Do you think 9/11 is a conspiracy?

firefighters were inside the building to make sure it was clear. They were attempting to evacuate everyone because it obviously was unstable.
 
It's hilarious that you want to act all super educated and informed, and you're so lazy and poorly researched that you don't even know that the "official 911 report" doesn't even refer to building 7......not at all. Nowhere is it posited by anyone affiliated with the "corrupt government controlled group think tank" that building 7 collapsed due to steel columns/beams being definitively "melted". Nowhere. Go ahead, you tell me to turn to the page where it says otherwise, my copy is right here. Google "9/11 Commission Report Building 7".

I love all the people who've seen Loose Change, Zeitgeist, and any of the other dozen 9/11/larger conspiracies doc's, and visit prisonplanet, and with a straight face cite websites who flat out, outright declare their bias, and want to talk down to everyone.

The Commission Report was clearly a PR move, and an attempt to pacify those outraged, it's essentially a given that it contains both minor and major flubs. The thing is, is that those flubs are centered around protecting those that failed to do their jobs on a level even approaching competence, and also to mitigate ire at the fact that systemic shortcomings and sloppiness and laziness and complacency allowed the events to play out the way they did.

It is absolutely correct and patriotic to question the events that occurred, and how, and why, and to demand answers/transparency from those that are supposed to prevent such things from happening. It's a reasonable reaction to reject the conclusions of an investigation conducted by the very people who stand to lose/gain the most based on the findings. The problem comes in when people approach this and other issues with their own agendas, conscious or otherwise. There's even a sort of arrogance in play when people make claims about the impossibility of "about 20 A-Rabs" pulling off an attack like that. It's almost nicer to think that only "we" would be capable of inflicting such damage.

And there are many parallels between the "truth movement" and the creationist movement, the most obvious being that the burden of proof is somehow magically shifted in an epic logical fallacy, and secondly that as various truther theories are shown to be unequivocally false ("No plane hitting the Pentagon" for example was a crux in the original Loose Change, and it was totally removed in the second version for example) they walk it back and just change the theory. It's identical to the whole "god of the gaps" concept, whereas as we learn more about the planet, universe, and ourselves, "God" becomes smaller and smaller, and inhabits the places where Science cannot (yet, in many cases) definitively explain a phenomena, so creationists go, "AHA! There's God!"

I don't pretend to know what happened any further than this: People are people, and people cut corners, and are preoccupied with their own narrow existences, and are easily lulled into complacency sometimes with disastrous effect. Those same people, like almost all people, will do whatever possible to avoid shame, embarrassment, culpability, and/or punishment, even if they're 100% at fault.

 
There wasn't any firefighting because they couldn't get water pressure to fight the fires. There were firefighters.

"we were entering from the northeast entrance (of wtc 7). We weren't aware of the magnitude of the damage in the front of the building. We made searches. We attempted to put some of the fire out, but we had a pressure problem."

- CAPTAIN ANTHONY VARRIALE (December 12, 2001)

 
i understand that the average person makes decisions based on what "makes more sense" and i am happy for you. but it may shock you to learn that many people make decisions based on scientific and historical facts, not speculation. and even then, how is raising questions so dangerous?

unfortunately, much of the public and i will believe intellectuals like chomsky over people like you anyday, but as long as you are enjoying yourself then i am happy for you.

as far as reality goes, there is no doubt that you are detached since you find it preposterous that a person could be involved in a crime and then talk about it on television....haha have a nice day.
 
the difference is that he's provided quotes, sources, and statistics...all of which have been cited to back his point up.

You have simply resorted to name calling, using the most biased sites available, and vaguely citing an entire book to prove your point.
 
Jesus christ Bill give it up - I applaud your effort but it's painfully obvious you aren't getting anywhere with these morons

This is what it's like listening to Bill argue against these 9/11 conspiracy donkeys

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Are you serious? Chomsky dismisses the 9/11 conspiracies outright.

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Maybe don't drop names if you have no idea what they think about a topic.

As for the science, we can talk about the science all you want. There is no science to show that it was brought down by explosives or anything like that.
 
Yes, I find it preposterous that someone would be involved in one of the greatest criminal conspiracies ever, and then just admit it on TV (you don't find that preposterous?). I find it much more plausible that he was talking about the firefighters since:

1) He was speaking to the fire chief

2) In the context of the quote he said that they decided to "pull" because there had already been such a terrible loss of life. This suggests that his decision to "pull" was to avoid further loss of life, something that fits with the firefighters being pulled. It doesn't fit with a controlled demolition theory.

3) We know that the firefighters were pulled because none of them died in WTC 7

4) "Pull it" is not a term used in the demolition industry to mean take down with explosives. The one clip that truthers always show where a demolition guy is talking about pulling wtc 6 down with cables. As in literally pulling it down, not bringing it down with explosives.

