Do you think 9/11 is a conspiracy?

Yeah, but the fact that it got as far as it did is disgusting and puts false flag terrorism well within the realms of capability of the US government.
 
Oh, so the death rate is some competition? An act of terrorism has lesser meaning to you if the death rate is the hundreds? Give me a fucking break.

I'm not even gonna give you the satisfaction by explaining my perfectly understandable theory again, however, I would love for you to explain to me how I'm being "young, ignorant and sheltered".
 
yes it does in terms of its impact on society. You honestly cant understand that?

Are you under 22 years old?

Where do you get your news from? honestly?

how much do your parents contribute to your life?
 
lol sure bro. America can do no wrong.

And I'm not a fan of bill maher. I agree with him on some parts of some issues but like everything else it comes with quite the slant.

 


I read this thread from start to finish. I'm actually surprised more NS'er weren't on the conspiracy side of things.

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just a serious question. lets assume the nazis dropped (i know they didnt have one in 45 and were far away from having one) an A-bomb on 2 major cities in the US to save german soldiers and to end the war to their advantage, would you say its just part of the war? no bad feelings?

 
I would like to hope that if the Germans contacted the American govt and said hey we have bombs that can destroy an entire city and kill millions, if your surrender now we wont drop em, that the american govt would be smart enough to raise that white flag.
 
What are you people saying? I have nothing against the A-bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki...? I fell as it was a good decision....

wut in the
 
there's a difference between giving a country you are officially at war with notice that you're about to devastate an entire city and flying commercial planes into buildings.

The United States has always had the benefit of location. Look at europe, china, japan, and even indonesia during WWII. Damn near every major city got blown to bits. Had England dropped the bomb on germany it wouldn't be nearly as big of a debate because they each had already been bombing civilians for years. However since it was the US, which remained almost completely untouched after 1941, it's questionable.

The US has never fought conventionally.
 
but what science? where lol? in this instance you are confusing science with paper trails and $.....

history tells us more about governing bodies than any science ever could.
 
But what about in scary brown "take away ma freedoms" terrorist terminology.

If the scary brown terrorist said they had a bomb and were going to nuke one of our major cities, do you think we would surrender? Could we handle surrendering?

Seems to be the vibe of, I'll never surrender, I got country music and a lot of guns and I'm going to shoot anyone that tries to take that away from me.

I just don't know if I could see us throwing in the towel. And even if we did, there would be a lot of hurt feelings and people with 'Murica should never surrender signs.
 
No shit. You were born in America. Of course you think it was a good decision. Doesn't shock me the least bit.

Kill a fuck ton of people? No problem. I have a feeling the perspective might be the slightest bit different for people on the other side back then.

 
Oh yeah, that's right, killing a fuck ton of civilians saved lives so it was good. Justification is lovely.

Not saying that they didn't but I don't buy the shit that every civilian killed was deserving to die.

Also good old 'Murica does plenty of fucked up shit around the world. Just because it's all spun heavily to make it seem positive doesn't make it the truth.

America can do know wrong. And I think that belief, is the biggest bunch of bullshit anyone ever sucked up. I'm not saying we're a horrible county, but people act like our shit doesn't stink and every single thing we do throughout the world is for the better good of other people. And that's complete bullshit.
 
of course. but this is just a tendency of westerners who are victim of propaganda. for example, the average person here would be completely against drone strikes if they also had the anxiety and fear of a bomb falling on them at any time lol. sadly, a thought as such does not even reach those minds because they believe that they already have the answers.
 
the japanese high command did want to surrender before the bombs were dropped but the americans wanted to make a point to the soviets
 
the last page of this thread, especially frenchy should demonstrate as to one of the reasons foreigners have the attitudes they do about the united states

and someone said Hirohito reaped what he sowed

apply that same logic to your own government, the usa militaries adventurism and massacres in the third world reaped the harvest of 9/11

 
But you don't understand bro. This is America. Everything we do around the world is simply to help people. Anybody who thinks differently is just trying to take our freedoms away. We did japan a favor by not killing more people.

Don't you see? Why can't you see? Clearly it was the correct move. I've been taught it since I was a child for a reason.

Besides, they blew up pearl harbor and killed a bunch of Americans so they deserved it.
 
you're applying the American mentality of the 2000s to America of the 1940s.

Read a little bit about how the US was viewed immediately after the war.

It's really the cold war that messed everything up.
 
probably the kid majoring in political science, regardless of his status on a forum
 
I thought his comment was talking about if somebody threatened to bomb us these days he hoped we could raise the white flag. Maybe I read it wrong.
 
you might be right actually, I just reread it and he's fairly ambiguous as to which is being referred to.

1940s America likely would have surrendered. 2000s America would probably bomb the shit out of everyone who stood in the way.
 
