From A Real Christian's Perspective.

I agree, i mean its not that I hate gay people, its just that I love god, and god hates gay people, and I wish gay people would see that, because thats all it is.

Also, I wish people would hate on muslims more, because us christians are better (totally!), and i don't get why we don't just all come together and hate them as a united group!

Anyways, people just need to understand that being christian is about love, and doing things for other people (as long as the bible says its ok... obv!).
 
so, 6.5 out of the 7 billion people on this planet are going to hell?

and how do you rationalize the billions of kids who grow up in a muslim household, and because of this are muslim. they are the product of thier parents views, just like you.

I was raised lutheran, and in my conformation class, the pastor asked us why we were christians, and we all gave bullshit answers: "because jesus saved us", "because god wanted it" etc. the pastor tells us we are all WRONG. "You are a christian because your parents belong to a christian church, and brought you there to be indoctrinated. you had no choice in the matter."

I think religon is awesome, and is the best machine for doing good in this world. I just think the things that you are asked to believe are frankly outrageous.
 
This is the first thread on this topic that didn't turn into complete garbage after 4 pages.

Good job OP

Hopefully it will stay somewhat civilized.
 
four pages on the first day. this thread is going places. heres my input:

I grew up in a christian home where my parents had my sister and i attend church every week. I got confirmed in the church. I joined Young Life when i was 15 and really enjoyed it. my leader was a young out going guy that loved to have fun. we had weekly meetings either at peoples homes or at fun events. This later branched off into a deeper more bible-study group. This is where things got interesting.

Growing up i went to church and sunday school and all that, but i didnt really learn much about the church or the bible at all. I was very intimidated when my friends in the group knew all the answers to Rob's questions (my leader). I had no idea who ishmael and isaiah and all them were. We had a bunch of deep conversations that really made me think. I started to question my faith, and couldn't find answers.

Right around that time was Junior thesis, and i needed a topic. so i completely forgot to pick one, and when the teacher asked, i said Creation (intelligent design) vs Evolution. my teacher laughed, as she was young, fresh out of college, and an explicit atheist, and said 'have fun with that'. well i did. writing that 10 pager made me find the facts for myself on why I believe in God. I realized that science doesnt have the answers at all.

I became really interested in what i was researching. I never knew much about but always wondered how christians answered questions about evolution and how its scientifically proven. heres what i learned: There is a difference between evolution and Darwin's theory. Evolution is natural change and mutation. CHRISTIANS DO SUPPORT EVOLUTION!!!! THINGS HAVE CHANGED OVER TIME!! However, we do not support Darwin's theory of natural selection, which is often stated synonymously with evolution. natural selection states that genes are altered and natural

selection passes down the superior traits to the next generation. it also says that these mutations are completely random with no super natural guidance.

well unfortunately darwins theory does not work because scientists have found over 47 pieces of life, includining DNA and the flagella, that have not come from mutations and that must have been created by and intelligent designer. if u want to look into this, another example is the cambrian explosion of life.

This alone proved to me that science cannot answer all the questions, and that God has to exist, for he must have created this life. When i presented this, i brought my school principle and several board members to tears, and won first place in the school.

As the OP stated, the "christians" u guys rant about are fake. Calling myself a Christian means that i have a relationship with God and my job is to share it with others. No, i will not shove it down ur throats. In fact, u wouldnt even know i was a christian until u really got to know more about me. And no, I DO NOT THINK IM BETTER THAN YOU!!!!!!! I go to a Christian college now, and have twice been asked "how can u call yourself a christian with the things you do?" Yes, i do enjoy the occasional beer with friends around a bonfire. my parents are completely ok with it. im usually the DD. In high school, i was the good kid. here, im the rebel. and i hate it.

but to wrap things up, please stop being ignorant and completely bashing christians because you've seen a few hypocrites. UR COMMENTS DO HURT. if youd like to know more, please PM me and id be happy to talk to you or share my paper with you. it will make you think. i promise u that!
 
If you call yourself an agnostic, read up on socrates. Otherwise you're kind of making the wrong point.

Also to lighten the mood:
3rd Commandment:
Thou shalt have no other gods before me:
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We're all fucked and going to hell.
 
