SacredThrash
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Just bought the Wildcat 108s. Super stoked on them. Was debating for the longest time between them and the Deathwish as a Colorado daily, but I'm sold on the WC108.
Moment Skis Discussion Thread
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Is the Wildcat 2021 the same as the Wildcat 2020? I am at some point going to need to replace my 2012 K2 Obsetheds (which are the best skis ever made btw) and the Wildcat has been my first choice. I haven't had a chance to demo them but my only concern is that they might be a bit too light for my liking, considering I heard the weight was reduced a few years ago. Is the weight unchanged from 2020 to 2021? Is there any chance of them getting a bit heavier again like they (or the Bibbys?) apparently were a few years ago?
Maybe I'll like them fine exactly as is, I don't know since I haven't demoed yet, just worried they might not be quite heavy enough.
Thanks!
Maybe I'll like them fine exactly as is, I don't know since I haven't demoed yet, just worried they might not be quite heavy enough.
Thanks!
Non_State_Actor
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14160337:ShadowXVX said:
Chipotle Banana.
hot.pocket
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14160337:ShadowXVX said:
Wildcat comes back with an updated aspen/ash core, instead of the aspen/pine core from all previous iterations. This adds a slight bit of weight as well as increases the dampness and stability at the very top end. All the weights on the Wildcat product page are updated for the 2021 models.
cydwhit
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Nice job, as always!
Those new Commanders are top 5 all-time Moment graphics for me. The most on-brand aesthetic and elements ever. And thanks for not messing with my two favorite skis ever.
Can't wait to get back to drawing comics, and include some of these new topsheets in 'em. The classics were fun to draw, but these are next level!
Those new Commanders are top 5 all-time Moment graphics for me. The most on-brand aesthetic and elements ever. And thanks for not messing with my two favorite skis ever.
Can't wait to get back to drawing comics, and include some of these new topsheets in 'em. The classics were fun to draw, but these are next level!
hot.pocket
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14160462:cydwhit said:
Stoked to see what you come up with!
ASSholebomber22
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Those commander 124's holy shit. I'd love to try em, but for like a run or less.
SofaKingSick
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14160656:Biffbarf said:
less than one run! are we gonna switch skis halfway down?
f100prerunner
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Wow...wildcat and commander graphics may be the sickest set of graphics I’ve seen on skis before
ASSholebomber22
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14160664:SofaKingSick said:
I mean, we can if you want. Depends how bad they'd kick my ass lmao
hot.pocket
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14160664:SofaKingSick said:
14160668:Biffbarf said:
To throw some info out there, the Commander 124 is built a little different than the rest of the Commander lineup, and is nowhere near as aggressive as it's slimmer brothers.
The Commander 124 does not have any Titanal in it, maintains the aspen / ash core, and is built with a bit more rocker in the tip and tail. The profile is slightly softer overall in comparison to the same lengths in the other Commander widths. While it does share the same name as the slimmer models, it's mostly its own ski.
It's definitely a really wide pow ski with a traditional, directional shape, but not one that I have trouble skiing.
hot.pocket
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14160690:Cade2 said:
6'2 150lbs and I ski the 186, I lean more towards trees and jibs vs charging. Mounted on the line.
**This post was edited on Jul 31st 2020 at 4:11:18pm
ASSholebomber22
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14160680:hot.pocket said:
oh ok word, glad to hear it. I could only imagine how demanding it could be if it was the same layup lmao
hot.pocket
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14160733:Cade2 said:
Unfortunately no discount codes right now.
ThaLorax
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I'm 5'2" (157cm) tall and 115 lbs, and looking to replace my beat to absolute shit 2013 172cm PB&J's. How would the new 174 Wilcat 101's compare?
Being only 157cm tall, I'm a bit worried they'd be too long for an every day ski. I love my 174cm Bibby's in powder, but not so much on hardpack. I absolutely loved the 172cm PB&J in everything. Your size chart has me at 164cm, but the effective edge looks about the same as I remember the PB&J in 172. So, I'm both worried that the 164 would be too small, and that the 174 would be too long. Advice?
