^ I bet she'll believe it now even though that's exactly what I said, but just said by a woman. Inb4 waaa people are mean and still tell me I can't so I quit pursuing my dream job. I am getting really tired of saying facts and things that are true and proven and being yelled at called sexist banned from ns (that's dingo sorry true facts are too much for you to handle) both by women and people who have manginas.
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californiagrown
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13438649:nocturnal said:
You keep ignoring societal and cultural influences. The bubble where you live isn't where everyone lives.
californiagrown
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13438662:nocturnal said:
Says the white male born in a well to do family in america...
californiagrown
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13438691:nocturnal said:
And you don't see the irony in that. That should make people chuckle.
13438694:californiagrown said:
No I don't there is nothing in this country that I can do as a man that a women can't do. I'm sure there are a few sex is people out there that tell them not to do it but that obviously won't stop them from following or pursuing a career or education they want. obviously we're never going to agree so I guess this is where the conversation ends.
californiagrown
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13438697:nocturnal said:
Its just pretty ridiculous that you think society treats everyone the way you have been treated.
Not really getting worked up over it though because most people start gaining a wider perspective as they get older and experience more. May you get older, and experience more.
saskskier
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13438662:nocturnal said:
Not everyone can just go to school and do whatever they want. People and circumstances get in the way all the time...
For example:
http://www.newyorker.com/tech/eleme...-brain?intcid=mod-latest&mbid=social_facebook
S.J.W
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13438662:nocturnal said:
Instead of telling woman to cop it on the chin and deal with society telling you you're not good enough. How about we tell society to stop telling woman that they're not good enough and that their goals are for men and they should choose something more orientated towards woman.
13439347:nocturnal said:
Oh hey look a feminist talking about race issues. Get off Reddit and actually learn about feminism.
the.hellion.
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13438697:nocturnal said:
You also have full unhindered (barring financial) access to all reproductive health options available to you.
13439385:S.J.W said:
I was told I can't do things as well, being that I'm Dyslexic and have learning disabilities. I really don't see the point you're trying to make. Again out of all the girls I know in medical school across 3 diffrent states, and not to mention the others I know that are studying biology with the hopes to go to medical school. None of them have to deal with that so you're using a very specific example, that most women don't have to deal with when it comes to being a doctor. keep up the campaign of trying to ban the word bossy make that diffrence in the world.
also cool a YouTube video that doesn't equate to a protest and trying to make a change. but that argument with in itself doesn't matter cuz the point is we should try to make everyone equal not just give women equal rights give everybody equal rights and have everyone come together. the problem is you and the other pink names are defining themselves as a woman with a marketing degree or a woman who wants to go to medical school you guys are people trying to better yourself through education don't define being a woman as you are, and bring everybody together by being people trying to be equal because there are minority poverty-stricken males that have it way worse than all woman. now that being said they're also poverty-stricken the women that have it worse than White college educated feminists. you're defining your movement by gender which is very counterproductive to your cause.
13439395:cddlswthsqrrls said:
That's a minority group and about being gay not about being a woman, and men can't marry men in those states as well funny you didn't bring that up.
That Ill give that to you, thats a valid point I don't have that much knowledge of health insurance for woman but that is the one way you guys are getting screwed fully support birth control and pro choice for everyone. Way cheaper than having to pay for their kids and their kids kids. and yes even though it would cost more for medical insurance for women than men everybody in this country fully deserves to be healthy so kudos to you I retract that statement.13439413:the.hellion. said:
S.J.W
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13439447:nocturnal said:
okay first things first.
1) your primary examples of three woman don't equate to the majority of woman within school. Watch missrepresentation to gain a deeper understanding of how society tells woman to pretty much fuck off with any intelligence they have.
2) Many feminists are liberal as fuck, thus just because they identify as feminist doesn't mean they don't help out with issues of colour. Also, did MLK include feminism in his I have a dream speach?? Different social movements have different goals. You wouldn't tell MLK to focus on white issues so why tell feminsm to focus on issues of colour? Stop playing who's more oppressed.
