Content rant

Lukeobrien

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I'm fs going to get a lot of flame for this just because a lot of you aren't the biggest fans of my skiing and some of these opinions not everyone will agree with but I've been talking with some of my close homies and they can agree with a lot of this. Also I apologize in advance because some of what I'm about to say has already been talked about on here.

First of all I want to say it's super sick how many crews there are these days. I watch pretty much every edit/movie that gets posted on here or youtube and the amount of people in the backcountry and streets is insane. I'm finding new skiers that I think are dope almost daily. That part I am extremely stoked about. I am all for getting more people involved in the sport and it certainly helps when there is a plethora of content. Not sure how many of you come on here daily and watch all the edits, but for the few of you who do, you know you could easily fill a week with edits/movies that have dropped in the past month. And we still have a bunch of dope projects to drop in the next month or so.

The next few paragraphs might seem like I'm hating on the sport but I'm just trying to voice my opinion and see if it aligns with anyone else or maybe I'm just an oldhead.

Why did we get rid of individual parts? it seems as if 80% of the projects have gotten rid of having individual parts and its just a compilation of everyone's skiing. If this is done correctly it can be sick. Forre did a great job of this in Cast when they had all the night shots together and eerie soundtrack to go with it. Daycare also did a good job of this with their last song. They had all the banger clips aligned with a banger soundtrack to match. So I'm not saying a compilation edit can't be done well, but it just seems every group is taking random songs and throwing them together with a bunch of clips. In my opinion this makes people shots and whole movies less memorable. I love watching someone's part to a song and getting super stoked and then blasting that song the next week. That gets me hyped. I can't do that when theirs 5 skiers skiing to one song that doesn't fit the skiing of half the skiers riding. Editors need to take advantage of a song complementing someone's skiing. Every skier has a type of music that matches their skiing. Editors should use that to their advantage to have people remember someone's part.

Riders need to do their research. I only think a few are going to agree with this but it bums me out seeing the new generation of skiers hitting features that the previous generation have hit. I get this can be quite difficult because we only get snow in certain areas and there is a fuck ton of content out there so it's hard to know what has been done. But I just made a full movie in Utah where everyone thinks all the spots have been hit and we were able to find a ton of stuff no one has hit. Get on google earth and do your research. If you are going to hit stuff that people have hit at least do a different trick. I've seen a ton of people doing what people have done in the past. There are so many different tricks now on skis at least change it up and add a little spice to it so you can be different. I get it not everyone watches every edit but I think the new generation needs to pay homage to the past and do their research.

I feel like I'm wasting time with a couple movies. I watched a movie the other day and half of the clips I'd had already seen in other projects. Why are people sharing clips they want to use for their project. If you are going to share a clip with someone and they say they are going to use it for their project then don't use it. If its handful of clips whatever, but when I've seen 15+ clips in another edit that's just a little much for me. Also no one cares about your B-roll unless its degenerate behavior or funny antics. Seriously we've seen a jump get built 1000x times before. And cut it out with the slow-mo. We get that you want to have this long project, but when you have one clip last 30-60 seconds because of the slow-mo I really don't want to see anymore. If you want to slow-mo your ender or clips or where you need to see something specific go for it but when it's a mid clip in the middle of the movie please stop.

I understand it may seem like I'm hating on the sport but that's not how I'm trying to come off. I just believe with the amount of talent in the ski community and how easy it is to make movies we could be doing a better job. I honestly am not nazi about people building jumps on the wrong side of the rail or not shoveling the stairs. The group I ski with breaks a lot of the "unwritten" rules but I don't say anything cause I'm just stoked they are willing to do this gnarly shit with me. Like I said in the beginning I want more people partaking in this sport. I just feel like with how easy it is to make movies we are losing an art to it and its bumming me out. That's enough from me. I'll get off my high horse now and get back to rehabbing but thought I'd stir the pot on here like I do every year. Thanks in advance for the downvotes.
 
i agree with most of these statements.