Being only 157cm tall, I'm a bit worried they'd be too long for an every day ski. I love my 174cm Bibby's in powder, but not so much on hardpack. I absolutely loved the 172cm PB&J in everything. Your size chart has me at 164cm, but the effective edge looks about the same as I remember the PB&J in 172. So, I'm both worried that the 164 would be too small, and that the 174 would be too long. Advice?
Greg_K
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14160799:ThaLorax said:
174cm all day! The old PB&J was actually heavier in weight vs the latest(last 2 years) versions as they didn’t have the semi cap construction tip/tail and carbon infused fibreglass of the current builds. So the new Wildcat 101 in a 174cm should have similar weight to your old 172cm PB&J yet have lighter swing weight, faster bases, better durability etc.
BIG UPGRADE I think!
I had a pair of older PB&J that I didn’t gel with and I’m pondering a pair of Wildcat 101 to go with my new 118mm Wildcats. Love my Bibby’s and think I’m going to love the new Wildcats even more!
hot.pocket
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14160799:ThaLorax said:
I promise you from the bottom of my heart that you won't notice any difference in the length between your 172 PB&Js and a pair of 101 Wildcat 174s. If you absolutely loved the 172 PB&J you will be right at home on the 174 Wildcat 101.
ThaLorax
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14160863:hot.pocket said:
Yessss. I replaced the PB&J with the Candide 2.0's that Faction gave me in a ski sales contest, but they are just not not cutting it for me.
My heart loves your response and has me excited to have this ski back in my life. My covid19 unemployed brain, and my wallet do not. But I'd rather pay for your skis than take 99% of the ones I get for free or through pro deals.
**This post was edited on Aug 1st 2020 at 10:04:30pm
Chron_Rabbit
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I'm 5'8, 160 lbs and I just pre ordered a pair of Wildcat 108s size 184. Was wondering if I could get a mount rec from someone? I rarely hit the park, and when I do its mostly for the jumps. I enjoy skiing natural terrain and finding side hits/creative lines. These will be my one ski quiver for the resorts this winter. Thanks for the input.
PhilboydStudge
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14160462:cydwhit said:
Shoot sorry I meant to reply to hot.pocket...
I'm looking to get my first lightweight touring setup and I'd love some opinions! How does one choose between the Wildcat 108 Tour and the Deathwish Tour? Which would you choose for touring in the northern Rockies (Montana and BC) and what would make you choose one over the other? Or if you thought you might occasionally use them in-bounds, would you consider the regular versions of these skis with Shift bindings?
**This post was edited on Aug 2nd 2020 at 1:55:19pm
PhilboydStudge
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14160181:hot.pocket said:
2021 lineup is live on the website, hit me with any questions on here, through the livechat feature on the website, or email at info@momentskis.com
I'm looking to get my first lightweight touring setup and I'd love some opinions! How does one choose between the Wildcat 108 Tour and the Deathwish Tour? Which would you choose for touring in the northern Rockies (Montana and BC) and what would make you choose one over the other? Or if you thought you might occasionally use them in-bounds, would you consider the regular versions of these skis with Shift bindings?
I'm moving back to Montana this winter and will probably be doing more exploring/glades/morning laps before work than dicey terrain or chutes, with some hut trips thrown in. I'm sure I will be using them in variable snow conditions, not just pow. I could also imagine using these for a week long trip to BC where I'm doing mostly backcountry but also skiing inbounds a couple days at Revelstoke or Whitewater. I'm looking at getting either Kingpins or Shifts.
I've been riding OG 184 Bibby's for 7 years with Salomon Guardian bindings and Full Tilt boots. Not exactly lightweight, but I fucking love these skis. I've been mostly using them in-bounds with some side country and backcountry. I decided to specialize my quiver this last year though. I got a pair of ON3P Jeffrey 108s for in bounds riding that I'm really excited about. I'll still use my old Bibby's on big pow days or combo side country days. And I'd like to get a new touring specific ski to try to shed some weight for most of the touring days.