Well then kind sir I admit defeat in the grand scheme of things.....but godamn how about that mustache!

 
In my opinion the whole idea of anybody influencing your religious views is preposterous. i live in a very christian household with my mom constantly saying things about the bible listening to religious podcasts and i am so pressured to be christian that i am too them but really when i comes down to it i believe more in a mixture of Hindu and Buddhism. it can get pretty sketchy at times haha
 
but who created god? how is it any more likely that there is a god that created things as opposed to things eventually being created purely by chance and time
 
is it possible that god is simply there? maybe he wasn't created.

btw I don't necessarily believe any of this, just playing devils advocate (lol)
 
Thats a question that can't be answered until you can ask the man himself. The whole point is that man cannot have the answers. We just can have faith.
 
Hmm. Why not waste a little time.....Here we go

As far as the beginning. I was the kid that knew all the answers in bibles studies, youth groups. I knew the ins and out of all the topics. Could quote a shit ton of bible verses. My agnosticism is not for my lack of understanding of christiantity by any means.

You questioned your faith, but you always had those beliefs pulling at you and pushing you in a certain direction. It was always there in the back of your mind.

"I realized that science doesnt have the answers at all. "

Who say's that science has all the answers. We as people aren't able to even understand the complexity of some things. That doesn't mean that it has to be god. At one point people thought the earth was flat. We need to be able to learn as people.

"that have not come from mutations and that must have been created by and intelligent designer"

Doesn't come from a has to be b. No possible way it could be anything else. That would be crrrrrrrazy.

"This alone proved to me that science cannot answer all the questions, and that God has to exist, for he must have created this life"

It sure does take a lot to persuade you. Go back to the section where I was talking about religion always being in the back of your mind and you not really questioning it. This is what went down, and it's generally the case for most people. You knew that god was real, you went off on your adventures and "questioning" then just came back to what you already knew was true in the back of your mind. Just found better evidence to back up your pre conceived conclusion.

"Calling myself a Christian means that i have a relationship with God "

I have a relationship with god as well, and it's not the god from christianity, islam, judaism. I'm not much of a believer in the relationship with god thing either. I mean honestly I was convinced at one point that I had a relationship with god. I would pray all the time, we'd talk at all, it was pretty one way conversation but you know, jesus is a busy dude. I never had a relationship with jesus.

Does that make me conclude that jesus is fake 100%, no. I'm always open to the possibilities of being proven wrong. I do however believe that most people who believe religions believe it for the wrong reasons. At the same time I guess it's like medicine. If it makes them feel better at night then it's all good.

As far as bashing, I don't really feel I'm bashing as much as stating my case. As far as hypocrites, I've seen WAYYYYYYYYYY more than a few hypochristians wondering about.

UR COMMENTS DO HURT, then stop trolling.
 
we may never know, but until then does it make any sense to believe in something with no factual basis just because people have believed the same general idea for thousands of years before modern science?