Also not having your own part is more core cause people gotta go on man hunt to find your social media
 
also I honestly really like “no part” videos, especially if the crew has a pretty cool overall vibe like dustbox or zootspace for example. a lot of crews probably don’t have enough footage for single parts tho. I think the “no name” “no part” comes from skateboarding. i remember strobeck talked about not having names or parts really because he wanted people to go and look for a certain skater they really liked, and get more into them that way idk. I think both are cool
 
14562660:sindreplassen said:
also I honestly really like “no part” videos, especially if the crew has a pretty cool overall vibe like dustbox or zootspace for example. a lot of crews probably don’t have enough footage for single parts tho. I think the “no name” “no part” comes from skateboarding. i remember strobeck talked about not having names or parts really because he wanted people to go and look for a certain skater they really liked, and get more into them that way idk. I think both are cool

I don’t really understand the whole if u don’t show their name it’s going to bring more attention to them argument. Their have been points in the past month where I see a skier in a no name part and want to look more into finding out who that is but I can’t because they don’t show there name. I don’t think having no name makes people go look. Personally I’m just like welp guess I’ll never know who that is
 
14562674:Lukeobrien said:
I don’t really understand the whole if u don’t show their name it’s going to bring more attention to them argument. Their have been points in the past month where I see a skier in a no name part and want to look more into finding out who that is but I can’t because they don’t show there name. I don’t think having no name makes people go look. Personally I’m just like welp guess I’ll never know who that is

it did for me, I got into all the dustbox and the supreme guys because they didn’t have the name in the vids, so I had to go thru every name in the credits and find my fav. not every vid has credits tho so I see your point.
 
No segments is whatever, some people just don't have enough clips, probably why some videos have a shit ton of b roll even if it's mediocre or not entertaining. I've definitely done that as well too just cuz some songs are long as hell

No name tags just seems lazy as fuck IMO. You can put tiny text at 50% transparency in the bottom corner of the video and I promise you it won't take anything away from the video artistically.

You definitely aren't alone in this tho cuz a lot of people on here bitch about the same thing lol
 
Having parts does not make necessarily make a video better. It's often a good choice, but there are often good reasons why some people choose to make videos with mixed segments. It can depend on how many people are in the video and how many clips each of them have. Speaking for myself, when I watch videos with parts, I sometimes feel an urge to skip certain segments since I'm not as big of a fan of a particular person's skiing. I imagine other people feel the same sometimes. When there's a mix of different skiers, it's a lot more enjoyable in that regard because I don't have to watch 3-4 mins of uninterrupted skiing that I don't like as much.

Totally disagree with the idea that "every group is taking random songs and throwing them together with a bunch of clips." That's not the impression I've gotten from most of the videos I've seen lately. Anyone who's a half decent editor spends a lot of time carefully thinking how to portray the skiers in their video and what music they're going to use. I may not like all the songs but I can usually appreciate what the editor was trying to do with their editing choices.

I agree that people should do their research. It's always sicker to hit something that hasn't been hit before. To me though, ABD spots aren't as big of a deal. I personally enjoy seeing someone hit an ABD spot if they do something creative or something that hasn't been done before. I like seeing how different skiers can hit the same feature in different ways. If you come across a rail that you'd really like to hit, you might as well hit it regardless if it's ABD, but it's always good to be aware of what other people have done before.

Totally agree that leaking clips is lame and I like to see all the best clips in the video, and not on instagram first, or anywhere else. Broll does not need to be degenerate or funny antics. Hoodcrew already did a great job of that, I don't need to see more clips of stuff getting smashed unnecessarily or people getting their heads shaved or getting stupid haircuts. slowmo is dope if used wisely.

Personally I'm not really worried about losing the art of making videos. While there's been some aspects that I haven't enjoyed regarding some videos that have dropped lately, overall I've been very impressed and entertained by what I've watched so far. More videos means more competition to stand out against, so I think the net result will be to push people to be more creative.

I know I wrote an essay, wouldn't blame anyone for not bothering to read this but I felt like ranting
 
14562654:sindreplassen said:
you should really make a yt channel for this ngl, skiing need a new gifted hater after flat Stan left

Don't think we'll get any commentators on a similar levelto them because the people who have the credibility to make those kind of videos would rather not publicly talk shit about other skiers. And the people who are willing to do that probably don't have the credibility. That being said, 10 upvotes and I'll make a video
 
"Why did we get rid of individual parts?" - Ahmet's segment from Eye Trip.

"Riders need to do their research." - New spots are cool, but everyone hitting them in different movies released on the same year is meh. Thinking about that rainbow (actually rainbow colored) rail that is in every movie this year, or the weird stair butter-pad spot. I think if you hit a spot someone has hit, you should hit it because you look up to them, and choose a tasteful trick based on that.

"I feel like I'm wasting time with a couple movies" - I kinda agree, I don't think its a waste of time, but i HATE seeing a clip in a movie I saw on IG during the year. Seems lazy and not tasteful. