Does it matter if God exists?

I proved the inconsistencies in the Bible, and you called me on not wording the explanation to a rainbow properly, without directly refuting anything I said, and only pointing to another passage, showing the bible's contradictory nature.

Face it, you've lost. Nietzsche said God is dead, and I believe him.
 
Now there you go making illogical statements again. First off, I have never used the "something from nothing" statement. It is beyond cliched.

What I do is called making a foundational assumption. I assume that God is the ultimate being and power, and that everything came from Him. He has always existed, so therefore, He doesn't need a creator. He is accountable to no one, can do as He wishes, and is perfect.

Everything logically flows from there.

The further back we go with YOUR theories, the less logical they get.

OK we have incredible biodiversity today. Where did it come from?

An unrepeatably long period of unobserved evolution and adaptation.

OK where did the evolution start?

A single-celled organism which came from amino acids in a primordial environment.

OK where did that come from?

A huge explosion which, flying in the face of every explosion since then, created more order than it disrupted.

OK where did the explosion come from?

A collection of matter and energy which tightly compressed at the center of what we now call the universe.

OK where did that matter and energy come from?

...

You claim science. You claim logic, but you have the exact same problem I do, with none of the answers.

 
No. I never said that.

You said:

"I don't believe in God, so he doesn't exist. Period."

I'm going to keep going back to that, because it's what you said, and in that moment, you dug yourself a hole that is impossible to get out of without admitting you are wrong or trying to dodge around what you said, which is what you are doing now.

I have, and continue to say, that peoples' perceptions of reality don't affect absolute reality. Now you're trying to say that that was your original intent, but it wasn't. What you said was:

It's all perception, I don't believe in him, therefore he doesn't exist, period.

The structure of your statement sets you up as the arbiter of reality. That just doesn't work, because there are absolutes, there is a God to answer to, you know it, and it makes you uncomfortable. Right now, it's not on a level that you can even articulate. You're simply rebelling against an unseen authority which makes you feel bad. The root of atheism is rebellion.

 
You haven't proven anything to anyone. Simply turned away to nitpick at another issue when confronted with logical interpretation.

Colossians 1:25-27 (New International Version)

25I have become its servant by the commission God gave me to present to you the word of God in its fullness— 26the mystery that has been kept hidden for ages and generations, but is now disclosed to the saints. 27To

them God has chosen to make known among the Gentiles the glorious

riches of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

The fact is that you have no desire to find a logical interpretation of scripture, so God keeps it hidden from you, just as it says above.

I bet you would be the first to admit that the only reason you read scripture is to find fault with it, so why should you expect its Creator to reveal its mysteries to you by helping you to divinely understand it?

Would you show your own artwork to a person who you knew hated you and would do nothing but tear you down? It would be completely lost on them and a waste of your time.

You don't understand the scriptures because you don't want to.

 
You need to understand Occam's razor before you can claim all these things all illogical.

Claiming the existence of a supernatural being is automatically more illogical than any theory that is within the bounds of the laws of physics. By its very nature, God, a supernatural entity that doesn't exist within our universe is incapable of interacting with our universe.

You also seem perfectly okay with stating that God has always existed without even acknowledging the obvious flaw in that argument. Perhaps the universe has always existed? Maybe it has been an infinite cycle of expansions and collapses. How can you say that this is impossible but then go on to say that God can exist forever?

Everything logically flows from your completely flawed premises. How can you say that God existed forever, what evidence do you have for this? What evidence do you have that he is perfect and is accountable to no one?

Your argument is valid but not sound. It is similar to me arguing that "all people can fly, john is a person, therefore john can fly." The conclusion obviously follows from the premises, but the premises are clearly false.

You claim to have the answers, but you really don't have any. Your answers are no better than mine... in fact, they are even worse than mine, because yours are backed up by no evidence whatsoever outside of an ancient book.

 
An eternal being in a finite universe? Lol. NO. GTFO with your circular arguments and lack of understanding about physics.

1. Different environments with abundant natural supplies breeds biodiversity. That is one of the building blocks of evolutionary theory. And to answer your question, I refer you to our periodic table.
2. Evolution starts with basic materials. There are many different proven theories that show naturally synthesized amino acids can occur in everything from lightning strikes, to our Ice Caps, to primordial soup. Cell walls as well, which makes up archaeobacteria.
3. Big bang theory is not a legit theory anymore. Read my previous long post you fuck up.
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You have no logic, very shallow understanding of astro and biophysics, and you are a terrible debater with irrational arguments and commit several fallacies in your creation of those arguments.
 
