Mosul, Iraq, captured by ISIS

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No not Archers ISIS, the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, a bastard child of al-Qaeda. ISIS has been fighting in Syrria for years and carved out a nice chunk of it for themselves, now their venturing into Iraq and crushing the outgunned Iraq security forces. They've captured a good chunk of Iraq and Mosul, the second largest city. This is just really sad, all the lives lost and time spent trying to make something outa the Iraq invasion, and now its all going to shit again. Also make's me a bit mad, I know the situation was terrible and pulling the troops out made sense, but the Iraq security forces did clearly not have proper training/command/infrastructure and all the other things that caused it to collapse like a wet tissue paper when it came up against ISIS. Now these poor fucks are gonna be rounded up and executed by some twisted extremist, if they haven't already ditched all their gear like half the damn force by now. Its depressing to think the same things probably gonna happen in Afghanistan.
 
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No not Archers ISIS,
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This should be a reminder of why its stupid to try and "save" the Middle East. Much like people who watch Fox News, they're too far gone and cannot be helped.
 
13026184:Huck_Norris said:
This should be a reminder of why its stupid to try and "save" the Middle East. Much like people who watch Fox News, they're too far gone and cannot be helped.
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I don't think their too far gone, the majority of people don't wan't to be ruled by some extremists like ISIS. If the invasion of Iraq hadn't been totally fucked from the start it could have worked. Imagine if they had talked and worked with the Iraqy army, instead of disbanding it and leaving thousand of trained Iraqi soldiers with no jobs (heelloo insurgency) and then pissing the whole population off by killing civilians, and the all the Blackwater bullshit. The current Iraq security force is just garbage, giving them some Humvee's,rifles and slapping a uniform on em doesn't make them soldiers.
 
13026196:macinnis said:
I don't think their too far gone, the majority of people don't wan't to be ruled by some extremists like ISIS. If the invasion of Iraq hadn't been totally fucked from the start it could have worked. Imagine if they had talked and worked with the Iraqy army, instead of disbanding it and leaving thousand of trained Iraqi soldiers with no jobs (heelloo insurgency) and then pissing the whole population off by killing civilians, and the all the Blackwater bullshit. The current Iraq security force is just garbage, giving them some Humvee's,rifles and slapping a uniform on em doesn't make them soldiers.
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What would you have changed about the invasion? Bush handled it as well as any president could have. We were just attacked by those sandy bastards and we had to fight back. Invading Iraq the way we did was the only sensible option
 
13026224:El_Barto. said:
What would you have changed about the invasion? Bush handled it as well as any president could have. We were just attacked by those sandy bastards and we had to fight back. Invading Iraq the way we did was the only sensible option
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what are you talking about kid...? when did iraq "those sandy bastards" attack the US? you ignorant fuck, we're not talking about afghanistan here. if you recall, you were prolly 5 yrs old at the time but, the us invaded iraq in early 2003 when the us and uk claimed iraq had WMD's, despite the UN weapon inspectors stating they had disbanded their nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons programs in the 90's. further there was a belief that Sadam was harboring al'Qaeda which is possible, but no evidence was ever found to support that claim. the war was entirely bush and cheney's aggression as they bypassed congress, did not ever declare war, and used the rally around the flag effect to convince enough ignorant people that Sadam posed a threat to the US interests to support the war. the Iraq war not a "sensible option," it was a hawkish mistake, and exemplifies why people around the world generally dislike americans, and hate our government.
 
13026241:DERS. said:
what are you talking about kid...? when did iraq "those sandy bastards" attack the US? you ignorant fuck, we're not talking about afghanistan here. if you recall, you were prolly 5 yrs old at the time but, the us invaded iraq in early 2003 when the us and uk claimed iraq had WMD's, despite the UN weapon inspectors stating they had disbanded their nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons programs in the 90's. further there was a belief that Sadam was harboring al'Qaeda which is possible, but no evidence was ever found to support that claim. the war was entirely bush and cheney's aggression as they bypassed congress, did not ever declare war, and used the rally around the flag effect to convince enough ignorant people that Sadam posed a threat to the US interests to support the war. the Iraq war not a "sensible option," it was a hawkish mistake, and exemplifies why people around the world generally dislike americans, and hate our government.
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I was 16 when we invaded to defend our freedom. What would you have done? Just let those towers come down and not fight back?

Youre whats wrong with america. You and all the other liberal tree huggers.
 
13026284:El_Barto. said:
I was 16 when we invaded to defend our freedom. What would you have done? Just let those towers come down and not fight back?

Youre whats wrong with america. You and all the other liberal tree huggers.
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Oh stop your trolling please. At least in here.

I think this is exactly what was going to happen the minute we pulled out (and like you said we should have never entered). I'd rather sit back and watch the middle east tear itself to shreds than risk any more American lives over there.
 
13026291:Granite_State said:
Oh stop your trolling please. At least in here.

I think this is exactly what was going to happen the minute we pulled out (and like you said we should have never entered). I'd rather sit back and watch the middle east tear itself to shreds than risk any more American lives over there.
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Im not trolling. The Iraqi people are lucky we invaded when we did. Do you know how many innocent civilians we saved from being murdered by muslim extremists. And look, once we are gone people start dying again for no reason. America invading was the best thing that could have happened to those ungrateful savages and you liberals are too stupid to realize it.

If anything we should send troops back to make the country peaceful again.
 
13026284:El_Barto. said:
I was 16 when we invaded to defend our freedom. What would you have done? Just let those towers come down and not fight back?

Youre whats wrong with america. You and all the other liberal tree huggers.
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13026298:El_Barto. said:
Im not trolling. The Iraqi people are lucky we invaded when we did. Do you know how many innocent civilians we saved from being murdered by muslim extremists. And look, once we are gone people start dying again for no reason. America invading was the best thing that could have happened to those ungrateful savages and you liberals are too stupid to realize it.

If anything we should send troops back to make the country peaceful again.
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So you say we invaded to defend our freedom and then you say we invaded to save innocent civilians? It's clear you are trolling, you are a troll, that's what you do. At least try to be clever.
 
13026302:Granite_State said:
So you say we invaded to defend our freedom and then you say we invaded to save innocent civilians? It's clear you are trolling, you are a troll, that's what you do. At least try to be clever.
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13026302:Granite_State said:
So you say we invaded to defend our freedom and then you say we invaded to save innocent civilians? It's clear you are trolling, you are a troll, that's what you do. At least try to be clever.
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I never said we invaded to save innocent civilians...that was just a benefit of the invasion
 
13026308:El_Barto. said:
I never said we invaded to save innocent civilians...that was just a benefit of the invasion
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So then what was the point of invading Iraq? It wasn't to protect our freedom. Was it to find WMD's that never actually existed over there?
 
13026314:Granite_State said:
So then what was the point of invading Iraq? It wasn't to protect our freedom. Was it to find WMD's that never actually existed over there?
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Saddam was a piece of shit and needed to die. America cannot be free if we have to worry about our foreign interests being fucked with by shit heads like him. The war was to maintain our freedom and payback
 
13026314:Granite_State said:
So then what was the point of invading Iraq? It wasn't to protect our freedom. Was it to find WMD's that never actually existed over there?
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They existed, it's just a fair amount of it wasn't actually in weapon form, or it was exported to Syria right before the invasion....

But this is bad, because the Jihadis in Syria are very likely to ply their trade worldwide now. this is because the jihad in Iraq and more so, Syria, is comprised of people from all over the world, building contacts and networking.

Essentially the Caliphate could stand a chance of coming back, something that has not existed for ages.
 
We had Iraq all but sewn up. If we had not left prematurely for political brownie points this shit would not have happened.

2012-2014 has been much like 2003-2005. The removal of the stabilizing power with various tribal and religious factions competing for power and security.

Unfortunately the American people never came to terms with what it would take to remove Sadam and install a stable and relatively pro west government.

Issues lie with SecDef Rummi and his crew of morons being utterly inept to President Obama wanting nothing to do with the war and opting for the easy and popular option.

It also does not help that most Americans have no real concept of Islam as an idiology and how fucked and complicated it is.
 
