Hawx Ultra XTD

14006187:cydwhit said:
Talked to one shop that wouldn't do it because they worried Fischer would be mad, other shop has done it on a ton of boots and had really good success. So would say, come prepared to tip your fitter handsomely if you try it.

But also, always come prepared to tip your fitter handsomely.
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Hmm, even for reducing ancle/instep volume? Is the vacuume strong enough to alter the plastic under such high tension?

Nerdy thoughts?
 
14006893:n3vrast said:
Hmm, even for reducing ancle/instep volume? Is the vacuume strong enough to alter the plastic under such high tension?

Nerdy thoughts?
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Some shops just don't want to get into a political war about what can or cannot be used with other brand's equipment.

I don't have direct experience with Fischer Vacuum, but it won't hurt our boot. The pressures that are exerted on plastic with traditional stretching are far higher. Some shops just don't want to get into a political war about what can or cannot be used with other brand's equipment.
 
Hi One Nerdy Kid.

Wow thanks for continuing to answer all our questions.

I have a pair of XTDs 130s. They felt pretty good out of the box. My boot fitter did heat mould them after I was complaining of a very tight and cold little toe and also pressure in the heel box.

The heat moulding solved the problems in the toe area but I continue to get a lot of pain on the side of my heels - towards the bottom of my achilles. My doctor said that he thought the pressure on the achilles was causing the sack behind the achilles to swell and expand and then more pressure was causing further inflammation. I can see bumps appearing on my heels.

I think I am getting a lot of pressure and contact there and because the stock liners are fairly thin there is not a lot of padding to absorb the pressures of my skiing (I'm not particularly aggressive BTW).

It's got me thinking that perhaps I need to use a liner with more padding - naturally I'm looking towards an intuition liner.

Have you heard of this complaint from others and did they find a way to solve it?

My boot fitter also suggested taking a few mm off the foot beds to lower the heel - but I'm not sure this will really solve the problem.

Any advice warmly welcomed. Thanks
 
14007780:CaptainDuffy said:
Hi One Nerdy Kid.

Wow thanks for continuing to answer all our questions.

I have a pair of XTDs 130s. They felt pretty good out of the box. My boot fitter did heat mould them after I was complaining of a very tight and cold little toe and also pressure in the heel box.

The heat moulding solved the problems in the toe area but I continue to get a lot of pain on the side of my heels - towards the bottom of my achilles. My doctor said that he thought the pressure on the achilles was causing the sack behind the achilles to swell and expand and then more pressure was causing further inflammation. I can see bumps appearing on my heels.

I think I am getting a lot of pressure and contact there and because the stock liners are fairly thin there is not a lot of padding to absorb the pressures of my skiing (I'm not particularly aggressive BTW).

It's got me thinking that perhaps I need to use a liner with more padding - naturally I'm looking towards an intuition liner.

Have you heard of this complaint from others and did they find a way to solve it?

My boot fitter also suggested taking a few mm off the foot beds to lower the heel - but I'm not sure this will really solve the problem.

Any advice warmly welcomed. Thanks
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Hi! If you need more padding/cushioning/support, then you have a few options of liners to go to. You can go the Inutition route or you can speak with your Atomic dealer about ordering the more "traditional" liner construction found in the Ultra XTD120. It will definitely offer more heel hold and support than the current liner found in the 130. For next season, the 130 liner has been beefed up significantly to offer a much more supportive fit and foot hold.
 
Hey Matt,

Will next years Grip Walk sole work to replace the current WTR sole as a resoling option? Or did the shell mold change. My Xtd are working out well, Took a bunch of work for my princess in a pea feet. But being able to use some of the grip walk bindings I already own would make life a lot simpler.
 
14009730:Turnfarmer said:
Hey Matt,

Will next years Grip Walk sole work to replace the current WTR sole as a resoling option? Or did the shell mold change. My Xtd are working out well, Took a bunch of work for my princess in a pea feet. But being able to use some of the grip walk bindings I already own would make life a lot simpler.
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Next year's GripWalk sole will unfortunately not work on existing WTR boots. Going GripWalk not only required a new sole to be made but also a new shape to the bottom of the boot. The dimensions are different enough that it just doesn't work unfortunately.