and i wish i had access to ice cream right now, jealous
 
The Basics of Evolution: How it WorksWhere I live, the theory of evolution is regarded as being as truthful as the idea that the Earth travels around the sun. For this reason, I was surprised to find that a startling number of people still do not have an adequate understanding of the theory of evolution, and consequently attack it whenever they get the chance. To battle this ignorance, I have put together a simple article explaining the basics of evolution. I am not saying you need to accept it or believe it, but it is always good to learn something new!In an attempt to explain this in a simple, interesting and accurate way, I have decided to use bunnies as an example. Yay bunnies!
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all images by authorLet us consider this group of rabbits, mostly all black, but with some natural variation in colour. As with most animals, slight differences in appearance occur within the species due to the random mixing of genes and small mutations within the species.
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Now let’s consider what would happen if suddenly the weather got colder and it started snowing. Any black rabbits would be spotted by predators in an instant, and would quickly die. The slightly lighter rabbits would have a greater chance of survival, and may live to an old enough age to start reproducing.
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These rabbits who survive long enough would reproduce. The baby rabbits would have a mix of genes from both mother and father, and since it is likely that both parents are lighter in colour, there is a large chance that the baby would also be a light colour.Now consider the green pairing. The baby rabbit is a very light grey, even though both of its parents are a darker grey. This is due to an error in the copying of genes during reproduction and is called a mutation. It is fairly common. It is the equivalent of you having say green eyes when both of your parents have blue eyes.So now we have a population of slightly lighter rabbits than we had before.
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As seen previously, before the darker rabbits are able to reproduce, they are killed by predators. This means they are unable to pass their dark-coloured genes on to future generations of rabbits, leaving only the lighter coloured rabbits to reproduce.
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Again, the rabbits that survived to adulthood reproduce and pass on their genes to their children, resulting in the birth of more light-coloured rabbits.
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If this process is left to continue, with the darker rabbits dying out, and the lighter rabbits passing on their genes to future generations, the population will eventually be entirely white! Our black rabbits have evolved into white rabbits. Not by accident, and not by chance, but by natural selection. The rabbits did not randomly or accidentally evolve, they did so through complex, lengthy and defined process, changing little by little through each generation. This is in principle how evolution works. Obviously it is more complex than this simplified explanation, but this gives you a basic idea of what evolution is.Yes, I will concede that there has been evidence of mutation, but does that prove intelligent design? no at all. There's going to be exceptions, there is always exceptions to the rule, particularly at cellular and microbiological levels. Evolution by the process of natural selection has the most scientific consensus for a reason, because it's probably right. oh, and it makes a lot more sense than intelligent design.
 
Can you explain why you believe the fact that it is in the old testament means it is irrefutable/out of bounds to argue about in terms of morality? (I realize there are parts of the new testament that negate parts of the old testament... but the fact that an omnipotent "God" condoned completely immoral acts, as well as prohibited completely moral acts, at one point in time makes me believe he is not a just or loving god at all.) For the sake of argument can we say only the old testament exists at the time of an action? And use that as a scale to judge if an act is moral/immoral? The mere fact that the morality of an act significantly changes not even by context, but by time alone is ridiculous to me.
 
There is a lot about evolution people don't know. Your article explains some simple genetic principals, which really doesn't explain the entire natural history of life on this planet. My point is many people who accept evolution are misled, they substitute an omnipotent force of natural selection for a benevolent deity. Then they proceed to argue with some evangelical christian who beliefs in intelligent design and it sounds like the same type of shit they were arguing about in the 19th century.

Basically there is shit on both ends of the stick.
 
Unfortunately you're on the internet, so I wouldn't expect a mature or respectful conversation about anything.
 
You're correct it the part about the difference between evolution and natural selection.

Evolution and speciation are processes that have been observed occurring naturally and recreated in lab situations. There is no real questioning them, they happen. Where the argument come in is with Natural Selection for the Origin of Species. We don't know how life started and we have no real way of knowing. Natural Selection makes sense in that it takes a process that we know and have a general understanding of (evolution) and extends it back. However maybe god started the ball rolling. Although I personally find that unlikely as the idea doesn't come from tangible things I see in everyday life but rather is something that I'm expected to accept through faith.

As for flagella, some people believe they developed through an endosymbiotic relationship with primitive eukaryotes. This seems farfetched until you recognize that there are in fact eukaryotes now that use this same type of prokaryotic cell as a motile device in a symbiotic relationship. To say this natural selection is not involved with this theory is also foolish, mutations allowed the two organisms to live together symbiotically and eventually incorporated them into a single individual (over many generations). Due to their increased motility these individuals had higher fitness and were selected for, allowing them to outcompete other individuals and increase in number, as well as speciate to fill other niches. This is another example of taking what we know and applying it to situations we don't know. Again we have know way of knowing how the flagellum evolved, but if there are organisms using spirochetes now as a motile organ why couldn't that have happened millions of years ago? There is also a common theory saying that flagella evolved as an extension of the mitotic spindle, this too has evidence supporting it and could very well be right. Again this theory depends on mutations providing variation, selective pressure and differential survival.