Thanks so much for taking the time to read this and help me out, I really appreciate it!
**This post was edited on Aug 2nd 2020 at 1:57:40pm
hot.pocket
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14161003:PhilboydStudge said:
[tag=195966]@cydwhit[/tag] has a great writeup on Blister about the Deathwish Tour. He has a section on the DWT vs the Wildcat Tour 108.
Give that a read and I'll give a better answer when I'm back in the shop on Tuesday.
PhilboydStudge
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14161022:hot.pocket said:
Cool thank you! I've spent hours today and over the last few weeks reading a bunch of the Blister reviews about these skis, but I haven't seen anything that directly compares the two. I'm not a paying subscriber though. I'll go poke around and look for that comparison again.
I'm probably over thinking it, I'm sure I'd love both of these skis. Seems like the DWT is a little more playful, Wildcat 108 Tour a little more directional and fast? It's hard for me to understand the feel of the triple camber without ever having ridden a pair of skis that have it.
hot.pocket
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14160993:Chron_Rabbit said:
If you ski fairly traditionally, hardly ski switch or are rarely throwing spins / flips off of natural features, go with the rec line.
If you like to ski the entire mountain a little more playfully and with some freestyle thrown in, go with -4, or the triangle closest to the tip of the ski.
Any videos you see of the Wildcats on the following instagram accounts are mounted at -4:
https://www.instagram.com/tylercurle
https://www.instagram.com/gtbalen
https://www.instagram.com/whatfordchris
If you're going to keep the OG Bibby's around, I would consider the Wildcat Tour 108 or the Deathwish Tour.
Wildcat Tour 108's will feel like a lightweight, slim Bibby, and will somewhat resemble the ride you get out of your Jeffrey's. If you like consistency in your quiver (i.e. most of your skis 'ski' similarly) I'd go this route. It'll handle most all conditions and will still do well at the resort during your week in BC. You'll hop on a pair of these and feel right at home. I go this route, and run an entire quiver of full rocker skis that all perform very similarly no matter where I'm skiing.
Deathwish Tour is a little more well rounded for a variety of backcountry conditions, and is our least specialized / most well rounded touring ski in the lineup. It won't handle the resorts during your week in BC as well as the Wildcat Tour 108, but it won't be awful. If you went this route I'd suggest using it for all touring days and getting a more resort oriented binding for your OG Bibby's, as the Deathwish Tour performs well in everything from hardpack to pow.
As far as bindings go, if you go for a true touring setup I would find a good pin binding. Salomon MTN or Black Diamond Helio 360 if you ski aggressively in the backcountry, or the G3 Zed if you're not a super aggressive skier. I use the Zed's without the brakes and I like them, most of my touring partners opt for burlier bindings as they ski more aggressively than I do.
If you do go for a 50 / 50 binding, go with the Shift over the Kingpin.
Or you throw out the rulebook and mount a pair of fat Wildcats with the all gold CAST system and say screw the weight I'm here to fuck shit up.
**This post was edited on Aug 2nd 2020 at 5:00:49pm
hot.pocket
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14161032:PhilboydStudge said:
Here's [tag=229241]@patagonialuke[/tag] take on the Triple Camber feel, from the 2019/20 Deathwish review:
"As for the “Triple Camber feeling,” it’s difficult to describe. At this point I don’t think too much about it since I’ve spent many days on the ski, but the Deathwish does feel different on edge than skis with traditional rocker / camber / rocker profiles. I’ve been describing the feeling as slightly “rough” or “slow.” Particularly on corduroy or chalky snow where it’s easy to carve deep into the snow, the Deathwish feels like it slices through the snow with a bit more resistance than more traditionally rockered skis. I can definitely feel those “camber pockets” digging into the snow.
