FUCK THE SWITCH 10

You could literally copy everyone's comments on this thread and paste it into the same thread responding to any pro big air comp over the past 7 years (just need to change the trick name). First off, the X Games Big Air "best trick" is made for a mainstream TV audience and its not skiing, its hitting a jump and trying to outdo the guy in first. Most people that watch also watch race cars drive in circles for 3 hours at a time, or a guy throwing a baseball over and over again for the other guy to try to hit. Big air is very similar. PRO BIG AIR comps with the judging rules set as they are, will never reward for creativity over difficulty, thats just the nature of big air. It is not the fault of the judges, which by the way this year they hired 5 new judges that are all about style, including Eric Pollard. The judges are just doing their job, if you do a trick that is hard and you do it clean then you win. A difficult style trick simply can not beat an easy stylie trick. Obviously the skiers should try to compete on a creative level, but in the heat of the moment with $10,000+ and a gigantic boost of your career within your reach... you're thinking this is my one and only chance and I need to prove I can out do this guy at his own game. (if you want to win) If the guy in 1st spun, you want to spin more, if he went big, you want to go bigger, if he had style, then you want to have more style. But the last thing on your mind is starting from scratch and hoping a totally new and different trick that hasn't been judged yet will be judged equal or better then the guy in 1st. There are plenty of comps that promote progression and style, but big air is not one of them. So if you really want to see the sport of skiing progress, go skiing and stop watching TV.
 
It is boring. They should judge stuff that isnt some crazy spin. Like a switch 3. I'd like to see a really goos switch 3 win.
 
I I I I fuckin I. And yeah... everyone was so stoked on rorys switch double back. Schiller was lovin it. I hate how switch 10s are the contest trick... and that truck drivers are the grab of the future. Just because i can't do good truck drivers.
 
Love ya J. lev, and respect you. However on this issue I disagree.

Simply for the fact that snowboarding does it different. They DO award creativity in big air.

Why can't we?
 
As well, I simply do not agree that a sw 10 can be as stylish as a sw 3. No WAY. Harder yes, but if we aggressively judged style, then the sw 10 would be less stylish than the low rotation.

The whole problem here is that people are saying "The sw 10 was sylie" Yes it was a stylie sw 10, but NOT AS STYLIE AS A SW 3.

If style mattered, there would be a higher score for the lower rotating smoother tricks.

Style does not matter right now.
 
When it's a best hit competition there is no chance of it not being a huck off. That is unless the judging changes
 
Sorry, but I disagree with all of that.

I would agree that our sport is supposed to be subjective, but there are many aspects of our sport, and subjectivity is appropriate in varying degrees with respect to each of those aspects.

For example, style is very important for photo and video shoots. Those are the opportunities where athletes experiment the most and unleash their creativity.

On the other hand, comps, by their very nature, cannot be so subjective. An athlete must know what will and will not score well. They cannot blindly throw tricks with no idea what it takes to win. You might as well not even have a competition.

Our sport has evolved to the point where it's accepted that a good grab (i.e., held long, visually appealing, etc.) is stylish. That's a no-brainer and few would disagree.

However, I don't think everyone would agree that the mechanics of a fakie 3 are more stylish than the mechanics of a fakie 10. Why does a slower/shorter rotation mean it's more stylish? We're getting into highly subjective territory here in which I would say there is not complete consensus amongst skiers. You simply cannot let this proposed mechanical style criteria be the win/lose criteria for events like the X-Games where so much is on the line. Believe me, if someone had won with a very stylie and huge fakie 3 yesterday, there would be a bigger uproar than winning with a fakie 10.

