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13433351:DingoSean said:
mate you are honestly so delusional if you think this is an extreme circumstance.
https://www.facebook.com/MensRightsActivism.MRA/videos/377021112485889/
there you have a female panel on mainstream tv ridiculing and laughing about a man who got his penis chopped off by his wife because he wanted a divorce, and the audience loves it.
can you imagine if the roles were reversed, and a female had her breasts cut off? and someone tried to make fun of it on tv? the show would be instantly cancelled, every panelists career would be over in a second and there would be public outrage.
you have got to be fucking kidding me if you think this sexism is an "extreme circumstance".
saskskier
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13433461:nocturnal said:
Most places have redefined rape to make it gender neutral, which means regardless of whether you are a man or a woman raping a man or a woman, you can be charged with it.
"As of the early 2000s, all states define rape without reference to the sex of the victim and the perpetrator. Though the overwhelming majority of rape victims are women, a woman may be convicted of raping a man, a man may be convicted of raping a man, and a woman may be convicted of raping another woman. Furthermore, a spouse may be convicted of rape if the perpetrator forces the other spouse to have nonconsensual sex. Many states do not punish the rape of a spouse as severely as the rape of a non-spouse."
(http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/rape)
13433727:saskskier said:
I can see where you got confused in that because in the 1970's rape was defined as a man having forcible sex with a woman. and that was then changed to forcible male to female to the be gender neutral. However, when the first case did come about a judge had to read the law as written and it was ruled that women can not penetrate a man by having regular intercourse. Some states have amended and change the laws, but not all of them have. and there's still quite a few states where they can't be charged unless they stick a finger in your butt or fuck you with a strap on.
13433718:ThaLorax said:
no. It doesn't matter what she did it is the fact that it was a heinous crime and the mainstream media is laughing about it, if the roles were reversed it would never happen. that is my point.
you can find hundreds of other examples like this, that if the gender roles were reversed such things would not only never be said, but there would be extreme public backlash if they were. but its okay if you make fun of males because "that can't be sexist. you can't be sexist to a group who aren't oppressed"
Vino
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What the heck is going on here??? Did a quick google search, then read the convos... first thing to come :
''he and i went to an art opening and tacos tonight - and we
talked it out - like im not gonna force him to be exclusive
but i was like "just use condoms with other girls" - so
yeah - he’ll use condoms if he fucks other girls. ''
''he and i went to an art opening and tacos tonight - and we
talked it out - like im not gonna force him to be exclusive
but i was like "just use condoms with other girls" - so
yeah - he’ll use condoms if he fucks other girls. ''
13433461:nocturnal said:
1. okay fine. Pretty sure we already settled that. I always was under the impression that you thought women just couldn't be charged with rape period.
2. Lul wut?
13433466:pow_pow~ said:
Oh yes, because things you see on TV are so the normal-everyday thing or something...? It's a fucking talk show. All of them are structured and also staged that way... talk about a ridiculous example. There's plenty of fucked up shit in our culture, and emasculation of men like in this instance is one of them... this is something everyone can agree on - feminist or whomever.
If someone is ridiculed for that reason, that shit is FUCKED. UP. Nobody should ever have to go through that kind of thing, male, female, whatever gender identification...
I'm not sure what you were trying to disprove with this in the first place, though... You kinda just ended up making something that changed the subject to a degree.
13435320:nocturnal said:No laughing matter why don't you try bumping any old feminist threads where you try to pathetically defend your stance and couldn't. O that's right they all got deleted.
Deleting a few of your trolly posts and deleting threads are not the same.
S.J.W
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13435320:nocturnal said:No laughing matter why don't you try bumping any old feminist threads where you try to pathetically defend your stance and couldn't. O that's right they all got deleted.
man it must suck to have someone oppress your voice and belittle you. Now you know how woman for the past few thousand years have felt.
13435301:DingoSean said:
I'm starting to question your intelligence. yes things you see on mainstream media are followed by the majority of that population making it the normal everyday thing. its a talk show that cheered on the woman for chopping of her husbands penis. if you even watched the video the whole audience is laughing, loving it. that is a pretty accurate representation of the demographics in the audience. female feminists.
13435418:pow_pow~ said:
I don't think you understand that there's a difference between random females in a studio with "applause" signs above their heads, and actual everyday life. If that were a legitimate forum, filled with actual intelligent people (note: not random people off the street who got random free tickets to see Sharon Osbourne). Do you think I condone the behavior of that group? I certainly don't... but cmon... that show is not an accurate representation of society any more than Jerry Springer's Alabama fights or Maury's Paternity tests or anything else. Any real feminist would find show scripts like that to be detrimental if anything... they're written to throw shock value into the air when they have nothing more pertinent or constructive to discuss.
I can find multiple other scenarios on other talk shows where men are belittled in front of an audience. that doesn't mean that society is inherently misandric and anti-men, that means that talk shows and their audiences are fucking stupid.
13435565:DingoSean said:
mate that show has on average 2.6 million viewers. it doesn't have to be a legitimate forum with intelligent people for it to gain traction, it quite accurately represents society views of female on male violence, its found to be laughable.
you are so lost in you're own little bubble saying things like "any real feminist would find show scripts like that to be detrimental". well where are they? where are they speaking out about it? actually find any mens issue that feminism has supported and ill be very surprised.
this third wave feminism or whatever you want to call it is just trying to cling on to relevance. in western society they have achieved everything necessary long ago. please tell me one right men have that woman don't. there is no fucking patriarchy, there is no rape culture, there is no 75 cents on the dollar wage gap. it is a joke.
S.J.W
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13436914:pow_pow~ said:
why we still need feminism.
No paid paternity in the united states.
Government bodies who consist mainly of men trying to dictate what a woman can/should do with her body. On average in OECD government are 4 men to 1 woman. And 20 men to one woman with regards to being CEO.
Being assertive and independent makes you a leader if you're a man and if you're a woman it makes you bossy and bitchy.
There is a large bias towards men that encourages them to pursue science and discourage woman to do the same. Which leads them to being under represented in STEM fields.
The fact that a mans razor blade is tax exempt but a woman's tampons and pads aren't?
And there is a rape culture, the fact that society still asks what was she wearing? Is rape culture, the fact that when a rapist is convicted people say "well his life is ruined" instead of "he ruined her life" is rape culture. The fact that one in five woman will be raped in their life time is rape culture. Rape jokes that are seen as "funny" is rape culture.
I could also list the work feminism has done for LGBTQ community which have very little rights. Has any MRA done work for the LGBTQ community?
Charlie_Kelly
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13436932:S.J.W said:
How many women founded America...? Exactly.
13436914:pow_pow~ said:
Haha
13436975:DingoSean said:
last time we had this argument you couldn't defend your stance on the wage gap and you deleted the thread, because you look like an idiot. I don't know why you're make a stupid pointless post that says haha when he has a very valid point. at least California stopped posting when he realized he's a moron who has no idea what he's talking about back on page 1 or 2.
13437073:nocturnal said:
Haha what? I have defended my stance on that the whole time just fine dude... If that thread was deleted it was because it devolved into general women hate and trollposts.
He doesn't have a valid point at all. That's why "Haha".
californiagrown
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13437073:nocturnal said:
Haha nah I just recognize a troll, as a troll.
That, or you're an idiot. And you don't want to argue with an idiot as they'll bring you down to their level and beat you with experience every time.
13437080:DingoSean said:
this video undeniably refutes any argument you or any other third wave feminist has ever made simply by being objective and looking at statistics and comparing them between males and females.
13437880:pow_pow~ said:
I'm not going to watch an hour 1/2 long video on the subject right now, but all I will say when it comes to statistics (which is what I'm assuming this is going to highlight many of - while also leaving many others out - good luck covering the whole story of any subject with one person in an hour 1/2 lol) is that they are not the end-all-be-all, and are extremely easy to use in a manipulating way. The wage gap statistics, definitely being one of them - as admittedly, there are idiots out there who throw around false wage statistics all day as a way to claim they deserve more for less work - which isn't at all the point of the whole thing by any measure and deteriorates the work that has been done by those who are actually doing good. Many of the statistics we have don't tell the whole story anyway, and are based on entirely non-transparent data in many industries.
Those who seek to eliminate the wage gap (which, by any statistic admittedly exists, depending on the industry) aren't just simply asking "give women more money" straight up, but rather, a change in the culture, ambition, and general acceptance of women in different workforces within society so as to allow women to work the same jobs as men in an equal setting (think of it from the idea of "well, women don't work in high paying jobs like mining or oil extraction, so that's why" and then ask "well why don't they? It's not because they're unable to.. why wouldn't women want a job that pays that well?" and go from there) It's a bottom-up affair, rather than a top down, but there does need to be some form of legislation on-top of it all to protect from any pitfalls that may exist in the future that could potentially endanger enforcement of the quite vague equal pay act (which has not been entirely successful as we know). Whether this is something like the Paycheck Fairness Act or some other sort of anti-discriminatory protective pay legislation remains to be seen.
13437902:DingoSean said:
Omg great point
and there is no statistic for a wage gap you can sue if you're not getting paid equally for equal work. The last time we had this discussion you deleted the thread. you posted up the bullshit statistic of women doctors and lawyers and then when I told you the real reason because most men that are doctors are surgeons so they get paid more money and more women who are Doctor are physicians so they make less money. if over 90% of Surgeons were women the "pay gap" would be reversed but that's on women they choose to be physicians and no one makes them do it. same thing with lawyers more men or corporate based lawyers thats where the monsy is. if a woman is a surgeon or corporate lawyer and not making the same amount as her male counterpart and they have the same continuous experience and education she can sue and win the money.
CashmereCat
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13437880:pow_pow~ said:
That man's presentation skills were god awful. I can read.
13437997:nocturnal said:Omg great point
and there is no statistic for a wage gap you can sue if you're not getting paid equally for equal work. The last time we had this discussion you deleted the thread. you posted up the bullshit statistic of women doctors and lawyers and then when I told you the real reason because most men that are doctors are surgeons so they get paid more money and more women who are Doctor are physicians so they make less money. if over 90% of Surgeons were women the "pay gap" would be reversed but that's on women they choose to be physicians and no one makes them do it. same thing with lawyers more men or corporate based lawyers thats where the monsy is. if a woman is a surgeon or corporate lawyer and not making the same amount as her male counterpart and they have the same continuous experience and education she can sue and win the money.
Usually I stay out of any political discussion as no one on NS will ever change their mind. But my god you are stubborn when you come to the issue of feminism. I don't identify as a feminists as it scares nearly every man I've met. But my god, the only people I've met who say the gender pay gap doesn't exist are men. http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/articles/2014-11-14/women-make-less-than-men-even-when-they-are-equally-qualified-mbas
I'm also going to use an anecdotal example of proof the pay gap exists. For marketing all of my marketing class were given the opportunity to work in a marketing firm for a week. Once that week was over the firms were given the chance to award bonus's to those who they think did a good job. I was on a team with 3 other males who all received 100 dollars and I received 50 dollars even though we all did the exact same amount of work. And often you can't sue your employer for paying you less as once you sign the contract then you're agreeing to that amount of money
Spagett+
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13438273:cddlswthsqrrls said:
Maybe its cause the men did better work because they are men and they have bigger brains and they are better at business that women. I had an internship at Dobis PR and they didn't hire women because they are proven to be bad at marketing and every other facet of business.
13438307:nocturnal said:
Well hypothetically, yes. But there's still sexism in certain industries that lead employers to want to hire men over woman. STEM fields for one. I even get told that when I leave school and finish my degree in marketing that I will have a harder time finding a job because I'm a woman.
13438313:cddlswthsqrrls said:
Sounds legit. You can go into stem fields but most woman choose not to that's on your education choice not men telling you, you can't be a doctor. look at the greed of large corporations in America I think we can all agree that the most important thing is making a profit. and if they could cut costs by over 20 percent I think they would do that over a preference that you claim exists.
13438330:nocturnal said:
Well woman earn 50.4% of science and engineering and engineering bachelor degree's but woman are still under represented in STEM fields.
And you can't even understand how a woman feels in school when she tells a man she wants to be a doctor and get's the response " isn't that something a man does". You don't know the feelings of iniquity towards woman aiming high. You will never understand how being told that you're pretty much not good enough for the career you want. You men don't understand how good you have it, can you imagine being told that your goals are for men and you should aim lower? No you don't. So stop debating about womans issues when you don't understand how us woman feel towards being told we're not good enough for certain jobs. There's an entire stigma and prejudice that push woman down and then you men use that against us and say shit like "well she can study to become a doctor if she wants to", No, when the entire world is telling you, you can't do something, you start to believe them.