But we will continue to offer the WTR sole as a spare part for when you need a new one.
 
When are 2020 XTDs expected to hit stores across Europe?

(my cracked 120 just got refunded and I badly need another one)
 
14012077:aanev said:
When are 2020 XTDs expected to hit stores across Europe?

(my cracked 120 just got refunded and I badly need another one)
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Some shops already have them but the quantity is very small and only sizes 26, 27, 28. You can check to see if the big/main shops like Sport Conrad or SnowInn have anything.

Serial production does not ship until late summer/early fall.
 
14012156:onenerdykid said:
Some shops already have them but the quantity is very small and only sizes 26, 27, 28. You can check to see if the big/main shops like Sport Conrad or SnowInn have anything.

Serial production does not ship until late summer/early fall.
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10x, Matt!

Need 25.5 so I guess I'll have to wait :). I just like both the liner and the flex of the 120's so much more - to me it seems more dialed and not simply softer.

Additionally, the 130's liner doesn't work quite well with my Sidas custom insoles (they are a thinner model - 3.6mm). Its board/base seem to be a couple of millimeters thicker than 120's and eats a bit of volume but enough to make it borderline uncomfortable. The stock foot-bed is paper-thin contrary to the 120 one. I ordered a pair Tour Wraps for the 130s but won't have them until mid April. Once I bake them, I'll report on fit and function.
 
Bought a set of 130s and had been a big change going from a dalbello 3 peice boot, the hawks skis amazing and are comfortable and hold my feet great. However when I flex forward/land switch there is alot of pressure on the heel would this be for the heel being sat 20 high/to low in the boot with a custom footbed?
 
14012469:FreezerKid said:
Bought a set of 130s and had been a big change going from a dalbello 3 peice boot, the hawks skis amazing and are comfortable and hold my feet great. However when I flex forward/land switch there is alot of pressure on the heel would this be for the heel being sat 20 high/to low in the boot with a custom footbed?
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Glad you're stoked on the boots!

Check in with your boot-fitter to add a strip of low-density 3mm foam on the back of the heel. This will give you a bit more cush without messing up the length or fit.
 
Anytime I tried to get high on the nose and butter in my Hawx 130XTDs I had this weird pain on my ankle. Can only assume it's from stock liners having come from a Lupo SP. Upgraded to ProTours a few weeks ago and no pain on my heel and much better heel hold. Can't reccomend enough, XTD 130s are a great quiver of one boot but stock liners are definitely lacking on support.
 
14013020:NigelStein said:
Anytime I tried to get high on the nose and butter in my Hawx 130XTDs I had this weird pain on my ankle. Can only assume it's from stock liners having come from a Lupo SP. Upgraded to ProTours a few weeks ago and no pain on my heel and much better heel hold. Can't reccomend enough, XTD 130s are a great quiver of one boot but stock liners are definitely lacking on support.
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FYI - Next year's 130 & 115w have an all new liner construction with tons of fit, cushioning, and power transfer improvements. Liners will also be available as a spare part for those looking to just upgrade from their existing liners.
 
14013145:onenerdykid said:
FYI - Next year's 130 & 115w have an all new liner construction with tons of fit, cushioning, and power transfer improvements. Liners will also be available as a spare part for those looking to just upgrade from their existing liners.
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Is the 2020 version (gripwalk) compatible with the Salomon Warden 13 MNC?
 
14013145:onenerdykid said:
FYI - Next year's 130 & 115w have an all new liner construction with tons of fit, cushioning, and power transfer improvements. Liners will also be available as a spare part for those looking to just upgrade from their existing liners.
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How would the new 130 liner improve a boot compared to the current 120 liner?
 
Cool. I'll see with my shop if they can order a pair for their next season's stock delivery then. Unless they're already available in Europe?

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14014082:BrawnTrends said:
Cool. I'll see with my shop if they can order a pair for their next season's stock delivery then. Unless they're already available in Europe?

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It will be a Fall 2019 thing.
 