3) Any MRA page I've seen on facebook pretty much doesn't focus on any other issue other than trying to outline the hypocrisy of the media against men. I.E, that 21 year old that had sex with an 8 year old and received 2 years in prison. Pretty much everything that comes from the MRA are anti liberal. I've never seen an MRA bring up gay marriage, trans right, or any other rights other than "wah wah I can't hit a woman"
4) If you support a womans right to choose and birth control then you support feminism.
13439474:S.J.W said:
Pretty stupid that you would compare this to MLK. A movement 50 years ago that fought against things such as segregated schools, lynchings, no voting and so on. So sure they didn't go into feminism. Then again MLK was shot before he had the chance to complete half his work. Which was going to include the fight against poverty and for women. Also it's stupid of you to say that since he supports one facet of feminism he supports all of it. I support the downsizing of national government, doesn't mean I support conservatism. If anything I'm liberal.
S.J.W
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13439481:Lonely said:
Yeah I know it was a shitty example and I'm kind of drunk atm but whatever beside the point. The point I was making was comparing two social movements against each other is stupid. Sure, they both have the end of goal of equality and you can support both at the same time. Also with regards to being a feminist FLOW CHARTS YO
13439474:S.J.W said:
I know more girls in grad school than you do and I've never heard one of them complain about this issue that's you're claiming exists. Show me some proof that it happens because I've also dated a girl in law school and have met her friends that go to school with her, they also never never had an issue. you are making quite a bold claim stating that the majority of women have to deal with oppression when it comes to picking their education.
MLK example you just stated proved my point. When MLK was alive those were actually issues like voting and not being considered property to your husband. that were solved by people coming together exactly what I just said.
MRA has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion and I don't know why you're bringing it up I never said I'm an MRA trying to get more rights for men.
finally because you apparently didn't read it the last time you told me that, I'm against inequalities for all people. Not banning the word bossy or stopping a tax on tampons.
S.J.W
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13439494:nocturnal said:
I have given you an example, watch the documentary missrepresentation. But you won't because you're just so biggoted and refuse to learn anything that contradicts your opinion on feminism. But I'm glad you know my personal situation on how many girls I know... I live in Toronto, one of the biggest cities for feminism. I've attended talks at Ryerson univesity, York U and UoT and listend to woman of how they're sick and tired of being discriminated against because of their gender, I've listened to how woman are told to fuck off with their "bossy" shit and "just be a woman". You seem to be ignoring the majority of how woman feel because you know a few woman who contradict the mainstream view of woman.
Okay, let's pretend social issues are like health issues. Back in 60's people were dyeing now fast forward to 2015, and people aren't dyeing but they're only suffering from broken bones. Should we tell them about how they use to die? About how bad they use to have it and disregard the breaking of their bones?
Also, you as a man don't get to dictate what a woman gets to be outraged about over a tampon tax or the word bossy. We've been over this and you didn't even respond lololol. Idiot.
Charlie_Kelly
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13439496:cddlswthsqrrls said:
And what are those again? I mean the ones with actual factual backing.
If we want to talk inequalities, why is that during a divorce women are usually granted primary custody of the children and men have to pay alimony? Talk about inequality.
Charlie_Kelly
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13439510:S.J.W said:
That's bullshit. There are plenty of fathers out there that are better at raising their children than the mother. And that doesn't answer the question of alimony. Why does a man have to give up half his earnings to a women when the man made the majority of that himself? Its fucking ridiculous.
13439506:Granite_State said:
I don't know how that goes but I don't think that is entirely fair. I could be wrong, but I think that might have come to be when women were the ones who tended to stay home while the men would go to work and such. So that would make sense if the mother would stay home and care for children while the father would need to pay. But that just is not true anymore and probably should be reformed to make it fair for both sides involved. I don't know how something like that could be changed but it would be worth considering.
Charlie_Kelly
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13439512:cddlswthsqrrls said:
Well at least you can look at that rationally. When my parents got divorced my dad had to give 50% of his equity to my mom, even though my dad made 80-90% of that by himself. So if feminists want true equality they should be opposed to any sort of alimony right? Because that is the definition of unfair.
13439515:Granite_State said:
Yeah that doesn't add up in my opinion. I mean, you lose custody of your children and then on top of that need to pay a ton of money to your ex spouse? Its like getting fucked over twice. From what I know, in most families both the wife and husband work so why should one be making their own income as well as some of the others? I feel like alimony is only really applicable when the couple was only living off one income.
S.J.W
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13439511:Granite_State said:
The purpose of alimony was to financially help the SO who was dependent on the bread winner during a relationship. Since woman are usually the one stay at home when a break down of marriage occurs then the SO has to pay alimony.
Don't like alimony? Get a prenup or don't get married.
Charlie_Kelly
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13439520:cddlswthsqrrls said:
Even then I'm not sure I completely agree, especially if the women is the one who perpetuates the divorce. The only time I think alimony is truly necessary is if the father perpetuates the divorce and the mother is a stay-at-home mom.
Like you said, most families nowadays have two breadwinners so the concept of alimony is retarded.
Charlie_Kelly
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13439523:S.J.W said:
Ok, but 50%? Nah fuck that. The man puts the roof over the families head, put food in their stomachs, puts clothes on their backs, all with HIS earnings. If there is a split his responsibility is to the children, not the wife. He should give them enough to live on at most, nothing more.
S.J.W
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13439527:Granite_State said:
Well in New Jersey for one there's reform to make alimony more realistic and more in tune with todays society, with woman working and shit. The current state of alimony is fucked up and needs serious reform.
And before you claim feminist don't bring up the issue of alimony.
http://womenformen.org/2014/08/25/is-alimony-antifeminist/
13439502:S.J.W said:
there's a lot of this post that I don't understand, bet me get this straight. I shouldn't base my knowledge off 10+ people that I directly know that are now in higher education. (if we're talking about undergrad college it's probably over a hundred) but what you base your opinion off is a documentary that clearly has an agenda, and a biased, and a few talks from people at colleges? Why don't you show me some actual proof because right now you're being very hypocritical.
S.J.W
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13439576:nocturnal said:
off course miss representation has an agenda, how does that take away from it's legitimacy? Any site that addresses how society values woman's looks over their brains and instills this notion at a very young age which carrys with woman throughout their life that they shouldn't pursue high career choices because it's not the woman thing to do or it's a man thing to do.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/quora/2014/01/11/women_and_beauty_why_does_society_value_looks_over_intelligence.html
Also, if you can't see racism does it still exist?
californiagrown
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13439587:S.J.W said:
Dood i know hundreds of blacks and mexicans who are in college. Obviously its just as easy for them to succeed. Gosh!
S.J.W
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13439600:californiagrown said:
Dude blacks and Mexicans aren't even oppressed in America, look how bad blacks use to be treated! They have it so much better now! What the fuck is with all this black lives matter bullshit? You use to be slaves, quit complaining. you're not even oppressed.
californiagrown
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13439603:S.J.W said:
shit, condi rice is black AND a woman. look at her. just look at her!!
blacks and women have no excuses anymore.
13439606:S.J.W said:
No I see you comparing the treatment of women to the treatment of African Americans. Again this whole conversation could end by you just posting proof, which you haven't done so I'm not responding to you. That news article was not proof. Show me that a girl in college is limited to her options of what she's going to do with her education over a man.
S.J.W
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13439609:nocturnal said:
just read this article
http://www.businessinsider.com/7-things-keeping-women-out-of-science-2013-10
Charlie_Kelly
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13439609:nocturnal said:
Im gonna go ahead and agree with you. At least for the college example, there is no way college girls are limited in any way to what they want to accomplish with their education.
californiagrown
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13439615:Granite_State said:
it starts before college with societal conditioning. Then there is the FACT that more than 10% of college women will suffer an unspeakable physchological trauma in the form of rape at some point during their studies. They are at a disadvantage. and CUNTs like mattress girl are the biggest barriers to stopping REAL rape culture.
It aint as bad as before, but that doesnt mean its all good and all equal.
Off the top of your head, what systemativ issues to males face on their road to a college education?