Bishop, you _may_ be right that fakie 3s will come to be seen as the styliest trick, but if you are, then you are too far ahead of your time. The sport is not ready for your bold predictions. Personally, I don't see it happening. Where do you draw the line? 180s? Straight airs? Will comps be purely about style. No way. I think we'll have to simply agree to disagree as to how to judge: a fakie 10 CAN be as stylish as a fakie 3.
 
bush's switch double back was insane, also idono if it was my tv but did it look like the heel of his binding broke
 
alrite weve seen a lot of switch 10s in the past years, so lets see more stylish lower rotations, which according to 99.9% of the people in this thread will definitly fix the problem and keep everyone happy.

the thing is there is no way that is true. in big air and slope youre looking for the BEST trick or tricks, if you want the most stylish and slow youre gonna need your own competition like Air & Style in snowboarding. no one can be serious when they say a switch 7 is better than a 10 when both are steezed to the max, it just doesnt make sense. also if the rotations are lowered ill guarentee that kids on NS and everywhere will continue to complain simply because these will be tricks that most of them can do, itll get them in the mindstate that, oh, a switch 3, what Bishop wants to see, won the US Open Big Air or X Games, I can do that shit, pros are lame, etc, etc. you could say the big spins should be for videos, but then they have infinite attempts at stomping them with steeze, in comps you have one or two, which makes it so impressive. This is the thing, switch 10s in comps seperate pros from the rest of the skiing population, they do tricks most people cannont, WITH style, even though lower rotations CAN look better.

unless the judging changes, which isnt gonna happen, why wouldnt schiller or anybody throw 10s, 12s, 14s, or whatever it takes to win, to please all of us? or would they rather spin a few more rotations, still make it look fuckin redic, and win mad $$$.

snowboarding went through a similar phase, 3 or 4 years ago you saw 10s and 12s winning comps, that kinda died down in the past few years, BUT shaun white still win X Games and the Honda Session throwin 10s down the whole hill, Andreas Wiig even went for 4 10s in his run at Honda Sessions.

so, even though we all like low, smooth rotations, theres no chance theyre gonna overtake the higher, still smooth, rotation just because they arent as good. this whole debate needs to end cause is not acheiving anything.
 
I don't hate the switch 10 at all, it is a dope staple trick out there for elite skiers. What I don't like is tthat EVERYBODY is doing them on axis and tweaking the hell out their grabs which is sick just unoriginal. As far as switch 10's go I would like to see switch rodeo 10, that would be crazy and more off axis cab 10's in general. Another alternative for these elite comps is make the jumps bigger and different to eliminate the switch 10, may be a huge channel gap, or a giant step up or perhaps a moto jump like in superpark 6, just shoutin' out some ideas.
 
I hate switch tens!!! god damn skiing is getting lame, I hope soem of you pros are reading this... you guys are fucking boring unoriginal bastards!
 
Did nobody ever hear of David Benedict (sp?) winning a major snowboard big air with a backside 180 double shifty? Did anyone see it?

I'm not claiming that it should win every time... it should just have a chance.

On the other comment above (forget name) yes snowboarders still do 10's and shit, but there is room for them to try other tricks as well. The contest is rounded out with all kinds of different tricks, instead of exactly the same one from every rider. That's more what I'm looking for than simply "Ok it's a sw 3 you win"

Like at the US Open, if any of you listened to my voice recording... Laurent Favre threw a cab 7 that should have won the contest. It was the dopest shit I've seen, and I would put it up against TJ's 1440. however, it was in an earlier round.

When gangier went against Laurent, he threw a 10 and Laurent did a 7. For whatever reason in that specific round, Laurent's 7 wasn't as good as gangier's 10. 10 wins.

It's simply the BEST tricks that should have a chance, not only the lower rotation.

This all comes down to a subjective opinion. In my mind, a 10 gets low style points compared to a 7 or a 3. It gets higher difficulty points, but NOT higher STYLE.

This would round out and even in the end. I don't see why people think that's such a crazy idea.
 
i love you. in a completely straight normal kind of way. lets not call it love. lets call it agreement. yea. agreement. whoa, who said agree on NS? RUN!
 
well from what i hear charles' cab 10 was bio and unnatural so that beats a cab 7 any day of the week hands down no question.

I have heard of that boarder winning some shit with a 180

and These guys that are throwing cab 10's they are throwing them with MAD STEEZE TJ's cab 10 at X true nose tweaked way out. Andreas Hatveit's cab 10 at X was styly And in most peoples opinion the best cab cork 10 ever thrown was at the '04 US OPEN Mick D, if that isn't style I don't know what is and if anyone says that trick is unstyly you have no bussiness being involved in skiing.
 