But to be clear, I have not been viewing this as a significant downside. While it feels different, I personally don’t think it feels weird, unpredictable, or bad. In fact, once I got used to the feeling of those camber pockets engaging, I found it very confidence inspiring since I knew I could trust them to hold a carved turn and not randomly disengage."
It certainly has a unique feeling to it, but not one that hampers the ride or feels out of place. During demos I tell people to give it at least a run or two, most click with it much sooner than that.
Sorry, I thought Cy had a direct comparison but it was more of a "if you want a 50/50 ski, the Deathwish Tour is not that ski, it's a pure touring ski" write up.
**This post was edited on Aug 2nd 2020 at 5:07:35pm
AlmostCooler
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Stopped by the Moment shop/factory earlier this week and got to check out some of the new skis from the 2021 lineup in person. Can confirm they’re all fucking beautiful.
also shoutout to the rad dude (Jake I think?) who gave me a ton of advice on my future tour/powder setup and generally chatted w me about skiing for like an hour. Can’t wait to have my kitties with the cast system and pivots. I’ll be back as soon as my cast kit comes in!
also shoutout to the rad dude (Jake I think?) who gave me a ton of advice on my future tour/powder setup and generally chatted w me about skiing for like an hour. Can’t wait to have my kitties with the cast system and pivots. I’ll be back as soon as my cast kit comes in!
cydwhit
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14161034:hot.pocket said:
Yeah, I think that was actually in some TGR thread haha. Lotta good stuff has been said, I'll just reiterate what I've said in the past: If you like triple camber, the DWT is a no brainer. If you've never tried triple camber but are intrigued by it and think it might be cool, either ski will be fine, but you might as well go for the DWT because it's freaking awesome. If you're scared of new things, go WCT.
I was on the DWT for 100% of my backcountry days last year, everything from deep, deep days to big, exposed, crap snow, ski with an axe and a whippet BS. My friend and main touring partner was on the WCT108 for most of those same days and had no issues. I think I'd be happy on the WCT108 for 90% of my touring days, and that 10% that I'm not, I'd just be missing the magic "pivot easy but have an insane amount of edge grip" that the DWT brings. And if I'd never skied the regular Deathwish I wouldn't know any better and would be raving that the WCT108 was the greatest touring ski ever.
You can't go wrong with either, choose the one that makes your pants move a little more and never look back.
PhilboydStudge
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14161033:hot.pocket said:
Thank you so much! You've been so helpful, this is great info. This is why I love Moment, 11 years deep for me since my first pair. I really appreciate it.
PhilboydStudge
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14161149:cydwhit said:
Thank you! So much good info here and from Blister. One last question - I saw from your Blister writeup that you have Vipec Evo 12's on your DWTs, are you happy with these bindings on these skis?
cydwhit
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14161198:PhilboydStudge said:
Yup! Feel like it's a match made in heaven. I have a long review of the Vipec 12 on there somewhere that I 100% stand behind. Great binding.
That said, some folks have had issues with them, I may just have gotten lucky.
If I ever get around to putting together a narrower setup (release a PB&Death Tour already...) I'd definitely go with the Salomon MTN binding. Really big fan of those if you're less concerned with lateral toe release.
hot.pocket
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14161246:runjoy said:
Been working on some new stuff lately, not sure when we will be putting it up though
Chunderface
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14161346:Rodigan said:
Commander is to incredibly sick. All the new sheets are, but you're right - the Commander really looks like a Moment ski.
SofaKingSick
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14161734:Greg_K said:
god i love when people post pictures of skis in person. something much more real and exciting about seeing them in someone's house ready to get mounted
hot.pocket
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14161830:SofaKingSick said:
14161834:CalumSKI said:
Anything you guys would like to see from the showroom? Won't be quite the same as these kind of photos but also won't be our typical marketing style photos either.
patagonialuke
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14161840:hot.pocket said:
ESPN "Body Issue" style photoshoot, but with the 20/21 lineup and all the folks from the factory
hot.pocket
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14161880:patagonialuke said:
...but seriously, give me a few hours and I might deliver.