spaceghostpurp
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Whats up guys so im looking for thoughts on diesel pick ups. I love them to death but im wondering what others think. specifically powerstroke and duramax
Diesel trucks
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trannyfinder.edu
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I love big trucks too man. Been waiting for a thread like this! Personally my favorite is Cummins. Same engine for a long time, something tells me they're done right. Also the 7.3 powerstroke is debatebly the best engine. Duramax.. They seem to be good. The injectors go out on the earlyish 2000's ones, so thats not good. Don't like the IFS of the Chevy/GMC though. Personally, I will be driving a dodge one day. Toyota will do for now.
japanada
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if you aint stroking youre cumming.
7.3L powerstroke is regaurded as on of the best diesel engines ever
The Ford 6.0L diesel blows, fun far far away from it.
The Ford 6.4L in the newer trucks is a lot better than the 6.0L, more refined, quieter, easy can match the 7.3Ls power numbers and is almost as reliable as it when you delete some of the emmision and EGR stuff.
7.3L powerstroke is regaurded as on of the best diesel engines ever
The Ford 6.0L diesel blows, fun far far away from it.
The Ford 6.4L in the newer trucks is a lot better than the 6.0L, more refined, quieter, easy can match the 7.3Ls power numbers and is almost as reliable as it when you delete some of the emmision and EGR stuff.
spaceghostpurp
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13562313:BarryMcKociner said:
7.3 is my favorite engine. One reason they stopped producing them is because they lasted too long but the main reason is because ford could not pass emissions.
On a real note, when I see nice trucks that aren't totally fucked out with Confederate flags and stuff, its chill. Already said, but 7.3s are insane. My dad had one back in the day and drove it for over 800,000 miles and it still had life left in it. Mostly body damage because of Buffalo winters but the truck ran well and could have easily gone on. but I've seen them get up to 1mil. Same with Cummins. Not sure about duramax's though.
Caucasian_Asian
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I loved my Duramax. The Allison transmission is awesome. While the IFS isn't as durable off road as the solid -axle Dodges and Fords, the ride quality was miles better. Much quieter as well, even in the winter.
I spent a lot of time behind the wheel of 7.3 and 6.0 Powerstrokes, and I still preferred the Duramax.
I spent a lot of time behind the wheel of 7.3 and 6.0 Powerstrokes, and I still preferred the Duramax.
Charlie_Kelly
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Ive driven and trailered with the 7.3l 250 King Ranch and boy oh boy is that thing quick. Plus the interior is fucking nice.
000000000000
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Powerstroke and Duramax are extremely limited for space under the hood, typical v8. I prefer cummins because of the bomb proof inline six. Not to mention well written ISB service literature for wrenching.
SamtheEagle
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Anyone else stoked on the ram ecodiesel on the 1500? I really wish more smaller trucks had a diesel option. Toyota Tacoma or hilux would be an amazing truck
SamtheEagle
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13563499:FrenchFry said:
Diesel burns a lot cleaner than gas. Check your facts.
gnar_whal
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13563499:FrenchFry said:
Get out. But in all honesty op I would do some research on your own. All you will get on here is personal opinion. Do some research yourself and look on some diesel forums, you will find a lot more solid info than what you will find on a skiing forum.
But you should get a duramax. The best years from what I've heard are the LBZ's which are the 06-07 ones. The LB7's (01-04.5) are known to have injector issues, but aren't a problem if they have been replaced recently. Other ones are LL'Ys Lmm, LML (newer ones). Anyways. Do some research on your own.
SamtheEagle
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13563623:VinnieF said:
Maybe older trucks but newer diesels produce about 90% less soot and are lower in carbon dioxide and other hydrocarbons compared to gas. Diesel also has a better return in terms of energy invested over energy returned because there is a lot less refining.
13563678:SamtheEagle said:
Don't forget about NOx emissions. Besides particulate matter, that is the main problem child in diesel exhaust. But like you said, the newer ones have definitely improved in that category.