Does anyone read what I'm posting here?

Yes, that was an epic cab 10. I don't think it's unstylie, I would just score MORE POINTS FOR STYLE for a 7 with all the same technicality.

I would not score the 7's technicality higher than the 10, the 7 would get lower tech, high style. 10 would get lower style but higher tech.

Thereby equaling out.

The problem is when people are like "Whoa sweet cab 10... that was more stylie than the 7." Why forget about the 7's style?
 
I'm pretty sure Benedict won Air & Style doing a 180, but that was only the style portion, in my opinion Air & Style has got to be the best competition in skiing or snowboarding simply because if fuses style and tech.

I agree with you that snowboarders can do other tricks but im just pointing out what wins. Don't get me wrong I dont think they should, if Trice landed that dub rodeo 10 he def shoulda won, without any 10s in his run, i think it really takes something like that to beat the bigger spins.

On laurents 7 as the US open, it was dope, but TJ had to have gone just as big or close to it, with 2 times the rotation, still making it look good, there is no way, even if its the fuckin best cab 7 ever done ever is it going to beat schillers cab 14 that way he did it. I agree that laurents 7 definitly should have beat any other trick simply because of the size and style of it, but not the 14.

It really is subjective as you said, what in the minds of judges should win. And we dont even need to get into unnatural shit, cause charled gettin a 78 on his cab leftside 10 was redonkulous, and if pete o landed his cab cork right 10 he should have won, simply cause no one else did it.

I totally see what youre saying, skiing needs an Air & Style, one jump for style the other for tech difficulty, thus covering all aspects.
 
The fact is spin to win is bull shit......it is like the olympics......rules and judges who don't know their shit are stupid. Judges schould be riders.....the end.
 
Crichton was doing switch 10's in competitions 3 years ago back before strike three... lets see something new... i wish there was no such thing as 'the competition trick' fuck i wish there was no such thing as big air, its just like fucking aeriels, it doesnt show the consistency of a skiers wide variety of tricks... if someone wants to learn a switch 10 they probably could.. they would just have to try really hard and not do anything else, but if someone wants to learn a bunch of different tricks id say its prolly much harder
 
i think it schould just be comps like Orage Master's and the YGO. That is my most skiers now don't even do comps anymore.
 
Ok, true, then I'd have to say the reason it hasn't happened in skiing like snowboarding is because there are still too many tricks that everyone can't do consistently (the cab 10). Once everyone can stick the 1080 and a few more extremely difficult yet not creative tricks these spins will get boring like the moto backflip and we will be forced to come back to a creativity focus. Until then the big air will not have very much to do with creativity. Actually all the X Games may need to do is change the name of the event. Change it to a game of P-I-G and things are right on.
 
One more thing, I got to give props to TJ's cab 10, if was penciled out then no go on the gold but it was rediculously solid with style and grab the whole time and stomped it solid, he deserved to win for sure. Obviously no one else had a trick in their bag that was different with as much style, difficulty and stomp factor. So the only argument posted here should be pressure on the pros to throw some variety and the X Games to make time for slopestyle even if its delayed, YO!
 
I think espn should compensate the freestyle skiing industry, supporters, ect.. and televise another comp latter in the year. idk maybe the K2 Minigolf
 
seriously...this whole comp is a big joke. I thought that one of the biggest factors is the style. Doing the same trick that the last 15 guys have done is not stylish at all. And oh yeah that switch double backflip was so sick
 
Some one should have thrown down a huge zero.

That would have been sick. And Douglas would not have known what the fuck to say
 
TJ's 10 was not *that* great. It was smooth, yes, and he held the grab and stomped the landing; but he didn't go off-axis or inverted at all, the grab wasn't anything special, and he was still spinning pretty fast. For everyone saying that a stylie 10 should beat a stylie 7, that may be true, but rarely is there a 10 with nearly as much style as a good 7.

I was at the USFO Big Air, and other than TJ's 14, I remember Laurent and Colby West drawing the biggest reaction from the crowd, and they only did 7s, but they were simply oozing with steeze.
 
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