Oh, and I should mention that in the ice experiments, it is RNA strands that are synthesized from elements captured within natural pressurized ice.
 
How can you possibly know that God is an absolute when you have no access to information gathered from perceptions OF that absolute reality? Based on your own argument, you yourself have no proof that God exists outside of written word, which is, of course, a very personal perception of non-absolute, third party origins and research.
 
Let me explain to you your fallacy:
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Admit you have no sources outside of the Bible to cement your claims, therefore you are clinging to this argument to justify your beliefs. You have committed a fallacy, so admit to it and learn.
 
Fine, but this zacman kid is trying to support his claims and calling everyone else's fallacies out with severely incomplete knowledge of his opposing debate party, so I figured I'd clue him in on his own fallacies.
 
Copypasta'd from my brother

There are literally thousands of religions being practiced today. Here are 20 of the most popular, along with an estimate of the number of followers:
  1. Christianity: 2.1 billion
  2. Islam: 1.3 billion
  3. Hinduism: 900 million
  4. Chinese traditional religion: 394 million
  5. Buddhism: 376 million
  6. African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million
  7. Sikhism: 23 million
  8. Juche: 19 million
  9. Spiritism: 15 million
  10. Judaism: 14 million
  11. Baha'i: 7 million
  12. Jainism: 4.2 million
  13. Shinto: 4 million
  14. Cao Dai: 4 million
  15. Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million
  16. Tenrikyo: 2 million
  17. Neo-Paganism: 1 million
  18. Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand
  19. Rastafarianism: 600 thousand
  20. Scientology: 500 thousand
[Source: Encyclopedia Britannica]If you believe in God, you have chosen to reject Allah, Vishnu, Budda, Waheguru and all of the thousands of other gods that other people worship today. It is quite likely that you rejected these other gods without ever looking into their religions or reading their books. You simply absorbed the dominant faith in your home or in the society you grew up in.In the same way, the followers of all these other religions have chosen to reject God. You think their gods are imaginary, and they think your God is imaginary.\
In other words, each religious person on earth today arbitrarily rejects thousands of gods as imaginary, many of which he/she has never even heard of, and arbitrarily chooses to "believe" in one of them.The following quote from Stephen F. Roberts sums up the situation very nicely:
  • "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
A rational person rejects all human gods equally, because all of them are equally imaginary. How do we know that they are imaginary? Simply imagine that one of them is real. If one of these thousands of gods were actually real, then his followers would be experiencing real, undeniable benefits. These benefits would be obvious to everyone. The followers of a true god would pray, and their prayers would be answered. The followers of a true god would therefore live longer, have fewer diseases, have lots more money, etc. There would be thousands of statistical markers surrounding the followers of a true god.Everyone would notice all of these benefits, and they would gravitate toward this true god. And thus, over the course of several centuries, everyone would be aligned on the one true god. All the other false gods would have fallen by the wayside long ago, and there would be only one religion under the one true god.
Think about that, if it's not too much to ask.
 
you can't pull the egocentric card on me... everyone in this thread already knows its you... haha
 
thats not true at all... They're God is different from my God, but I don't think they are wrong, I still believe they will go to heaven, afterlife, reincarnated... etc. It's what they believe.

They believe in a different form of a God than I do but they still believe in a greater being.

The point I've been trying to make is that just because they believe in a different God than I does not mean they are wrong, they just have a different opinion of what God is... They still believe in a greater being and therefore a bigger picture of life....

I just get pissed off when people say they don't believe in God and that the earth just formed on its own because I can't understand how people think that things just formed, something must have made them form and that is why over 90% of the worlds population believes in a greater being and the rest just live for their selfish selves; it is them who need the most help.

 
i actually believe the exact opposite, that statement is even more ludicrous the second time i read it.... those are the "posers" of religion. ... true believer accept everyone, especially people of other faith...
 
sorry dub post - but thats what grinds my gears most about religion, the human distortion and hypocrasy involved.... just isn't worth the effort... live n let live.... don't bring your shit to my door step, and i won't bring mine to yours.
 
You may believe the opposite, but the contract carried when accepting Jesus in your life is to spread the word of God. Proselytism is one of the main tenants of Christian religions.
 
Yes, because your brother is apparently an extremely valid and well researched source with NO agenda whatsoever /sarcasm.

I asked a simple question, which I still have received no answer to.

Have you, or any other naysayer in this thread, ever approached the Holy Scriptures, in the translation of your choice, with any desire to objectively seek whether or not they are true?