13439615:Granite_State said:
In college I haven't had a problem. I go to the University at Buffalo probably one of the most liberal universities around here so maybe that explains it? I don't really know. back in high school though I was deterred from taking Ap bio and ap calc though. Ended up with 2 girls in each class. In extremely conservative areas like where I come from, girls are held back from taking these kinds of classes. But yes, at least at my university everyone is given the same opportunities. I'm more arguing the fact that this stuff is out there in places. I'm not complaining about it necessarily. You guys are right, it's something to push through and overcome yourself if you want it bad enough. But that doesn't mean it isn't still out there. I agree with SJW, just because you don't necessarily see it all the time doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
13439636:californiagrown said:
we already had this discussion one out of every 10 girls in college are not raped. remember back in the beginning of this thread you thought sexual assault sexual battery and rape all the same thing.
13439637:Mingg said:
I'm not saying women don't have problems because I've have said before in this thread that they do. you have to prioritize and actually campaign and put your energy to making a difference on problems that actually matter. I think we can all agree that both genders are called names under try to live in a utopia where everyone is nice to each other is a waste of time and energy.
I'm very opinionated on this site a lot of people know that and it's because I do a shitload of research on the topic so I actually care about, and stay out of most sports im pop culture threads because I don't care or know anything about them. take the climate change thread for example I take that very seriously and you can clearly tell from my post that I know what I'm talking about. I have done a ton of research on this topic and I know what are actual problems and what are not. yep some people in this thread to go to feminist talks and read one news article and take it as the truth. it is so counterproductive to be stating problems that need to be fixed that aren't actual problems.
Charlie_Kelly
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13439636:californiagrown said:
What about the stigma that a male is supposed to get a high paying job and anything else is failure? We are taught to get the highest possible salary with anything less being unacceptable. I mean I dont see one systematic issue with women at current schools but please send some stats my way if you got them.
As for the rape thing, dont believe a word of it. With all the recent scandals breaking I really can't find a stance on that, especially since its been proven time and time again that college girls lie about rape, especially considering a vast majority of those claims come from girls who were under the influence of drugs and alcohol at the time. Plus, no offense, but like ZZZskiZZZ said you seem to think sexual assault and rape are the same thing so I really don't know if you are talking legitimate forceful penetration or a guy touched a girls boob and she claimed rape. Once again, more than willing to change my stance if credible sources are provided.
californiagrown
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13439661:Granite_State said:
I believe the stats ive seen based upon my own observations during college.
The fact that its a systematic issue of rape/sexual assault/sexual battery etc against college age women is something that you seem to be glossing over. Are women MUCH more likely to be sexually assaulted and/or raped than men? what trauma are college age men just as likely to endure?
And again, the systematic issues start well before college with sociological programming of girls.
As for the guys being told to be carreer succesful... thats a bad thing that they are told they are the gender that can and should strive to be career succesful? I dont see that as a bad thing they are encouraged to reach for the stars.
iH8pow
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Alimony makes sense in a way: giving up (or should I say, trading in) your career, your future and all that to be a stay at home is very risky. In my job, if I take just one poorly timed week off of work it could be the end of my career in this profession. Can you imagine not working 5-10 years? Might as well do college all over again. So it makes sense.
My question is, with the growing number of stay at home husbands since women DO have equal opportunities and are taking damn good advantage of it, what happens when the wife breaks off the marriage? Will the man get paid tons of alimony? I really doubt it, I feel like a judge would tell the man to get fucked.
I have a few friends who are stay at home dads. I haven't seen a divorce so I don't have any friends who have been fucked over yet, but it'll be interesting when it does happen.
Unequal opportunities and pay discrimination for women is bullshit. The work place is a tough place. My roommate has 3 jobs: one pays jack shit but has good benefits so he has health care and a retirement plan, and the other 2 are his money makers but they come with no benefits. You just have to scrap. It's bullshit, but it is what it is, both men and women suffer the same problems. Instead of focusing on the plight of women which creates a divide between man and women, why don't we work TOGETHER..just seems like it would be a lot more effective than turning all these problems into a gender war. I feel like that's what "the man" wants us to do. If we're at war with eachother/the other sex, nothing will ever get done. The day we unite and men and women work towards the same issue is the day real change will happen, but it doesn't look like it will happen because of this huge divide between the sexes.
"The man" is winning.
My question is, with the growing number of stay at home husbands since women DO have equal opportunities and are taking damn good advantage of it, what happens when the wife breaks off the marriage? Will the man get paid tons of alimony? I really doubt it, I feel like a judge would tell the man to get fucked.