13026346:cobra_commander said:
We had Iraq all but sewn up. If we had not left prematurely for political brownie points this shit would not have happened.

2012-2014 has been much like 2003-2005. The removal of the stabilizing power with various tribal and religious factions competing for power and security.

Unfortunately the American people never came to terms with what it would take to remove Sadam and install a stable and relatively pro west government.

Issues lie with SecDef Rummi and his crew of morons being utterly inept to President Obama wanting nothing to do with the war and opting for the easy and popular option.

It also does not help that most Americans have no real concept of Islam as an idiology and how fucked and complicated it is.
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Isnt a huge part of the problem also a result of the fact that our plans for Saddam's fall did not really pan out...if they even planned well for a country devoid of critical infrastructure and a conscripted and deeated army out of work?
 
13026284:El_Barto. said:
What would you have done? Just let those towers come down and not fight back?
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You actually think the invasion of Iraq was linked to 9/11?
 
13026224:El_Barto. said:
What would you have changed about the invasion? Bush handled it as well as any president could have. We were just attacked by those sandy bastards and we had to fight back. Invading Iraq the way we did was the only sensible option
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First off, stop the rampant growth and corruption of the Private Military Company's involvement in Iraq (Hey look at that, no Baghdad shooting, and possibly Fallujah wouldn't have turned into an entire city of insurgents). Don't put people who have huge connections to company's who are being given military contracts in charge of handing out said military contracts. Use all the muns not being siphoned away to fund legit reconstruction stuff. Also approach the Commanders of Iraq's army as soon as it was over, try to work things out. In general try to be nicer to the population. Whoo captain hindsight's here
 
13026685:El_Barto. said:
Like there is a difference between the two
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Iraq is a single sovereign nation.

Al Qaeda is a global organization with with individual members/groups operating out of multiple countries all around the world.

Big difference. But you're a troll so you'll say I'm wrong anyway.
 
13026314:Granite_State said:
So then what was the point of invading Iraq? It wasn't to protect our freedom. Was it to find WMD's that never actually existed over there?
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It was for the liberation of Iraq, or at least that's what it ended up being. I usually never support any type of war or physical force to solve an issue, but in the extreme case of Iraq and Saddam Hussein, it was time that that appalling situation which had lasted decades was brought to a close. Don't get me wrong; there were blunders and momentous fuck-ups and an immense amount of money completely wasted, and of course many innocent lives lost, but Saddam and his empire were removed, and I think the bush administration deserves more credit for that than they're getting.
 
13026908:las. said:
It was for the liberation of Iraq, or at least that's what it ended up being. I usually never support any type of war or physical force to solve an issue, but in the extreme case of Iraq and Saddam Hussein, it was time that that appalling situation which had lasted decades was brought to a close. Don't get me wrong; there were blunders and momentous fuck-ups and an immense amount of money completely wasted, and of course many innocent lives lost, but Saddam and his empire were removed, and I think the bush administration deserves more credit for that than they're getting.
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true, Saddam did attempt genocide at one point on his own people, and they did plenty of fucked up things. BUT, he helped keep the region stable to an extent
 
The bbc quotes the Isis from their twitter account saying they won't stop these blessed invasions or something. what I want to know is why they have twitter and who the lead tweeter of their group is. Doesn't that seem so odd to anybody else?
 
13026941:DrZoidberg said:
The bbc quotes the Isis from their twitter account saying they won't stop these blessed invasions or something. what I want to know is why they have twitter and who the lead tweeter of their group is. Doesn't that seem so odd to anybody else?
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Dude the Islamic extremist groups are all on the social media, of course they have a twitter. If you got to their website's you can find some lovely video's of them executing people too.