Earlier this season I bought a pair of Hawx Ultra 120 downhill boots (size 28/28.5) and they were a great fit straight out of the box. No need for heat molding of the liner or of the shell. The closeness of the fit has definitely improved my skiing.

I wanted this fit in a touring boot for maximum downhill performance after a climb and on the basis of the very good reviews I ordered a pair of Hawx Ultra XTD 130 also in size 28/28.5. I am based in Switzerland and ordered from a Swiss internet retailer. I ordered the 2018/19 model with orange liners but what arrived yesterday is the 2020 model with green liners.

The problem is that the green liners seem to be about 8mm shorter in length than the red and white ones from the Ultra downhill boots and they are too small. My feet are both exactly 285mm long but my big toe presses against the end of the liner even when the liner is removed from the shell. I can put the Ultra downhill liner into the XTD shell and the fit of the boot is fine but that is obviously not satisfactory solution.

Is it possible that the boots I have are pre-production and the liners are out of specification?

It is unbelievable that a liner clearly marked 280/285 are too small for a foot that is 285mm long. Is it likely that the orange liners from the earlier version of the XTD will be longer?

I am sure that the 29/29.5 size in the XTD would be too big for me.
 
14021348:UnityHalted said:
It is unbelievable that a liner clearly marked 280/285 are too small for a foot that is 285mm long. Is it likely that the orange liners from the earlier version of the XTD will be longer?
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Interested to know what happened here, as I just ordered the 2020 XTD 130 liner. That would suck to not fit in it...
 
Just measured '18 XTD 120’s vs 130’s liners and indeed 130 seems a little bit shorter. In my case once I put the boot there is no noticeable difference in length perception. However 130’s liner seems to have thicker sole and I find my foot crammed height-wise if I use custom Sidas insoles (3.6mm vs 2mm stock foodbed). 120's liner cuff is taller.

Additionally, I tried different shell/liner combos:

1. 130 vs 120 stock – 120 is a little softer but much more linear and poppier. 130 (due to liner) is soft in the first couple of millimetres and then stiffens.

2. 130 with 120 liner – it feels very nice, stiff and linear. I’d say 135 flex (or trueish 130). Awesome option for bigger dudes. I would really enjoy that combo for resort use.

3. 120 with stock liner – my favourite considering that I’m 165lbs. Nice flex, preserves energy, poppy, walks decently.

4. 120 with 130 liner – didn’t even try it – it’s pointless for me.

I plan to put Tour Wrap in the 130 – stock liner simply doesn’t work for my feet.

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14022301:BrawnTrends said:
Well my custom insoles (cut for the 120 liner) clearly won't fit in the new 130 liners. Not sure if I should go one size bigger, then?
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In my case the insoles are exactly the same length.
 
14022302:aanev said:
In my case the insoles are exactly the same length.
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14022302:aanev said:
In my case the insoles are exactly the same length.
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The insoles of my Ultra 120 (non XTD) and Ultra130 XTD are the same length but that does not get away from the fact that the liner on the 130XTD is shorter. When I push my fingers inside and to the front of the XTD liner I can feel that the tip of the insole is pushing into the foam of the liner. This is not the case with the non-XTD liner

I have also tried fitting size 290 liners from a Dynafit Neo PX which belong to my son and they fit nicely in the 285 130XTD shell with plenty of space in the toe.

I am even more strongly of the view that the 285 shell is the correct size for me but the 285 liner has just been made too short for my 285mm feet.
 
14022436:UnityHalted said:
The insoles of my Ultra 120 (non XTD) and Ultra130 XTD are the same length but that does not get away from the fact that the liner on the 130XTD is shorter. When I push my fingers inside and to the front of the XTD liner I can feel that the tip of the insole is pushing into the foam of the liner. This is not the case with the non-XTD liner

I have also tried fitting size 290 liners from a Dynafit Neo PX which belong to my son and they fit nicely in the 285 130XTD shell with plenty of space in the toe.

I am even more strongly of the view that the 285 shell is the correct size for me but the 285 liner has just been made too short for my 285mm feet.
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Not that it explains why the liner is short, but if you need to, you can heat mold this years xtd 130 liner with big toe caps on and get cm length no problem.
 
