Mattress girl text/fb convos released

13439685:saskskier said:
If you take a look at article 130 or New York penal law (only using NY because that's where Columbia is and where this whole thing went down) the language for rape specifically says 'he or she engages in sexual intercourse' (in any of the degrees) and sexual intercourse is defined as "ordinary meaning and occurs upon any penetration, however slight". Because the language says 'he or she engages in' that leaves the possibility that both men and women can be charged. No, a woman cannot penetrate, however she can engage in sexual intercourse. Not hard to understand...

I don't believe that stigma exists at all. Men are applauded if they are successful, rich and powerful, but they are also applauded if they go become reclusive mountain men. Look at skiing. Yes, there are a few high paid skiers, but some of the most respected live out of vans and deliver pizza. Men can do pretty much whatever they want (be successful or not) without too many repercussions.

As for the rape thing? I'm willing to bet there are far more legitimate rapes on and off campus that go unreported for every illegitimate, girl-who-cried rape situation.

Also, the lines between rape and sexual assault can be pretty darn close. Again, from article 130 of New York penal law. Rape is vaginal intercourse. Criminal sexual act is oral or anal intercourse. Aggravated sexual abuse is penetration with an object. There are degrees of severity to all of these acts. It's not always a cut and dry situation, especially when drugs and alcohol have blurred what exactly happened.

I don't agree with that second part at all. Yes SKIERS applaud them, but the rest of the nation would see them as bums, contributing little to society and working meaningless jobs just so they can have enought to barely make it by, yet ski 100+ days every year. Although, we see them as awesome because we can see what they Are doing for our sport.

Im not really sure what you mean by repercussions? Because yes, anybody can do whatever they want? It's not like the government is gunna come by and force you to stop being a ski bum. So what exactly is a repercussion? And why would a woman have them? Once again....nobody can force you not to be a ski bum. Man or woman.
 
13439690:nocturnal said:
you're defining it by the New York State penal code I'm talking about a federal level not all states are on progressives New York level. As for the actual statistic if you look at the unbiased DOJ Crime Database. you'll see rape has been on the decline since 1995, and the actual number is on the most conservative side is 1 in 40. The most recent study done by the Justice Department in 2014 again an unbiased source puts it at about 1 in 52 not "more than 10%" seriously I would like to know where you getting the information for this number of more than 10 percent calli?

lol
 
13439676:CoreyTrevor said:
idk about you, but when somebody tells me I can't do something, it gives me that much more encouragement to get it done to tell them to fuck off. If people give you shit, tell you that you can't do it, and you believe them, what gives me any reason to think they would ever amount to anything in the work place where you need to assert your position and not be scared to be a bitch/asshole. (yes, women who speak with assertiveness are considered bitches sometimes, but men are considered assholes at the same time. It is what it is).

When you get knee deep into a career, your confidence speaks volume. You can't sound uncertain when you're trying to pitch a product or what you know--have to speak with confidence. I've personally been told myself in my own profession that when somebody asks me a question, even if my answer is 100% correct that if I don't sound confident then it's a red flag to people. Something to work on, no need to get all butthurt about it

yeah but the issue isn't with woman not being good at their jobs because they get told they can't do a job. Most woman are a professional level don't give two fucks if you say that they can or can't do the job. The issue is with how woman are constantly told at a very young age that this is for men and that is for woman which have a lasting affect on woman as young kids are quite mouldable with what you tell them.
 
13439763:S.J.W said:

I don't know why you find that rape statistics funny but I'm done in this thread, that is a real statistic and its not a laughing matter. You have done an absolutely horrific job defending your stance, and there's no point in talking to you anymore you still haven't posted any proof or have shown me that you have any knowledge in this area.
 
13439792:nocturnal said:
I don't know why you find that rape statistics funny but I'm done in this thread, that is a real statistic and its not a laughing matter. You have done an absolutely horrific job defending your stance, and there's no point in talking to you anymore you still haven't posted any proof or have shown me that you have any knowledge in this area.

No, I was laughing at you responding to cali but when I actually link you an article to how woman feel you don't even respond. And every time in a thread you respond with defending your stance, I've shown you proof how woman feel and then you respond with "well I know woman who contradict that view so it doesn't exist"

You refuse to actually admit that you're wrong. If you don't think men have it easier in school then you're delusional. Even ming has told you about how certain people tell woman that subjects and jobs aren't for woman and yet you still refuse to admit that there's a problem in society that pushes woman away from STEM fields and then men like you use the excuse "well woman can do whatever they want". If you research topics as much as you claim you do then you have time to actually learn about how society tells woman to fuck off.
 
13439766:S.J.W said:
yeah but the issue isn't with woman not being good at their jobs because they get told they can't do a job. Most woman are a professional level don't give two fucks if you say that they can or can't do the job. The issue is with how woman are constantly told at a very young age that this is for men and that is for woman which have a lasting affect on woman as young kids are quite mouldable with what you tell them.

I have a hard time buying into this. Its such a two-sided argument, you can literally say the same things about men. Oh a man can do this and that but can't do this cause that's for girls. Both genders are told what each gender should do, what they should pursue, how they should act. I just don't get why you guys think this only applies to women.

At the same time there ARE jobs only men can do, especially ones that require high intensity physical labor. If we want to talk facts, its a fact that men are superior to women physically. There are just some jobs women are simply not physical enough to do.
 
13439821:Granite_State said:
I have a hard time buying into this. Its such a two-sided argument, you can literally say the same things about men. Oh a man can do this and that but can't do this cause that's for girls. Both genders are told what each gender should do, what they should pursue, how they should act. I just don't get why you guys think this only applies to women.

At the same time there ARE jobs only men can do, especially ones that require high intensity physical labor. If we want to talk facts, its a fact that men are superior to women physically. There are just some jobs women are simply not physical enough to do.

Yeah manual labour jobs like mining will always be male. But STEM jobs aren't a manual labour jobs. And feminism wants to put an ender to gender stereotyping. Which in turn will help males as well as females and this notion that toy A is for male and toy B is for a female.
 
13439821:Granite_State said:
I have a hard time buying into this. Its such a two-sided argument, you can literally say the same things about men. Oh a man can do this and that but can't do this cause that's for girls. Both genders are told what each gender should do, what they should pursue, how they should act. I just don't get why you guys think this only applies to women.

At the same time there ARE jobs only men can do, especially ones that require high intensity physical labor. If we want to talk facts, its a fact that men are superior to women physically. There are just some jobs women are simply not physical enough to do.

and some jobs that men are naturally less efficient at as well. Both genders have objective pros and cons.
 
13439510:S.J.W said:
because of years of a patriarchal society which says that woman are better care givers than men. Also, woman are naturally better at care giving and child rearing.

>>> patriarchy is to blame for women being seen as caregivers

>>>>>>>>> "women are naturally better at care givers

MATE SORT YOUR SHIT OUT.
 
13440151:pow_pow~ said:
>>> patriarchy is to blame for women being seen as caregivers

>>>>>>>>> "women are naturally better at care givers

MATE SORT YOUR SHIT OUT.

Na man its all good he's got new articles as proof. All we have is unbiased studies and surveys done by professionals in their field.
 
13440151:pow_pow~ said:
>>> patriarchy is to blame for women being seen as caregivers

>>>>>>>>> "women are naturally better at care givers

MATE SORT YOUR SHIT OUT.

It's a combination of them both. The patriarchy has sensualised the extent of how good woman are at care giving to where no one questions if a woman can bring up a child. But naturally they are better, but not to the extent that they're ability shouldn't be questioned

13440173:nocturnal said:
Na man its all good he's got new articles as proof. All we have is unbiased studies and surveys done by professionals in their field.

I haven't seen you post one unbiased study that says that woman don't have it harder and aren't given shit for being woman for wanting to be in a high career. All you say in "omg i know a woman who contradicts that so it doesn't exist"

If you can't see racism, does it still exist??
 
13440190:S.J.W said:
It's a combination of them both. The patriarchy has sensualised the extent of how good woman are at care giving to where no one questions if a woman can bring up a child. But naturally they are better, but not to the extent that they're ability shouldn't be questioned

I haven't seen you post one unbiased study that says that woman don't have it harder and aren't given shit for being woman for wanting to be in a high career. All you say in "omg i know a woman who contradicts that so it doesn't exist"

If you can't see racism, does it still exist??

Nice fallacy but because you're the one making the claim, the burden of proof is on you which you haven't done. There are 3 videos posted on the gender gap by actual economists. You realize I can go on to Google right now and find you a news article that states vaccines give people autism. Omg proof we should stop giving those out right away.
 
13440237:nocturnal said:
Nice fallacy but because you're the one making the claim, the burden of proof is on you which you haven't done. There are 3 videos posted on the gender gap by actual economists. You realize I can go on to Google right now and find you a news article that states vaccines give people autism. Omg proof we should stop giving those out right away.

http://www.aauw.org/research/graduating-to-a-pay-gap/

There's an actual report stating the pay gap exists. And I've told you to watch miss representation, but you won't because omg it has an agenda.
 
13440238:S.J.W said:
http://www.aauw.org/research/graduating-to-a-pay-gap/

There's an actual report stating the pay gap exists. And I've told you to watch miss representation, but you won't because omg it has an agenda.
You're really stupid you just took a study from a femanist and didn't read the actual study college grads and people working in the same job are not the same thing. I don't need a documentary for facts. I can look them up myself for my own opinion, not the biased opinion of a director. Here a video on the pay gap in the 1970's [video]https://youtu.be/G_sGn6PdmIo[/video]
 
13440333:nocturnal said:
You're really stupid you just took a study from a femanist and didn't read the actual study college grads and people working in the same job are not the same thing. I don't need a documentary for facts. I can look them up myself for my own opinion, not the biased opinion of a director. Here a video on the pay gap in the 1970's [video]https://youtu.be/G_sGn6PdmIo[/video]

Wait, so you tell me I base my opinion on no facts then link a video where a man says a bunch of shit with no facts to back it up? Lol

And I link you an article and you dismiss it as feminist propaganda. Even though Catherine Hill is free of any prejudice in her reports, and she addressed different jobs and still found a 7% in pay for the same job.

Stanford found the exact same pay gap among 7% for the same work, in the same job.

http://web.stanford.edu/~pista/oxbes.pdf

But you won't actually read the report, you'll just dismiss it as feminist bullshit and go on your day in your little ignorant bubble.
 
13440415:S.J.W said:
Wait, so you tell me I base my opinion on no facts then link a video where a man says a bunch of shit with no facts to back it up? Lol

And I link you an article and you dismiss it as feminist propaganda. Even though Catherine Hill is free of any prejudice in her reports, and she addressed different jobs and still found a 7% in pay for the same job.

Stanford found the exact same pay gap among 7% for the same work, in the same job.

http://web.stanford.edu/~pista/oxbes.pdf

But you won't actually read the report, you'll just dismiss it as feminist bullshit and go on your day in your little ignorant bubble.


im not expecting you to watch the whole thing, but you can literally jump to any point of the video.

here are the sources for every single claim made.

https://board.freedomainradio.com/topic/44261-youtube-the-truth-about-male-privilege/https://board.freedomainradio.com/topic/44261-youtube-the-truth-about-male-privilege/
 
13440421:pow_pow~ said:

im not expecting you to watch the whole thing, but you can literally jump to any point of the video.

here are the sources for every single claim made.

https://board.freedomainradio.com/topic/44261-youtube-the-truth-about-male-privilege/https://board.freedomainradio.com/topic/44261-youtube-the-truth-about-male-privilege/

I'm just going to focus on his gender pay gap video, which he neglects woman and mens pay in the same job, because there is a 7% pay gap in those jobs.

http://www.facultyassociation.ubc.ca/docs/news/GenderPayEquity_Report_DATA.pdf

http://equity.ubc.ca/files/2010/06/salary_analysis.pdf

But you couldn't of chosen the worst person to link, he says it's the woman's fault for choosing assholes and it's their fault for enduring domestic violence. Not the mans fault, the woman's fault.

This guy is just pushing his extreme libertarian agenda. He ignores reasoning and looks at straight facts, much like the 77 cents to the dollar men to woman statistic that gets thrown around alot.
 
13440121:L_B said:
and some jobs that men are naturally less efficient at as well. Both genders have objective pros and cons.

wow wtf I agree with byron

just imagine all the shit male nurses have to go through in school
 
13440441:S.J.W said:
I'm just going to focus on his gender pay gap video, which he neglects woman and mens pay in the same job, because there is a 7% pay gap in those jobs.

http://www.facultyassociation.ubc.ca/docs/news/GenderPayEquity_Report_DATA.pdf

http://equity.ubc.ca/files/2010/06/salary_analysis.pdf

But you couldn't of chosen the worst person to link, he says it's the woman's fault for choosing assholes and it's their fault for enduring domestic violence. Not the mans fault, the woman's fault.

This guy is just pushing his extreme libertarian agenda. He ignores reasoning and looks at straight facts, much like the 77 cents to the dollar men to woman statistic that gets thrown around alot.

so I read a bit of that 12 page study fuck that 50 page study, I'm not reading it but I already addressed that back on the first or second page. they just took the entire category of Doctors and didnt take sub industries into effect for instance if I start out as a family physician and a girl starts out as a neurosurgeon or anesthesiologist she's going to make more money than me but when they compare it to certain kinds of doctors the gap was not there. You compared to the entire field most men that are surgeons and most women who pick a diffrent feild. Woman are able to pick whatever you want to do a medical school which is in usally pediatrics and family care and tend to stay away from emergency room and surgery.

and before you say it's because women are shunned from being surgeons which is a stupid thing to say. when I talked to a ton of er docs to see if its what I wanted to do in life, all of them told me not to do that job because it's so stressful and terrible and I'm a man so that point is invalid.

finally and I'm going to personally insult you you are fucking retarded read the conclusion of the study you just posted it actually proves my point not yours. that post you just made is literally the most moronic thing I've ever seen on Newschoolers you posted up a study and didn't even bother to read the results I bet you googled gender pay gap study and then copy and pasted the first one, but thanks for backing up my points with a study. see what happens when you go looking for proof.
 
13440796:nocturnal said:
so I read a bit of that 12 page study fuck that 50 page study, I'm not reading it but I already addressed that back on the first or second page. they just took the entire category of Doctors and didnt take sub industries into effect for instance if I start out as a family physician and a girl starts out as a neurosurgeon or anesthesiologist she's going to make more money than me but when they compare it to certain kinds of doctors the gap was not there. You compared to the entire field most men that are surgeons and most women who pick a diffrent feild. Woman are able to pick whatever you want to do a medical school which is in usally pediatrics and family care and tend to stay away from emergency room and surgery.

and before you say it's because women are shunned from being surgeons which is a stupid thing to say. when I talked to a ton of er docs to see if its what I wanted to do in life, all of them told me not to do that job because it's so stressful and terrible and I'm a man so that point is invalid.

finally and I'm going to personally insult you you are fucking retarded read the conclusion of the study you just posted it actually proves my point not yours. that post you just made is literally the most moronic thing I've ever seen on Newschoolers you posted up a study and didn't even bother to read the results I bet you googled gender pay gap study and then copy and pasted the first one, but thanks for backing up my points with a study. see what happens when you go looking for proof.

llolololololol I have read the conclusion and it states that there's not a significant pay gap. And it found that woman are 9.7% are less likely to be promoted. Notice how it said MOST of the way gap is explained by gap, not all but most. Meaning there is still a gender pay gap.

" Both the results from the Linear Probability Model and the Probit indicate that, all else being equal,

being a woman lowers the probability of being a Full Professor among current faculty members by close

to 6% and this effect is significant at the 5%level. These results imply that the factors used in the

decomposition of the gender pay gap themselves contain some gender biases and that the female salary

disadvantage found in section 3 may indeed only be a lower bound."

But if you need more proof here have a Stanford study.

http://web.stanford.edu/~pista/oxbes.pdf

Also I've addressed societies issues with telling woman that they can't be what they wish to achieve so I'm not going to address that again.

But why don't you provide proof that the pay gap doesn't exist huh? All you've said is that the studies aren't controlled for individuals, which they are in the Stanford study and they still found a gap.

"The ordinary least squares estimates of equation 1 are presented in table 3. The coefficient on the female dummy variable indicates that when differences in individual characteristics as well as differences in job sector and function are included, female graduates are paid on average 8.6 percent less than male graduates"

And don't throw that well why doesn't everyone hire woman over men then? Stanford addressed that too.

"finally, one must consider a Becker-type taste for discrimination to be a factor in driving the wage differences. Working with members of a specific gender, as well as profits may enter an employer's utility function, resulting in different wages for woman and men. As most employers recruiting MBAs in different wages for woman and men are managers rather than owners, in accordance with principal-agent theory, these managers may be less concerned with profits than would actual owners and more likely to allow a "a taste for discrimination" to enter their utility functions."
 
13440796:nocturnal said:
finally and I'm going to personally insult you you are fucking retarded read the conclusion of the study you just posted it actually proves my point not yours. that post you just made is literally the most moronic thing I've ever seen on Newschoolers you posted up a study and didn't even bother to read the results I bet you googled gender pay gap study and then copy and pasted the first one, but thanks for backing up my points with a study. see what happens when you go looking for proof.

i generally hate your posts but this one and the others in this thread are pure gold
 
13441985:Livelifelarge said:
HAS ANYONE SEEN THE PORNO SHE MADE?!?!?!?

That's fucked up. This chick needs to be thrown in jail or something and made an example of false rape claimers.
 
This story has gotten way more fucked up.

http://www.mrctv.org/blog/mattress-girl-breaks-pornography-accuses-viewers-participating-rape

She apparently released a sex tape, but says if you watch it without her consent or with negative intentions you are "Participating" in the rape. Also as a side not some people believe she may have doctored the video too.

http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/08/is-mattress-girl-editing-her-sex-tape-to-dodge-a-lawsuit/

I don't plan on watching the video by the descriptions of it, but I want to know how this turns out. With this I kind of think both people may need to seek some counseling.
 
13487827:Lé.Skiing said:
This story has gotten way more fucked up.

http://www.mrctv.org/blog/mattress-girl-breaks-pornography-accuses-viewers-participating-rape

She apparently released a sex tape, but says if you watch it without her consent or with negative intentions you are "Participating" in the rape. Also as a side not some people believe she may have doctored the video too.

http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/08/is-mattress-girl-editing-her-sex-tape-to-dodge-a-lawsuit/

I don't plan on watching the video by the descriptions of it, but I want to know how this turns out. With this I kind of think both people may need to seek some counseling.

What the actual fuck is she trying to do..?

I'm trying to make sense of why you would put yourself out there then tell people not to watch it/ accuse them of participating in the rape... It sounds like she is just asking for it at this point. I can't believe there are people actually backing her up on this.
 
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