so I have enough money to buy a bass boat and try to become a professional bass fisherman. AAAAYYYY
Bodhisattva_
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13028933:.frenchy said:
Yeah, and tell me exactly how much your freedom has been inhibited by these "sand people" having a different view on life than you?
And is that what people do these days? Anyone who doesn't like the way they live just gets killed off?
'Merica!
God damn I bet the military sure is glad there is enough brainwashed idiots out there to field an infantry force. Because God knows all the people who think like you aren't smart enough to do anything except follow their CO's orders and run and point their gun.
.frenchy
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13029403:Thizzle. said:
You do know I was talking about the Taliban/ Al Qaeda right? I mean I already explained it, is it that hard to read a thread?
Taliban... does not like the west... and our freedoms... so they try to blow us up and cause terror.... it's a pretty simple reason to not fucking like the Taliban.... Hahahahaha.
las.
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13029390:.frenchy said:
The way you're talking about joining the army and your strange and disturbing hopes of killing your fellow human being so casually makes you come off as very insecure and thuggish, and I can imagine that barbaric way of thinking is only going to cement itself and blossom once you surround yourself with people who act and think the same way. Who and what do you actually think you're fighting for if you were to go over to the middle east? That's a legitimate question, I'm just curious if you even understand what the authentic purpose of an occupation over there, that you would be a part of, would be.
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13029415:las. said:
LEAVE HIM ALONE HE IS FIGHTING THOSE DIRTY SAND FOLK THAT ARE TRAMPING ON OUR FREEDOMS AND MAKING US SO UNFREE IN AMERICA
(When in reality the ones sending him to fight are the biggest detriment to our freedom)
And your life plan sounds like it hasn't changed since you were 12. You might want to put some real thought in to your future.