Byron_tha_gr8
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13438313:cddlswthsqrrls said:
pretty sure thats just because males are smarter at things like logic and science. We don't have strong emotions that limit our thinking ability.
13438338:cddlswthsqrrls said:
Three restraunts in my town only hire women, technically they cant, but I don't feel comfortable if all employees are women. And no it's not hooters. It works on both sides. But don't bs and say nobody else can understand your issue. I'm not gay. But I can understand and see how they would feel persecuted. How does it feel to know that at 18 you sign up so if the draft was reinstated you would be drafted, and how that you are much more likely to be selected and much more likely to be a causality as a male. Or the fact that a man hitting a women is abusive but a women hitting a man is independent. I could continue with the double standards but you are just as stubborn.
californiagrown
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13438313:cddlswthsqrrls said:
Haha be an entry level engineer and find out how much EASIER it is to get a job as a female.
Moral of the story- don't pay tens of thousands of dollars to purchase a marketing diploma that a monkey could earn, and join a field where your gender is the overwhelming majority.
That said, society is still biased towards men. But women are really bad at reinforcing that culture along with men. It ain't up to just men to change. Women need to as well.
lol I want to be a doctor and I'm a girl, omg a woman doctor thats like seeing a unicorn, that's so rare no woman is ever a doctor! Save that job for the men. Save it and stop your bitching I know 4 girls all in med school and they have been nothing but supported by friends and family and their schools. You have no idea what you are talking about you have a marketing degree.13438338:cddlswthsqrrls said:
13438366:Lonely said:
There's no way a draft would ever be reinstituted again at this point... Not after 'nam. No fucking way. The only way it would work is if we were under a conventional attack... but that would mean we were probably getting nuked. In which case, Red Dawn Scenario, and Red Dawn equality in the guerrilla ranks.
Even if it was reinstituted, you can bet that they'd re-organize it to include women as well... Most nations with conscripted militaries today require women to serve as well (Namely countries currently under high threat of war, such as Korea and Israel), so there's little doubt in my mind that the USA would institute the same thing in such a situation. Rostker v Goldberg was a long long time ago. There's no way it would hold up in today's quite different cultural landscape.
**This post was edited on Jun 3rd 2015 at 11:01:44pm
shred-sesh
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13438421:nocturnal said:
I grew up with mingg and yeah actually, she did get this shit. We come from an extremely conservative area and yes, this stuff does happen. When she told people she wanted to go to school for biomedical science people told her she was crazy and that she would be better off becoming a science teacher because more women are good at that even though she graduated top 10 in our class and was completely able to do awesome shit. She ended up changing to marketing, yes, but that doesn't change the fact that girls do get this kind of criticism and borderline harassment. You don't see it because you might not be the guys giving girls shit for it. There seriously are people out there who deter women from these things. Why all the hate on marketing? Ming has had sick opportunities in it too that really shouldn't be disregarded. She's good at and loves what she does, whats the problem with that? Money? I know she doesn't give a shit about money. she doesn't need approval from you guys either and is rad enough to do what she wants with her life. To the retards saying women aren't as good as men, stfu. There are things that women excel at that men struggle with and vice versa. It's not to say either gender is better than the other, either. To generalize and say ALL women or ALL men are worse/better at something just makes you look like an ignorant fuck.
californiagrown
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13438473:shred-sesh said:
We were all loling at how at the marketing grad was blaming her low pay on her gender... Instead of the fucking marketing degree hahaha!
13438478:californiagrown said:
hahaha it isn't about the difference in pay between different careers, its about difference in pay between people of different genders working the same position with the same qualifications though. If all I wanted in life was to make a fuck ton of money then I wouldn't be in a marketing program.
californiagrown
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13438480:cddlswthsqrrls said:
No, I know what your talking about. The way your previous posts came off was why you were getting such a hard time from folks haha.
13438480:cddlswthsqrrls said:
the wage gap has been disproved too many times to count by very credible economists. this is probably the simplest explanation you can get.
if you could find me any peer reviewed studies that aren't originating from a feminist page that show a gap between the genders, working the same position, same tenure, same qualifications, same hours worked i will completely recant anything i have ever said about feminism. the study i have described just does not exist.