The answer to this question is, more than likely, no, so therefore, there is no reason to expect that God's revelation would be made known to you. You hate him, and as it says

Ephesians 2

As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2in

which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of

the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in

those who are disobedient. 3All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our sinful nature[a] and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature objects of wrath. 4But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions

 
Oh goody. Another cliched Atheist argument. Occam's Razor. I'm scared. That sounds sharp. I'm guessing you searched Wikipedia for that one too?

Here's an argument from Occam's Razor for you.

God exists, and created everything we see here.

That requires exactly one assumption, and reasonably satisfies every question I have.
 
Stop trying to act all sarcastic and above me when you clearly don't understand what you are talking about. God is not the simplest possible solution, it will NEVER be the simplest possible solution because it envokes the existence of a supernatural being.

This shit is philosophy 101.
 
For example, using your logic, i could say that the earth is held in orbit by an invisible string that is impossible for us to detect. Sounds a lot simpler than general relativity to me... it must be right!
 
Now you're getting into gradation of sin and a whole other theological argument which you clearly don't understand at all.

God is perfect. There are no gradations of perfect or imperfect.

God views all sin as imperfection, and therefore no sin can stand in His presence.

God also forgives all sin for those who are contrite and sincere and desire grace. They still have to live with the earthly consequences of that sin.

Who are you to say whether or not someone has truly repented? Do you want that job? Because if you do, then you need to judge yourself, your mom, your friends, whoever you are sleeping with currently (if anyone) and everyone you have ever known by one standard.

Perfect (life)

Imperfect (Death)

There is a reason God invented grace and freely offered it up.
 
Sorry i just can't help myself... i find it so amusing how you pretend to know what you're talking about.

Occam's razor clearly states that unfalsifiable theories should be rejected.
 
So if I am so stupid, why are you still here attempting to convince me and others that God does not exist if it will have no effect on either your or their souls/atmans/life forces for all of eternity?

It is really easy to continue to talk about how illogical I am and how stupid my theories are and how I must be a total complete retard, but the fact of the matter is that you cannot stop rebelling against the idea of a Creator, and more specifically, the Christian God.

Romans 1

18The wrath of God is

being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of

men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For

since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal

power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from

what has been made, so that men are without excuse. 21For

although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave

thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts

were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

24Therefore God gave

them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for

the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They

exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created

things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In

the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and

were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts

with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their

perversion.

You want to know what the wrath of God looks like? Look around. The wrath of God is you getting to do whatever you want and reaping the consequences, either in this life or the next.

I have all the proof I need. You can call me stupid. I can guarantee you that my major was a lot harder than yours, and that my GPA was a lot better, if you even bothered going to college. I am in the top 5% of the class of 2010 in the nation.

I don't bother challenging your intellect, because I am well aware that faith and intellect have absolutely no correlation. Jesus, who was God incarnate, was a carpenter, educated to less than a grade school level by today's standards. The fact of the matter is that you are fallen, sinful, and rebellious, and when God gives you strength and opportunity, you will either turn from that or you will not. It's that simple.

 
Goddamnit Zacman. Address my fucking posts. If you're not using the Tyndale translations you have no right to quote the bible. Modern bibles since the King James version have been steadily becoming more politicized. The most recent international version even went so far as the re-write several passages in Leviticus to suit their views. Don't fucking quote it.
 
I'll be happy to quote from any translation you'd like.

Would you like to show me where the NIV verses which I have specifically quoted differ in a theological and major sense from the Tyndale?
 