Hey guys, for those of you who are having some liner issues, send me a PM with your email address and let's get it figured out.

I'm on a business trip until April 22nd, but I will try to get things corrected for you while I'm on the road.
 
Hi all - I have a Size 25.5 stock 120 liner from 2018/19 season that I've skied a bit and found to be a little loose for my skinny feet. I've ended up using a SIDAS liner with laces which I find better for heel hold during touring. If anyone out there (with the 130s?) would like to buy the liner at a discounted price, let me know! I'm based in the Tarentaise valley in the French Alps in the winter. Size 25.5
 
So, I broke a buckle today. Not sure what happened, but I had a big fall (yardsale type), and when I came to my senses I noticed that the lower cuff buckle had broken. Is there anywhere I can buy one of these quickly? I have moved the lower shell buckle up temporarily to keep me going.

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14028855:BrawnTrends said:
That must have been one hell of a tumble...
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Yes... you could say that. I also broke a pole.

I think what might have happened is that a ski edge hit the buckle somehow.
 
14013145:onenerdykid said:
FYI - Next year's 130 & 115w have an all new liner construction with tons of fit, cushioning, and power transfer improvements. Liners will also be available as a spare part for those looking to just upgrade from their existing liners.
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When will these be available? Can we order online?
 
14030133:trevorschu said:
When will these be available? Can we order online?
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For North America, new boots will be available late summer/early fall, depending on when shops want them delivered.

In Europe, some things have already available, but it was a super limited quantity and things are most likely sold out by now.
 
Just received 13 degrees backplates. Hopefully, they'll make the best boots even better (for my feet). Can't wait to try them :)

@onenerdykid - Muchas gracias!!!

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Hi hi,

How does the hawx ultra xtd 130 compare to the Dalbello Lupe Ti? I have a pair of those from 2016 but am having some volume issues.

Thanks,

Adam
 
Several pictures of 2019 XTD 130 stock liner next to Intuition Tour Wrap. Both liners are size 25 (did not size up for the Intuitions). Tour Wrap makes the boot a bit stiffer.

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So just could not resist the offer on some 18/19 XTD120s and bought some despite having the XTD130. The reason being I have a very low instep volume and after heatmolding the 130s the pressure over the instep was gone.

In total excitement over the bargain I received the boots today, only to realize that it`s been a boot on display in the store. The liner in the left boot was waaaay lose, I can tighten the buckle to the inner notch and still have less pressure that the right boot with the looses buckle setting. Also the boots themselves was unbuckled without the plastic covers on, it looked used tbh.

On the stores website it said nothing about the boot beeing a "on display"-boot, I will try to get a new pair, but I suspect this was the last pair of the 18/19-model. So finally a question for [tag=134699]@onenerdykid[/tag] , will the liner issue be fixed with heat molding the liner, ie will the left (loose) liner expand? Or should I go to war to opt for a replacement XTD120 (proably the current modell since they are out of stock on the old one)?

I am aware that the liner eventually will pack out and all that jazz, but after 15 years of boot hell I take no bull$!tt when it comes compromises on a brand new boot.

Also: Great podcasts with you and Jonathan, but they are too short. And for the next episode, could you drop some knowledge on liners? ;) Cheers!
 
14052073:n3vrast said:
So just could not resist the offer on some 18/19 XTD120s and bought some despite having the XTD130. The reason being I have a very low instep volume and after heatmolding the 130s the pressure over the instep was gone.

In total excitement over the bargain I received the boots today, only to realize that it`s been a boot on display in the store. The liner in the left boot was waaaay lose, I can tighten the buckle to the inner notch and still have less pressure that the right boot with the looses buckle setting. Also the boots themselves was unbuckled without the plastic covers on, it looked used tbh.

On the stores website it said nothing about the boot beeing a "on display"-boot, I will try to get a new pair, but I suspect this was the last pair of the 18/19-model. So finally a question for [tag=134699]@onenerdykid[/tag] , will the liner issue be fixed with heat molding the liner, ie will the left (loose) liner expand? Or should I go to war to opt for a replacement XTD120 (proably the current modell since they are out of stock on the old one)?