Obviously the development of DNA/RNA is a far more complex but it is a precursor to life and as such Natural Selection is not applicable. That is like saying natural selection is wrong because it couldn't have created protein - protein was floating around in the primordial soup long before the first organism was created. You should realize that nucleic bases have been created experimentally using conditions simulating that of the early earth's atmosphere (similar to the Miller-Urey experiment we all learned about in high school biology). We don't know that this is how it happened for sure but if we can create it passively in an experiment with a (geologically speaking) incredibly short time period why couldn't it have happened naturally when there were similar conditions and millions and millions of years?

May these things have come about through intelligent design? Yes. Is that the explanation that makes the most sense to you/the one that you accept? Yes and there is no problem with that. Does that mean that there are no other viable explanations that have a large amount of evidence supporting them and have yet to be disproven? Nope.
 
And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

6 And God said, “Let there be an expanse between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the expanse “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.

9 And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so. 10God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.

11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.

14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

20 And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the sky.” 21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living and moving thing with which the water teems, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.” 23And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.

24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the ground, and wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

26 Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth,[b] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

27 So God created man in his own image,

in the image of God he created him;

male and female he created them.

28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.

31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.

sorry thats long but i just want to lay that down before i speak. you say you can believe in the big bang theory and believe in christianity. im sorry but thats not true. God clearly says in Genesis 1 (as i have put above) that there was evening and morning, the first day, evening and morning the second day. how are those not literally days? are you saying that the length of the day has changed that much over time? God says it was a day because it was a day. also, if you read the book of Genesis in the original text (hebrew) the word for day is "yom". now the word "yom" can mean either a literal day or a couple days, depending on context in the hebrew. now when we look at the context of the word day in Genesis one, it clearly states that a day consist of evening and morning, so from looking at that we can be positive that it means a literal day. but if thats not enough evidence, you can look at where the word yom is used later in Genesis and can see where it is again used as a literal day and there is no argument why it would not be a literal day. so how could the same word with the same context mean two different things? it cant.

im not calling you out, i just want to inform you with the best information i can give you. i can certainly go into more detail if you like but if you call yourself a christian its very important that you tell others the truth and not lead them astray.
 
Genesis 1The Beginning 1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. 3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. 6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day. 9 And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so. 10 God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.
11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day. 14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day. 20 And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.” 21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.” 23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day. 24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.
26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.” 27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them. 28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”
29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.
31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.
1st story: god creates earth and man in seven days
4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, when the LORD God made the earth and the heavens. 5 Now no shrub had yet appeared on the earth[a] and no plant had yet sprung up, for the LORD God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no one to work the ground, 6 but streams[b] came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground. 7 Then the LORD God formed a man[c] from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being. 8 Now the LORD God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed. 9The LORD God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground—trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. 10 A river watering the garden flowed from Eden; from there it was separated into four headwaters. 11 The name of the first is the Pishon; it winds through the entire land of Havilah, where there is gold. 12 (The gold of that land is good; aromatic resin[d] and onyx are also there.) 13 The name of the second river is the Gihon; it winds through the entire land of Cush.[e] 14 The name of the third river is the Tigris; it runs along the east side of Ashur. And the fourth river is the Euphrates. 15 The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. 16 And the LORD God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.” 18 The LORD God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.” 19 Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. 20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds in the sky and all the wild animals. But for Adam[f] no suitable helper was found. 21 So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs[g] and then closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib[h] he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man. 23 The man said, “This is now bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called ‘woman,’
for she was taken out of man.” 24 That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh. 25 Adam and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame.2nd story: God creates adam. The first man
These two stories aren't actually connected, as in the first one everything had been made, including man and woman.
 
... those simple principles govern the entire natural history of life.

the ONLY thing people dont understand for sure is how the very first cell came about. after that, it's fairly easy.
 
also: omnipotent force? come on. the first thing i thought of when i heard that was gravity. there are plenty of omnipotent forces/universal rules. that's not wierd! 0 kelvin, the strong and weak forces, if gasses are compressed enough, they'll become liquid. 3 states of matter that things will be found in (4 with plasma).lol, universal rules are everywhere.....
 
there's also TONS of evidence for these omnipotent forces, and NONE for yours.

so where does that leave us?

sorry for triple post, and great thread op! some of my favourite conversations have been discussing religion with christian friends!
 