To to the guy who started this environmental thing, if you want to get mad at something get mad at coal. Its used for the majority of our electricity generation and pollutes the air way worse than a 2015 6.7 Cummins.
uturn
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Its really an opinionated question because there's hardcore brand allegiance. Everyone likes cummins and they really are the best options, except dodges rust alost, especaily in the east. People that like ford and powerstroke genraly despise chevy duramax and vice versa. Overall they are all nice trucks that will run for a really long time if taken care of properly, just go with the one you like the most. (also, don't make it roll coal)
13563941:uturn said:
I think that the brand allegiance runs past the Diesel engine pushing it. Cummins is great but, the rest of the dodge has been hideous in the past...... but is getting slightly better. GM has the best ride quality always has and has a more luxurious feel to it. Ford, not too sure what they bring to the table, pretty gross just like dodge. but to each their own I guess.
13563952:uturn said:
That's what everybody does about all vehicles. I also said the Cummins is great and the rest of dodge is getting better, let's be honest the interiors were pretty ghetto until recently. I only said GM's are more comfortable/luxurious. didn't say they were the best.
CrotchKiller
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5.9 cummins or 7.3 powerstroke.
Get a manual if you can with the 7.3, you'll go through 3-4 auto trannys in the life of the engine. 12v cummins over 24v but the 24v is a nicer ride and newer.
Stay away from the. 6.0 and 6.4 unless the headstuds have been done along with a egr/dpf delete. They can be made into good reliable motors but it's not cheap.
Both the new 6.7 powerstroke and 6.7 cummins look like good motors. I'd go cummins for the manual trans but that's personal preference. Both should have dpf egr deletes done to them, it'll only improve the health and milage of your engine.
Be aware that because of new epa regulations and the equipment installed to pass them the newer diesels are terrible on fuel compared to the old 7.3 and 5.9 (which were in the low 20mpg range.) The 6.4 gets low teens before a dpf/egr delete.
Don't buy a diesel unless you need it. They are big motors designed to haul heavy loads not haul around your groceries.
Get a manual if you can with the 7.3, you'll go through 3-4 auto trannys in the life of the engine. 12v cummins over 24v but the 24v is a nicer ride and newer.
Stay away from the. 6.0 and 6.4 unless the headstuds have been done along with a egr/dpf delete. They can be made into good reliable motors but it's not cheap.
Both the new 6.7 powerstroke and 6.7 cummins look like good motors. I'd go cummins for the manual trans but that's personal preference. Both should have dpf egr deletes done to them, it'll only improve the health and milage of your engine.
Be aware that because of new epa regulations and the equipment installed to pass them the newer diesels are terrible on fuel compared to the old 7.3 and 5.9 (which were in the low 20mpg range.) The 6.4 gets low teens before a dpf/egr delete.
Don't buy a diesel unless you need it. They are big motors designed to haul heavy loads not haul around your groceries.
CrotchKiller
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As stated earlier in the thread chevy/gm is the most loaded/comfy but they don't haul as well or as much as dodge and ford
saskskier
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13563948:Rusticles said:
While not diesel's, I have two co-workers with Ram 1500's and one of my good friends has one (all 2014+) and all seem to be working great. I've gone on two 3000-4000km road trips in my friends truck and it's been flawless with pretty solid fuel mileage considering it's a truck.
If I had to get a truck (that wasn't a Toyota) right now, it'd probably go with a Dodge.
13564066:CrotchKiller said:
I test drove 2011 6.7 Cummins with the 6 speed and it got about 12-13 mpg. That's awful haha, but I did hear they are doing better once the DEF system was added. It was nice and if you have the money to feed that/need it, I would highly recommend one. Everything in the late model Ram HDs are a substantial upgrade over the old.
Replace the dual mass flywheel and clutch though. That is it's weakness besides for the egr fucking up your engine eventually.
13564074:saskskier said:
yeah, the newer ones have much nicer interiors than in the past and the half-tons are a hell of a lot smoother for obvious reasons. I think all the half-tons are pretty good, just preference. I like the dodge half tons, but I'm partial to the GM's. I've had my 07 denali for 260k without many problems, also had 3/4 ton gas work trucks in the bush, they held up well for the amount of abuse they took.