Either remitted or changed, here are 300 verses from the Bible from 7 different versions (excluding the original Tyndale - King James variations) that have undergone various changes:
THE SEVEN MOST POPULAR VERSIONSNINew International VersionNASNew American Standard VersionNKJNew King James VersionRSRevised Standard VersionNRSNew Revised Standard VersionLBThe Living BibleNCNew Century Version
VERSEDESCRIPTION OF CHANGECHANGE IN...Matt. 1:25REM "Firstborn"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCMatt. 5:22REM "without a cause"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCMatt. 5:44REM 12 WORDS "bless them that curse you..."NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCMatt. 6:13REM LAST 14 WORDS (For thine is the kingdom...)NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCMatt. 6:27CHG "cubit to his stature" TO "hour to his life" et. al.NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCMatt. 6:33REM "of God"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCMatt. 8:29REM "Jesus"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCMatt. 9:13REM "to repentance" (see also Mark 2:17)NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCMatt. 11:23REM hellNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, NCMatt. 12:6REM "one greater" TO "something greater"NAS, RS, NRS, NCMatt. 12:35REM "of the heart"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NCMatt. 12:40CHG "whale" TO "fish", sea monsterNI, NAS, NKJ, NRS, LB, NCMatt. 12:47REM ENTIRE VERSENI, RS, NRS,Matt. 13:51REM "Lord"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCMatt. 15:8REM "draweth nigh unto me with their mouth"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCMatt. 16:3REM "o ye hypocrites"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCMatt. 16:18REM hellNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, NCMatt. 16:20REM "Jesus"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCMatt. 17:21REM ENTIRE VERSENI, NAS, RS, NRS, NCMatt. 18:11REM ENTIRE VERSE (key verse)NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NCMatt. 18:26REM and worshipped him (for Jesus)NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, NCMatt. 19:9REM LAST 11 WORDSNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCMatt. 19:17CHG "Why callest thou me good" TO "Why do you ask me about what is good"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NCMatt. 19:17REM "God"NI, NAS, RS, NRSMatt. 20:7REM "and whatsoever is right that shall ye receive"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCMatt. 20:16REM "for many be called but few chosen"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCMatt. 20:20CHG "worshipping him" TO "kneeling down"NI, NAS, RS, NRSMatt. 20:22REM 12 WORDS "baptized with Christ's baptism"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCMatt. 21:44REM ENTIRE VERSENI, RS, NRS, NCMatt. 23:14REM ENTIRE VERSENI, NAS, RS, NRS, NCMatt. 23:33CHG damnation TO condemn, et. al.NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NCMatt. 24:36ADD "nor the Son"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCMatt. 24:36CHG "my Father" TO "the Father"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCMatt. 25:13REM "wherein the Son of man cometh"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LBMatt. 27:35REM LAST 25 WORDSNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCMatt. 27:54CHG "the Son of God" TO "a son of God"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCMatt. 28:2REM "from the door"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCMatt. 28:9REM "And as they went to tell his disciples"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCMark 1:1REM the Son of GodNI, NAS, RS, NRS, NCMark 1:2CHG "prophets" TO "Isaiah" (blatant LIE)NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCMark 1:14REM "of the kingdom" (gospel ... of God)NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCMark 1:31REM "immediately"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCMark 2:17REM "to repentance"NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, NCMark 3:29CHG "eternal damnation" TO "eternal sin", et al.NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NCMark 6:11REM LAST 23 WORDSNI, NAS, RS, NRS, NCMark 7:8REM LAST 15 WORDSNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCMark 7:16REM ENTIRE VERSENI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCMark 9:24REM "Lord" (refers to Jesus)NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCMark 9:44REM ENTIRE VERSE (about hell)NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCMark 9:46REM ENTIRE VERSE (about hell)NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCMark 9:49REM "and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCMark 10:21REM "take up the cross"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCMark 10:24REM "for them that trust in riches"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NCMark 11:10REM "that cometh in the name of the LordNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCMark 11:26REM ENTIRE VERSENI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCMark 12:23REM "when they shall rise"NI, RS, NRS, LB,Mark 12:40CHG greater damnation TO punished most severely", greater condemnation"NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NCMark 13:6CHG I am Christ TO I am He, the OneNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NCMark 13:14REM "spoken of by Daniel the prophet"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCMark 13:33REM "and pray"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCMark 14:68REM "and the cock crew"NI, NAS, RSMark 15:28REM ENTIRE VERSENI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCMark 16:9-20REM ENTIRE LAST 12 VERSES of Mark 16!NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCLuke 1:28REM "blessed art thou among women"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCLuke 2:14CHG good will toward men TO to men on whom his favor rests"et alNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCLuke 2:22CHG "her" TO "their" (makes Jesus a sinner)NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NCLuke 2:33CHG "Joseph" TO "his father" (attacks virgin birth)NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NCLuke 2:43CHG "Joseph and his mother" TO "parents"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCLuke 4:4REM "but by every word of God"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCLuke 4:8REM "get thee behind me, Satan"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCLuke 4:18REM 8 WORDS "he hath sent me to heal..."NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NCLuke 4:41REM "Christ"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCLuke 6:48CHG "founded upon a rock" TO "well built"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCLuke 9:54REM "even as Elijah did"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCLuke 9:55REM 9 WORDS "ye know not what manner of spirit..."NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCLuke 9:56REM FIRST 16 WORDS For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them."NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCLuke 9:57REM LordNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCLuke 10:15REM hellNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, NCLuke 11:2REM 15 WORDS from Lords prayerNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCLuke 11:4REM but deliver us from evil (Lord's prayer)NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCLuke 11:29REM "the prophet"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCLuke 16:23REM "hell"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCLuke 17:36REM ENTIRE VERSENI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCLuke 21:4REM "cast in unto the offerings of God"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCLuke 21:8CHG I am Christ TO I am He, the OneNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NCLuke 22:64REM "they struck him on the face"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NCLuke 23:17REM ENTIRE VERSENI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCLuke 23:38REM "letters of Greek,Latin, Hebrew"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCLuke 23:42REM "Lord" (thief on the cross - getting saved!)NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCLuke 24:6REM "He is not here, but is risen"RS, NRSLuke 24:49REM "of Jerusalem"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LBJohn 1:14, 18REM "begotten"(refers to Jesus)NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCJohn 1:27REM "is preferred before me"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCJohn 3:13REM "which is in heaven" (refers to Jesus)NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCJohn 3:15REM "should not perish" (believeth in him...)NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCJohn 3:16REM "begotten"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCJohn 3:18REM "begotten"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCJohn 4:24CHG God is a Spirit TO God is SpiritNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NCJohn 4:42REM "the Christ"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCJohn 5:3REM LAST 7 WORDSNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCJohn 5:4REM ENTIRE VERSENI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCJohn 5:16REM "and sought to slay him"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCJohn 5:29CHG damnation TO condemn, judgementNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NCJohn 6:47REM "on Me" (He that believeth...)NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NCJohn 6:69CHG "Christ, the Son of the living God" TO "Holy One of God"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCJohn 7:53-8:11REM VERSES 7:53 - 8:11NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCJohn 8;9REM "being convicted by their own conscience"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCJohn 8:47REM "heareth God's words" TO "hears what God says"NI, NCJohn 8:59REM LAST 10 WORDS "going through the midst...NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCJohn 9:4CHG "I must work the works" TO "We must work the works"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCJohn 9:35CHG "Son of God" TO Son of Man , MessiahNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCJohn 11:41REM "For the place where the dead was laid"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCJohn 14:2CHG "mansions" TO "rooms", "dwelling places"NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NCJohn 14:16CHG Comforter TO Helper, Counselor, et. al.NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, NCJohn 16:16REM "because I go to the Father"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCJohn 17:12REM "in the world"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCActs 1:3CHG "infallible" TO "convincing" et al.NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCActs 2:30REM "he would raise up ChristNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCActs 2:31REM "hell"NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, NCActs 2:38CHG remission of sins TO forgiveness of sinsNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCActs 4:27,30CHG "holy child" TO "holy servant" (attacks deity)NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NCActs 7:30REM "of the Lord" (angel of the Lord)NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCActs 7:37REM "Him shall ye hear"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCActs 8:37REM ENTIRE VERSE (major salvation verse)NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCActs 9:5REM "it is hard for thee to kick against the pricksNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCActs 10:6REM "he shall tell thee what thou oughtest to do"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCActs 15:11REM "Christ"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCActs 15:18CHG beginning of the world TO ...eternity, ...agesNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NCActs 15:34REM ENTIRE VERSENI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCActs 16:31REM "Christ" (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ)NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCActs 17:16CHG "stirred" TO "provoked", distressed et al.NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NCActs 17:22CHG "Mars Hill" TO" Areopagus"NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, NCActs 17:22REM "superstitious" TO "religious"NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NCActs 17:26REM "blood"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCActs 17:29CHG Godhead TO Divine Nature , divine beingNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NCActs 19:35REM worshipperNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NCActs 20:21REM ChristNI, NRS, NCActs 20:24REM "none of these things move me. . ."NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCActs 20:25REM "of God"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LBActs 23:9REM "let us not fight against God"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCActs 24:7REM ENTIRE VERSENI, NAS, RS, NRS, NCActs 24:14CHG heresy TO sectNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LBActs 24:15REM "of the dead" (Resurrection)NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LBActs 28:16REM 11 WORDSNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCActs 28:29REM ENTIRE VERSENI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCRomans 1:3REM "Jesus Christ our Lord"NI, NAS, RS, NRSRomans 1:16REM "of Christ" (gospel of Christ)NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NCRomans 1:18CHG "hold the truth" TO "suppress the truth"NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NCRomans 1:25CHG "changed the truth" TO "exchanged the truth"NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NCRomans 1:29REM "fornication"NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NCRomans 5:8CHG commendeth to demonstrates , et al.NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NCRomans 6:8CHG we be dead TO we diedNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NCRomans 6:11REM our LordNI, NAS, RS, NRS, NCRomans 8:1REM LAST 10 WORDSNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCRomans 9:28REM "in righteousness"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCRomans 10:15REM LAST 9 WORDSNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCRomans 10:17CHG "word of God" TO word of ChristNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCRomans 11:6REM "LAST 18 WORDS ARE OMITTED"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCRomans 13:2CHG damnation TO judgment et al.NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NCRomans 13:9REM "Thou shall not bear false witness"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCRomans 14:6REM 15 WORDSNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCRomans 14:10CHG "the judgement seat of Christ" TO "God's judgment seat" et al.NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCRomans 14:21REM "or is offended, or is made weak"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCRomans 14:23CHG damned TO condemnedNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NCRomans 15:8REM JesusNI, NAS, RS, NRS, NCRomans 15:19REM "of God"NI, NAS, RS, LB, NCRomans 15:29REM "of the gospel"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCRomans 16:18CHG good words and fair speeches TO smooth talk and flatteryNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NCRomans 16:24REM ENTIRE VERSENI, NAS, RS, NRS, NCI Cor. 1:21CHG "foolishness of preaching" TO "foolishness of the message preached"NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NCI Cor. 1:22REM "require" TO "request", ask (Jews require a sign)NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NCI Cor. 5:4REM "Christ" (TWICE)NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCI Cor. 5:7REM "for us" (Christ sacrificed)NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NCI Cor. 6:9CHG effeminate TO male prostitutes et al.NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NCI Cor. 6:20REM "and in your spirit, which are God's"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NCI Cor. 7:5REM "fasting" (with prayer)NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCI Cor. 7:39REM "by the law" (The wife is bound)NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCI Cor. 9:1REM "Christ"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCI Cor. 9:27CHG "I keep my body" TO "I beat my body" et al.NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCI Cor. 9:27CHG "castaway" TO "disqualified" et al.NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NCI Cor. 10:28REM LAST 10 WORDS ("the earth is the Lord's...")NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCI Cor. 11:11REM "in the Lord"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCI Cor. 11:24REM "take eat . . . broken..." (Lord's Supper)NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCI Cor. 11:29CHG damnation TO judgment (Lord s Supper)NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NCI Cor. 11:29REM "unworthily"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NCI Cor. 14:33CHG "author of confusion" TO "a God of disorder" et al.NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCI Cor. 15:47CHG Lord from heaven TO man from heavenNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCI Cor. 15:55CHG "grave" TO "Hades", deathNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NCI Cor. 16:22REM "Jesus Christ"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCI Cor. 16:23REM "Christ"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC2 Cor. 2:10CHG "person of Christ" TO "presence of Christ"NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC2 Cor. 2:17CHG "corrupt" TO "peddle", sell (word of God)NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC2 Cor.4:6REM "Jesus"NI, NAS, RS, LB, NC2 Cor. 4:10REM "the Lord"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC2 Cor. 5:17CHG "creature" TO "creation"NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC2 Cor. 5:18REM "Jesus"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC2 Cor.10:5CHG "Casting down imaginations" TO "We demolish arguments" et al.NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC2 Cor.11:6CHG rude in speech TO untrained in speechNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC2 Cor.11:31REM "Christ"NI, NAS, RS, NRSGal. 2:20REM "nevertheless I LBe"NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NCGal. 3:1REM that ye should not obey the truthNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCGal.3:17REM "in Christ" (confirmed...of God in Christ)NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCGal. 4:7REM "through Christ" (heir of God through Christ)NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCGal. 5:4CHG "no effect" TO "estranged from", alienatedNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NCGal. 6:15REM "For in Christ Jesus"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCGal. 6:17REM "the Lord"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCEphesians 1:6REM "accepted in the beloved"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCEphesians 3:9REM "by Jesus Christ" (who created all things by)NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCEphesians 3:14REM "of our Lord Jesus Christ"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCEphesians 5:9CHG fruit of the Spirit TO fruit of the lightNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCEphesians 5:30REM "of his flesh, and of his bones"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCPhilippians 2:6CHG "thought it not robbery to be equal with God TO did not consider equality with God something to be grasped et al.NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NCPhilippians 2:7CHG "made" TO "emptied"NAS, RS, NRS, LB,Philippians 3:8CHG dung TO rubbish , trashNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NCPhilippians 3:16REM LAST 13 WORDSNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCPhilippians 4:13CHG through Christ TO through himNI, NAS, RS, NRSColossians 1:2REM "and the Lord Jesus Christ"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCColossians 1:14REM "through His blood" (redemption through...)NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NCColossians 1:28REM "Jesus"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCColossians 3:6REM "on the children of disobedience"NI, NAS, RS, LB, NC1 Thess. 1:1REM LAST 9 WORDS (from God our father...)NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC1 Thess. 2:19REM "Christ"NI, NAS, RS, NRS1 Thess. 3:11REM "Christ"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC1 Thess. 3:13REM "Christ"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC1 Thess. 