Yes, one told by elohists and one told by yahwists. They do not necessarily contradict though and the origins of the different sources of the torah have given rise to all kinds of interpretations about the old testament nature of God.
 
Religion is stupid.

But, most christians I know are awesome persons, exept:

They just dont think about the existesence, the universe, life, atoms, nature, and how humans got here, they just accept religion and then they dont think more about it ever, and they dont go to church either.

They are just stupid and happy with it. Most of them doesnt know what an atom or what galaxies are...

They are hard to discuss something with, they dont have an open mind to other/new stuff, and tend to get angry fast.

No hate or anything :)

 
seriously, 10 pages? OMG, you must have covered anything. seriously, i wrote a 78 pager in high school on the meaning of life and its horseshit now that i look at it, and so is probably yours.

you can find sources for anything. hell i can now go buy a book where they say that the holocaust never happened.

from reading your post: be careful with sources, i did the same back in HS and if youre honest to yourself you may find out that intelligent design does NOT solve anything. it just ADDS another piece to the link: where does god come from? the funny thing is, two pages earlier, another one of "you guys" claimed that things can, in fact, appear from nothing (when talked about the existence of god). so funny that this doesnt work for flagellas, huh? and his source was aristotle, who was a brilliant head at his time and his theories can still be applied IF TAKEN VERY GENERAL and not so specific.

i always like to think about it that way: you guys are from northern america and you have a different connection towards christianity. but in europe, even in the most hardcore realms of jesus, NOONE thinks that intelligent design is true. and when you think about it, intelligent design is just a rip-off of the bible story which eventually some people realized that its not true. so they took basic science facts and bible stuff and mixed it up and the result is one ugly child.
 
I'm from Europe and Norway has the highest % of Atheists in the world.

Yet only 80% of 14 - 15 year old kids are christian, later they grow out of it and start thinking.
 
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this is what i am talking about. its a fucking cultural thing for "you". face that goddamn fact. if you were born in turkey you would probably be islamic now. probably still believe in creationism though lol.

religion is not a inherent feature of your soul (if that thing exists at all).

i might sound harsh, but you guys cannot believe how much i want it that there is heaven. a place to meet all those people you lost over the course of the years, where you can be happy forever. WHO DOESNT WANT THAT? but, i cannot believe that there is something like that. in fact, i would bet the life of this puppy that there is nothing like that if i had to.

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Just seriously....

There are so many things that is fucked up with religion and christianity,

how can you believe in it?

:D
 
like the twentieth valid statement in here. good luck getting on this dudes level to all the twelve year olds like, 'the bible is the best why do you hate me'..seriously you think ns hates you? go to the middle east and see what people think of your Christianity.
 
Sorry, you must be a bit misinformed about world cultures. Jesus is the 2nd most quoted prophet in the Qur'an (only behind Abraham, still ahead of Mohammed). Most moslems love Jesus and have no issues with Christianity. More fundamental moslems have serious issues with the pornographic (and relative to their culture, immoral) nature of Western Culture which happens to be predominantly Christian. But don't be fooled, even though you're Atheist you're just as much a part of western culture as the rest of us.
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/15/weekinreview/12wade.html

Not saying I agree with his research. He kind of rushed to publish the book before getting into any credible journals. But there is research to suggest a gene that predisposes us to spirituality. It is probably more of an argument for atheism anyway. But you saying "religion is not an inherent feature" just isn't 100% correct if you look at everyone's research.
 
this still makes no sense. So he created earth, but it was in the form of a dot along with all the other matter in the universe? In this context, there is no day and night, there is no light because all the matter is condensed into one small ball contradicting what the Bible says in Genesis. Clearly he put man and all the animals on the earth not through some explosion but though creation. Sounds to me like you are trying to fit the Bible into your own beliefs, hence making your own religion.

And he created the earth in 6 days and rested on the 7th giving us the Sabbath which is meant for rest, church worship etc. clearly giving us the layout for a 7 day week so I don't see how you think that 6 days creating the earth was different than 6 days now.
 
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