I am aware that the liner eventually will pack out and all that jazz, but after 15 years of boot hell I take no bull$!tt when it comes compromises on a brand new boot.

Also: Great podcasts with you and Jonathan, but they are too short. And for the next episode, could you drop some knowledge on liners? ;) Cheers!
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Glad you are digging the podcasts! We meant to get to liners in the last one, but obviously ran out of time. It will most likely be our main topic for the next podcast.

I would call the shop and tell them about your situation. The way many shops work is that online inventory is the same as in-store inventory and if your size is in stock then it is online. They don't make separate items numbers for product that is on display, since that could change daily. It just sounds like the one on display has been there for a while unfortunately and hopefully they can help you out with either replacing the liner or warrantying etc.
 
14052073:n3vrast said:
So just could not resist the offer on some 18/19 XTD120s and bought some despite having the XTD130. The reason being I have a very low instep volume and after heatmolding the 130s the pressure over the instep was gone.

In total excitement over the bargain I received the boots today, only to realize that it`s been a boot on display in the store. The liner in the left boot was waaaay lose, I can tighten the buckle to the inner notch and still have less pressure that the right boot with the looses buckle setting. Also the boots themselves was unbuckled without the plastic covers on, it looked used tbh.

On the stores website it said nothing about the boot beeing a "on display"-boot, I will try to get a new pair, but I suspect this was the last pair of the 18/19-model. So finally a question for [tag=134699]@onenerdykid[/tag] , will the liner issue be fixed with heat molding the liner, ie will the left (loose) liner expand? Or should I go to war to opt for a replacement XTD120 (proably the current modell since they are out of stock on the old one)?

I am aware that the liner eventually will pack out and all that jazz, but after 15 years of boot hell I take no bull$!tt when it comes compromises on a brand new boot.

Also: Great podcasts with you and Jonathan, but they are too short. And for the next episode, could you drop some knowledge on liners? ;) Cheers!
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14052313:onenerdykid said:
Glad you are digging the podcasts! We meant to get to liners in the last one, but obviously ran out of time. It will most likely be our main topic for the next podcast.

I would call the shop and tell them about your situation. The way many shops work is that online inventory is the same as in-store inventory and if your size is in stock then it is online. They don't make separate items numbers for product that is on display, since that could change daily. It just sounds like the one on display has been there for a while unfortunately and hopefully they can help you out with either replacing the liner or warrantying etc.
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i'd argue that the idea that a "display boot" would be any more packed out than anyother boot is stupid. A display boot won't get tried on anymore than any other boot as people don't just go and pick boot up and put it on their foot (unless this is some bullshit store that has no customer service and/or bootfitting knowledge)

even if it had been heatmoulded and then put back in the box, why would only one have been done? are you 100% confident your feet are the same size and shape, do you have the same muscle mass in your legs?

worst comes to worst just chuck a volume reducer in, as for it looking a little used, maybe that was the reason it was mega cheap...
 
14052706:JibbaTheHutt said:
i'd argue that the idea that a "display boot" would be any more packed out than anyother boot is stupid. A display boot won't get tried on anymore than any other boot as people don't just go and pick boot up and put it on their foot
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You'd be surprised. Typically a display boot for men is size 26 or 27- the two most common sizes. Chances are if a boot has been on the wall for two years (which is possible given that the Ultra XTD boots were carried over from the first year into the second), it could very well feel different than the other side back in the box. Shop kids constantly trying it on, customers giving it a quick test, etc. With a hyped boot that gets lots of attention, it's for sure possible that boot will get tried on a lot before it gets sold. Especially when it is a carry over.
 
Not to hijack the thread but I would say it’s very likely that the boot have been on the wall for two years. I am not american and the culture and demand for this boot is different over here than if it would have been on a shelve in Boulder Colorado etc.

And to you Jibba, there is no way I will chuck a volume reduser in a brand new boot, I’lø rather choose a different boot then??‍♂️

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