I remember when I thought the solution to all of America's problems was to bomb the shit out of all of our enemies, then I turned 12.

If you really think sending our men and women overseas to the tune of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilian deaths while they themselves are being killed only to spread democracy and American values, then you're seriously fucked up.

I don't understand the logic of a lot of the people in this country. Shit's mind bottling.
 
Its good and its bad logic. Terrorism is somewhat of a different situtation the a bombs were dropped after 6 years of war. If terrorists were to attack it would be out of the blue. The japanese had absolutely no way of winning the war or stopping the bombs. America has fairly substantial defence mechanisms to stop a nuclear attack. And your 100% right, Im Canadian and i appreciate the vast majority the defence and wars you guys take on because it means that we dont have to. But many many projects done by America would absolutely horrify the american public and the free world in general.
 
Lax_Bro40's"I'm in political science, I'm being told how to think. I am right, they said so." So you don't think if we left nations alone no one would fuck with us? so you say what we do benefits everyone in the world.

Pearl harbor ... we had sanctions on them before they attacked, economically raping them; of course, they retaliated.

Oh hey look at what we are doing to Iran right now, but they are trying to get nukes, just like Iraq, oh wait they didn't have nukes. Why did we fuck up Iran again? something to do with Kuwait? We executed Saddam without trial, wait so even the Nazi's had trials?

So why would anyone want to fly a plane into an American building, oh they hated our freedom, that's right. Not like we were fucking with them at all prior.

let the fuckings commence

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1949: CIA backs military coup deposing elected government of Syria.1

1953: CIA helps overthrow the democratically‑elected Mossadeq government

in Iran (which had nationalized the British oil company) leading to a

quarter‑century of repressive and dictatorial rule by the Shah, Mohammed

Reza Pahlevi.

1958: U.S. troops land in Lebanon to preserve "stability".

early 1960s: U.S. unsuccessfully attempts assassination of Iraqi leader, Abdul Karim Qassim.2

1975: U.S. vetoes Security Council resolution condemning Israeli attacks on Palestinian refugee camps in Lebanon.5

1978‑79: Iranians begin demonstrations against the Shah. U.S. tells Shah

it supports him "without reservation" and urges him to act forcefully.

Until the last minute, U.S. tries to organize military coup to save the

Shah, but to no avail.6

1987 U.S. sends its navy into the Persian Gulf, taking Iraq's side; an

overly‑aggressive U.S. ship shoots down an Iranian civilian airliner,

killing 290.

1984: U.S.‑backed rebels in Afghanistan fire on civilian airliner

1991‑: Devastating economic sanctions are imposed on Iraq. U.S. and

Britain block all attempts to lift them. Hundreds of thousands die.

Though Security Council had stated that sanctions were to be lifted once

Saddam Hussein's programs to develop weapons of mass destruction were

ended, Washington makes it known that the sanctions would remain as long

as Saddam remains in power. Sanctions in fact strengthen Saddam's

position. Asked about the horrendous human consequences of the

sanctions, Madeleine Albright (U.S. ambassador to the UN and later

Secretary of State) declares that "the price is worth it."14 500,000 dead we never found the elusive WMD's there

1991-: U.S. forces permanently based in Saudi Arabia. - BIG ONE seeing as Osama Bin Laden is a Saudi.

1998: U.S. and U.K. bomb Iraq over the issue of weapons inspections,

even though Security Council is just then meeting to discuss the matter.

1998: U.S. destroys factory producing half of Sudan's pharmaceutical

supply, claiming retaliation for attacks on U.S. embassies in Tanzania

and Kenya and that factory was involved in chemical warfare. Evidence

for the chemical warfare charge widely disputed.16

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America's foreign policy is fucked.

Maybe, if we sorta stopped fucking with other nations, they wouldn't try to attack us. I'm all for defense, but fuck the CIA. The CIA is the biggest terrorist organization ever.
 
I can't stand when people argue this point.

It's time we either uphold the notion of the department "defense" or rename it the "department of offense", since that's what it's become.
 
Not true. The american warship tried repeatedly to radio the airliner on all channels it did not reply not to mention they didnt actually know it was a commercial airline, the plane continued on a direct course for the ship so they took action. Sucks but you cant really say it was over agression.
 
.Okay so what were doing in the Persian gulf? ...

So, we go to where the commercial airline probably usually flies.

We attempt to contact it.

We blow it up.

Claim we are defending ourselves.

You can't really say that is defense, America is just over 6,500 miles away, the plane is doing it's thing U.S. war vessel goes over and blows up airliner.

Imagine say a Chinese war vessel , goes in between California and Hawaii. Radios a passing plane probably in speaking in mandarin. Then shoots it down.
 
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