I have a few friends who are stay at home dads. I haven't seen a divorce so I don't have any friends who have been fucked over yet, but it'll be interesting when it does happen.
Unequal opportunities and pay discrimination for women is bullshit. The work place is a tough place. My roommate has 3 jobs: one pays jack shit but has good benefits so he has health care and a retirement plan, and the other 2 are his money makers but they come with no benefits. You just have to scrap. It's bullshit, but it is what it is, both men and women suffer the same problems. Instead of focusing on the plight of women which creates a divide between man and women, why don't we work TOGETHER..just seems like it would be a lot more effective than turning all these problems into a gender war. I feel like that's what "the man" wants us to do. If we're at war with eachother/the other sex, nothing will ever get done. The day we unite and men and women work towards the same issue is the day real change will happen, but it doesn't look like it will happen because of this huge divide between the sexes.
"The man" is winning.
13439661:Granite_State said:
Fuck high paying jobs. Don't waste your life working a job that pays well if it makes you miserable. People should be able to do whatever they want without needing to prove shit to anyone. It's your life, spend it how you want to.
Rape is an issue that I believe should be handled case by case. It's not something to generalize considering how different each case is. Like to be 100% honest if a dude grabbed my boobs out of nowhere, id slap him and bitch him out and that would be the end of it. I wouldn't be stupid enough to say he "raped me." Accusing someone of rape that isn't rape is pretty fucked up and does a lot of damage to a someone's life.
In the mattress girl case, she's fucking psychotic. I don't think he raped her at all and this is just a cry for attention. It almost seems like she wants to be a part of a cause in a more personal way than most. So she acted on this to make herself look more involved and affected by it to make herself more credible?
iH8pow
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13439613:S.J.W said:
idk about you, but when somebody tells me I can't do something, it gives me that much more encouragement to get it done to tell them to fuck off. If people give you shit, tell you that you can't do it, and you believe them, what gives me any reason to think they would ever amount to anything in the work place where you need to assert your position and not be scared to be a bitch/asshole. (yes, women who speak with assertiveness are considered bitches sometimes, but men are considered assholes at the same time. It is what it is).
When you get knee deep into a career, your confidence speaks volume. You can't sound uncertain when you're trying to pitch a product or what you know--have to speak with confidence. I've personally been told myself in my own profession that when somebody asks me a question, even if my answer is 100% correct that if I don't sound confident then it's a red flag to people. Something to work on, no need to get all butthurt about it
saskskier
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13433923:nocturnal said:
If you take a look at article 130 or New York penal law (only using NY because that's where Columbia is and where this whole thing went down) the language for rape specifically says 'he or she engages in sexual intercourse' (in any of the degrees) and sexual intercourse is defined as "ordinary meaning and occurs upon any penetration, however slight". Because the language says 'he or she engages in' that leaves the possibility that both men and women can be charged. No, a woman cannot penetrate, however she can engage in sexual intercourse. Not hard to understand...
13439661:Granite_State said:
I don't believe that stigma exists at all. Men are applauded if they are successful, rich and powerful, but they are also applauded if they go become reclusive mountain men. Look at skiing. Yes, there are a few high paid skiers, but some of the most respected live out of vans and deliver pizza. Men can do pretty much whatever they want (be successful or not) without too many repercussions.
As for the rape thing? I'm willing to bet there are far more legitimate rapes on and off campus that go unreported for every illegitimate, girl-who-cried rape situation.
Also, the lines between rape and sexual assault can be pretty darn close. Again, from article 130 of New York penal law. Rape is vaginal intercourse. Criminal sexual act is oral or anal intercourse. Aggravated sexual abuse is penetration with an object. There are degrees of severity to all of these acts. It's not always a cut and dry situation, especially when drugs and alcohol have blurred what exactly happened.
13439685:saskskier said:
you're defining it by the New York State penal code I'm talking about a federal level not all states are on progressives New York level. As for the actual statistic if you look at the unbiased DOJ Crime Database. you'll see rape has been on the decline since 1995, and the actual number is on the most conservative side is 1 in 40. The most recent study done by the Justice Department in 2014 again an unbiased source puts it at about 1 in 52 not "more than 10%" seriously I would like to know where you getting the information for this number of more than 10 percent calli?