5) Larry Silverstein is probably not so stupid as to admit to being involved in such a highly criminal conspiracy on television. If he were involved and did make the decision to blow it up when he said "pull it," he probably would be smart enough to keep his mouth shut.

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lol not at all, i recognize that such acts have been taking place almost since the birth of tv media. as far as history goes, one cannot deny the possibility.

have you read chomsky's 911 where he questions just about every variable lol?(which was the whole point i was trying to make, not his present stance on who did what)

how could silverstein keep his mouth shut if there was already audio evidence?

what you say is still plausible but if it is true then this statement,

"We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull

it.' And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse."

really should be........."And they made that decision to pull and we watched the firefighters leave"??

but i know based on other threads that this is all just about proving right and wrong for you, and i don't want to argue your speculations since you do not take time to question. so, it was just the men in turbans.
 
People say the government did it to go to war in the east to get oil, with the amount they spend on their military it would be cheaper just to buy the oil
 
No, because saying "they made that decision to pull and we watched the firefighters leave" would be redundant. The building collapsed after the firefighters were pulled, there's no contradiction in his sentence.

Look, you have no evidence to support the theory that it was demolished with explosives. Your theory that he is admitting it strains credulity and the opposing theory explains the known facts much better and in a much simpler way. You claim to listen to Chomsky's authority on the issue, but he rejects the conspiracies completely, noting that there hasn't been a single peer reviewed paper to show that there's any science backing the theory and overall it seems insane. Julian Assange also wholly rejects the conspiracy theories, and he knows something about government conspiracies.

Were the firefighters in on the conspiracy? Because the ones that were on site all expected the building to come down from the fire. Was this because they were in on it? Who rigged the building with explosives? When did they do it? Why did they wait until 7 hours after the twin towers collapsed to blow up wtc7? Were the fires in wtc 7 real or did they start them to distract people from the controlled demolition? How was the building wired without anyone noticing?

 
Not to mention that Americans have never needed such a tragic event to support a war anyway, and then when they did take us to war it wasn't even with a nation that had any ties to the attack.

If it was faked to get the American people to support war with Iraq, how come they didn't put out a fake video of Saddam claiming responsibility? Why pin it on Bin Laden?

The conspiracy theories don't hold up against any scrutiny.
 
dafuq? then you have never actually learned american history which is making it almost impossible to continue this. what theories? i already said it was men in turbans.

it's hard to stop asking questions(glad you started) knowing that bp and their liberty rig do not want to begin production of the lisbon zone until there's no oil coming out of the middle east. because "competition is a sin".....except for the people who really believe that all the regime change in middle east+africa is for "humanitarian" purposes or national security lol.

but to indulge your question, why would a fake video even be necessary when deployment was already achieved without it?
 
This thread is pretty much regurgitated information from conspiracy videos and poplar mechanics. Genuine questions. Does anybody know how many engineers and scientists actually had access to the debris? Also, how can an engineer/scientist draw scientific conclusions based upon videos without access to the results? Anyway, i'm sure the "results" have been rigorously tested, and will confirm what everyone seen, planes crashing into the twin towers causing them to fall and the subsequent wreckage of the twin towers falling onto building 7, which caused that to fall. Hopefully, the "leftovers" of all three buildings have been tested by many scientists who can each draw their own individual conclusions based on actual evidence, not some nut job Dylan Avery.
 
There was no 9/11 to bring us into korea, there was no 9/11 to bring us into vietnam (gulf of Tonkin doesn't even begin to compare in scale), there was no 9/11 to bring us into Granada, or to bring us into Iraq the first time, or to get us to assassinate Allende, or intervene in El Salvador, etc etc.

If American history tells us anything it's that the US government will become involved in a war regardless of whether or not that country ever did anything to us. The whole premise of 9/11 conspiracy theories is flawed.

And their science sucks.
 
boooooooooom!

but then don't forget american history also tells us that the same gov will lie to the masses through media in order to become involved in those wars..........
 
The thermite theory can be taken out right now because it would take such a massive volume of thermite to do that kind of damage it is simply impossible. For those of you who believe in the 9/11 conspiracy watch the youtube video series 9/11 conspiracy theorys debunked, if it does not change you're point of view you are stupid and stubborn, every single argument you "truthers" have made has been proven false.
 
they used etch-a-scetches at the wtc's to save electricity so that's where the thermite came from so yeah it's out of the question.
 
there's no denying that 9/11 was real convenient for neoconservatives who desperately needed a new holy war to wage after the Soviet Union collapsed
 
before my grandma died she told me and my sister about 2 of our distant cousins "shacking up". Gotta love the boonies in Oregon
 
this thread is full of fuck.

Respect to the families of those who died in 9/11 and those who fought/fight to protect this great nation.
 
I might buy this "never forget" crap if americans start showing some respect to the millions of lives the us military and cia has destroyed
 
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