Here's the latest video of them on youtube, showing off all the cool stuff they got from Mosul, including what looks like a couple friggin M777 howitzers. And their on their way to Baghdad now..fucking christ

 
13026929:Ralph_Swaggum said:
true, Saddam did attempt genocide at one point on his own people, and they did plenty of fucked up things. BUT, he helped keep the region stable to an extent
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It wasn't an attempt, he did successfully commit genocide against his own people. The Anfal campaign caused an estimated 180,000 deaths, during which Saddam used chemical weapons against the city of Halabja in one of the most awful attacks of its kind. It was a straight up purge of the Kurdish "problem" from Iraq. That's a pretty clear-cut case of genocide, and only a fraction of the terror and fear he caused and spread during his reign too, which, might I add, is not what I would consider as helping to keep a region stable. He, and his fascist regime, absolutely 100% needed to be removed. Pure, unadulterated evil.
 
13027270:Spss said:
Saddam had it coming
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I've been reading up lately on this sort of proposal and what it implies. Hannah Arendt gives some accurate insight. She raises the question about whether evil is radical or just a by-product of thoughtlessness; radical evil being evil so evil it basically continues it's cycle, willingly or unwillingly, until it eventually destroys itself. It's made its point, there's nothing else to prove, but it's so committed to what it's doing it just can't stop, almost as if it's consciously developed an appetite for it, even if it knows it will in the end bring repercussions. It's weird, trying to get into the mind of sadists and evil and breaking down their thought processes. Slightly off topic, but w/e - fascinating subject, Immanuel Kant is another one to check out
 
13027229:macinnis said:
Dude the Islamic extremist groups are all on the social media, of course they have a twitter. If you got to their website's you can find some lovely video's of them executing people too.

Here's the latest video of them on youtube, showing off all the cool stuff they got from Mosul, including what looks like a couple friggin M777 howitzers. And their on their way to Baghdad now..fucking christ

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So they're broadcasting their next moves and equipment over the internet? Impeccable military strategy, although the Iraqi army doesn't seem like they're trying to stop them.
 
13027224:deadbabies said:
how cute, barto is trying to have an intelligent discussion. stick to idiotic, empty comments bud
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Youre a dumbfuck along with everyone who responded to me
 
13027337:DrZoidberg said:
So they're broadcasting their next moves and equipment over the internet? Impeccable military strategy, although the Iraqi army doesn't seem like they're trying to stop them.
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This is why I have stopped caring what happens to Iraq. We cannot stay there forever and they will NEVER be ready to stand on their own. Honestly if they STILL need a babysitter, maybe they should call Saudi Arabia. Wee need to go- Iraq's parents said they'd be home by 9pm and that was like 5 years ago. We've got shit to do.
 
13027344:Huck_Norris said:
they will NEVER be ready to stand on their own.
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Just over 1000 years ago, Baghdad was the intellectual centre of the world, predominantly for science. Civilizations and cultures and empires rise and fall, and to say so confidently that Iraq won't and can't function independently, or even rise back to the great heights it was once at is not only short- and narrow-sighted, but plain untrue. They obviously have a long way to go, though.
 
lol well there goes all of our efforts to try and make Iraq a stable country. We only spent around $3 trillion on that country so its totally chill.
 
13026224:El_Barto. said:
What would you have changed about the invasion? Bush handled it as well as any president could have. We were just attacked by those sandy bastards and we had to fight back. Invading Iraq the way we did was the only sensible option
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Hahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha haha ha his entire administration even admitted they Photoshop and lied about information. Then they went in on the basis of some guy that no other intelligent agency in the world thought was reliable. Now were still having the effects of that war to this day. The Bush administration handled that so poorly and it could have been done better. But that being said more troops have died under Obama's watch than George Bush.
 
13027434:zzzskizzz said:
Hahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha haha ha his entire administration even admitted they Photoshop and lied about information. Then they went in on the basis of some guy that no other intelligent agency in the world thought was reliable. Now were still having the effects of that war to this day. The Bush administration handled that so poorly and it could have been done better. But that being said more troops have died under Obama's watch than George Bush.
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Jesus...youd think after 10k posts you guys would figure it out
 
13027363:las. said:
Just over 1000 years ago, Baghdad was the intellectual centre of the world, predominantly for science. Civilizations and cultures and empires rise and fall, and to say so confidently that Iraq won't and can't function independently, or even rise back to the great heights it was once at is not only short- and narrow-sighted, but plain untrue. They obviously have a long way to go, though.
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