A good buddy of mine has a 2010 1 ton dually diesel full load, paid $70k, thing didn't even have automatic climate control or backup sensors. interior is pretty meh. He also was getting horrible mileage so he tried to chip it, made it worse. He eventually took it to a diesel performance shop, and they chipped it and removed some sensors and shit, now the thing halls ass and gets 17L/100km pulling 4 place sled trailer at 130k/hour haha.
.Hugo.
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My friend has the new ram 2500 diesel and the back seat reclines. Fuckin clutch for road trips. I like the older gms but the newer ones ate buttass ugly. hate the super wide and tall front end. Not to mention i dislike that they sit lower (or at least look like it). But besides the looks theyre good trucks.
No.Quarter
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13564062:FrenchFry said:
Cleaner burning can be disputed a lot, but diesels by no means use more than gas. Your average civic/golf sized gas car will get like 20-30 mpg on the highway while the diesel variant will get like 40-50 mpg. A gas truck will get somewhere around 15-20 mpg on the highway and a diesel can be like 20-30+ mpg. And on top of that the gas trucks mileage will get much worse under load than the diesel.
All in all if you really want to do better for the environment, turn off your lights, they are powered by coal.
corona
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13563678:SamtheEagle said:
Is your source a VW emissions test?
I can find many saying how much worse diesel is than gas (for instance a study saying how 65% of particulate air pollution in San Francisco is from diesel engines while only 10% of fuel burned in that area is diesel). I can't find any saying they're cleaner than gas. Many saying they've improved markedly, but none saying they're better.
corona
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13563678:SamtheEagle said:
Ah, I found where you're getting confused. No, it doesn't burn cleaner. More emissions per emitted per unit diesel than gas. But, diesel being more efficient means that modern engines can be cleaner per distance driven. They still burn dirtier though.
The 90% figure you had I found and wasn't that they are 90% cleaner than gas but that they are up to 90% cleaner than older diesel engines.
TACO-DOG.exe
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13563499:FrenchFry said:
do you know anything about cars?
uturn
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13564062:FrenchFry said:
1st off, comparing a sedan to a pickup truck is ridiculous
2nd they make diesel golf's and many of the small cars in europe are diesel
3rd fuel efficient gas pickup gets mid to high teens in mpg, with the right mods a diesel truck can get low twenties city
And lastly if you buy a diesel truck and use it as a civic (to run around town and such) you should just go to hell
SamtheEagle
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13564630:VinnieF said:
I think we are on the same page just had different trains of thought on getting there. And ya I did mean the 90% compared to old diesels not has cars. Also someone mentioned NOx emissions which are way worse from diesels than gas. I was tempted to use vw stats haha. That always used to be my go to argument for diesel over hybrids but that didn't work out to well in the long run haha
Every car my family owns is a diesel...4 VW and 1 truck. I drive the truck daily. We decided to buy one because when we had to tow things and such we couldn't do it with the VWs. Don't have to often but its nice when you need to. And also being able to put things in the bed. Personally I love driving it as a daily. also love driving the VWs. I get about 19mpg around the city after only taking the DPF filter off.
soup
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been looking at diesels a lot lately. going to go with a 6.6 duramax just because thats what we used at work and we had good luck with them.
I hate going on sled and trucks forums though the brand whoring bullshit that goes on is ridiculous. you type in "my ball joints need replacing" someone will type in immediaiatley after "oh fuck you shoulda bought a (insert other brand of sled or truck) you fucking idiot!" its non stop . finding information or a valid opinion is so hard.
I hate going on sled and trucks forums though the brand whoring bullshit that goes on is ridiculous. you type in "my ball joints need replacing" someone will type in immediaiatley after "oh fuck you shoulda bought a (insert other brand of sled or truck) you fucking idiot!" its non stop . finding information or a valid opinion is so hard.
daannnnieel
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13562324:japanada said:
you really don't know what you're talking about. The 6.4 is one of the most unreliable pieces of shit that ford has ever produced. The 6 was an engine made by international that ford, nor international tested properly resulting in most of their headgaskets exploding. After you rebuild a 6 properly, they're regarded as one of the most bombproof engines around.
international still uses the exact same 6l with a beefed up head (had to be done anyways) in industrial and commercial vehicles, the 6.4 was garbage.