5:22CHG "all appearance of evil" TO "every form of evil"NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC2 Thess. 1:8REM "Christ"NI, NAS, RS, NRS2 Thess. 1:12REM ChristNI, NAS, RS, NRS1 Timothy 1:1REM LordNI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC1 Timothy 1:17REM "wise" (the only wise God)NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC1 Timothy 2:7REM "in Christ" (...the truth in Christ)NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC1 Timothy 3:16CHG "God" TO "he" (God manifest in the flesh)NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC1 Timothy 4:12REM "in spirit"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC1 Timothy 5:21REM LordNI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC1 Timothy 6:1CHG blasphemed TO spoken against et al.NI, NAS, RS, LB, NC1 Timothy 6:5CHG gain is godliness TO godliness is a means of gain et al.NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC1 Timothy 6:5REM "from such withdraw thyself"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC1 Timothy 6:10CHG "root of all evil" TO "root of all kinds of evil"NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC1 Timothy 6:19CHG "eternal life" TO "the life that is truly life"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC1 Timothy 6:20CHG "science" TO "knowledge"NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC2 Timothy 1:11REM "of the gentiles"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC2 Timothy 2:15REM "study" (only command to study the word)NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC2 Timothy 3:3CHG of those that are good TO goodNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, NC2 Timothy 4:1REM "the Lord"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC2 Timothy 4:22REM "Jesus Christ"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NCHebrews 1:3CHG "by himself purged our sins" TO "provided purification for sins"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NCHebrews 2:7REM LAST 10 WORDS (and didst set him over the works...)NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCHebrews 3:1REM "Christ Jesus" (High Priest of our...)NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCHebrews 7:21REM "after the order of Melchisedec"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NCHebrews 10:34REM "in heaven" (ye have in heaven a better)NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NCHebrews 11:11REM "was delivered of a child"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCJames 5:16CHG "faults" TO "sins"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC1 Peter 1:22REM "through the Spirit"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC1 Peter 2:2REM "of the word" (sincere milk of the word)NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC1 Peter 2:2CHG "grow thereby" TO "grow up in your salvation"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC1 Peter 3:15CHG the Lord God TO Christ as Lord et al.NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC1 Peter 4:1REM "for us" (Christ hath suffered for us)NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC1 Peter 4:14REM LAST 15 WORDSNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC1 Peter 5:10REM "Jesus"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC1 Peter 5:11REM "glory (to Him be glory and dominion)NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC1 Peter 5:14REM JesusNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC2 Peter 2:1CHG damnable TO destructiveNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC2 Peter 2:17REM "for ever" (darkness is reserved for ever)NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC2 Peter 3:9REM "us" TO "you"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC1 John 1:7REM "Christ"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC1 John 3:16REM "of God" (love of God)NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC1 John 4:3REM "Christ is come in the flesh" (antichrist)NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC1 John 4:9REM "begotten"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC1 John 4:19REM him (We love him, because he first...)NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC1 John 5:7REM LAST 15 WORDSNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC1 John 5:8REM FIRST 9 WORDSNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC1 John 5:13REM LAST 13 WORDSNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC1 John 5:13ADD continue to (denys eternal security)NKJ2 John 1:3REM the LordNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCJude 1:25REM "wise" (Referring to God)NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCRev. 1:8REM "the beginning and the ending"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NCRev. 1:9REM Christ (TWICE)NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCRev. 1:11REM "I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last .NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NCRev. 1:18REM hellNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, NCRev. 2:13CHG Satan's seat TO Satan s throneNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NCRev. 2:15REM "which thing I hate"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCRev. 5:14REM "Him that liveth for ever and ever"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCRev. 6:8REM HellNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, NCRev. 6:17CHG his wrath TO their wrathNI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCRev. 8:13CHG "angel" TO "eagle"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCRev. 11:15CHG "kingdoms" TO "kingdom"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCRev. 11:17REM "and art to come"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCRev. 12:12REM "inhabiters of"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NCRev. 12:17REM "Christ"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCRev. 14:5REM "before the throne of God"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCRev. 15:3CHG King of saints TO King of the ages et al.NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCRev. 16:5REM and shalt be (refers to deity of Jesus)NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCRev. 16:7CHG And I heard another out of the altar say TO And I heard the altar respondNI, NAS, RS, NRSRev. 16:17REM "of heaven"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NCRev. 20:9REM "from God out of"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NCRev. 20:12CHG "God" TO "throne"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NCRev. 20:13REM hellNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NCRev. 20:14REM hellNI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, NCRev. 21:24REM "of them which are saved"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCRev. 22:14CHG "do his commandments" TO "wash their robes"NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NCRev. 22:21REM ChristNI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC
 
Fuck, well here's the link - http://www.av1611.org/biblecom.html
I suggest you look up more info on the differences between the Wycliffe and Tyndale versions of the bible. As well as the differences between the 7 popular editions, as well as the politicized versions (the most recent international is a great source - they changed some passages to include the term "homosexuality" lol).
The fact is, you are getting a perverted word of God until you read the original Latin transcriptions. By no accounts should we use scripture in these debates until you can translate directly from the correct sources.
 
So an idiot thought he was the son of God? Shocking.

What worries me is that the world is filled with sheep like you who are unwilling to change even in the face of undeniable logic. Every four years, the pea-brained American people elect another one of you idiots to the presidency. It's ridiculous; we have people who believe everything they are told leading millions of people.
 
But frankly, I don't see how you can be so blatantly close minded about your faith. I believe in the possibility of a God or supreme being that has the capability to manipulate matter. I don't see how you can still support a God that made us in HIS image or, created the world just for us. The Christian God is a petty, cruel being made for fictional stories, like the Bible. To actually believe in the concept of a God is completely different than subscribing to a belief structure.
 
Plenty of people have put forth objective evidence of the Bible's truth. You simply choose to ignore it.

Job stated long before the orbits of the planets or astronomy was understood that the Earth was "hung on nothing."

The Bible stated long before we understood blood and hemoglobin and the transport of oxygen throughout the body that "The life of the body is in the blood" Lev 17:11

Isiah 40:22

“It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants

are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and

spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.”

Notice that long before it was proven, Bible believing Christians knew the earth was round.

Ecclesiastes 1:7

“All the rivers run into the sea, yet the sea is not full; to the place

from which the rivers come, there they return again” (NKJV).

The water cycle, explained in poetic terms, long before science did so.

There is plenty of objective proof that God gave divine understanding to those willing to listen. Long before science could explain much of the world we live in, followers of God knew it because God revealed it to them.
 
I'm pretty sure roman and greek philosophers knew this before the christians "magically" discovered it.
 
Don't change the subject. There is no reputable evidence outside of the bible that some god exists, yet you believe in one anyways.
 
I'll say it again.

Where has the translation which I have chosen to employ changed a theological tenant involving Salvation or the deity of Christ or the ultimate authority of God?

You are arguing major versus minor doctrine.

Theologically speaking, there is NO difference between NIV, ESV, KJV, NKJV, and any one of the dozen or so other strict translations which you could throw out there.

You are arguing the difference between cool and neat. Not eternally saved or eternally damned.
 
LOL. You should really probably just go away.

You do realize that the Old Testament was written before the foundation of the Greek and Roman empires right?
 
Quoting again because this is obscenely retarded.

See Plato, Socrates, Aristotle, Archimedes, and Pythagoras, etc etc etc. They had the knowledge to disprove religion before it even started. The fact that Rome was destroyed lead to a downfall in schooling and knowledge at the same time that christianity was forming.THe fact that many of their volumes of work were lost contributed to it's popularity. Our society would probably be more sophisticated now if we knew everything that all of the great minds knew back then.
 
I wasn't. Whoever I quoted in that post cursed at me and demanded that I answer his question, which was something to the effect of "you have no proof outside of the Bible that God exists.:"

I just posted Biblical text which is known to be scientifically accurate today, which predates the science which proved these things.

Job, through divine inspiration, stated that the earth was hung on nothing long before this was proven.

Solomon expressed the water cycle long before science demonstrated how it worked.

How is this changing the subject?
 
LOL actually I did.

How exactly do you justify citing a Christian source to "disprove" my Christian theories, BTW?
 
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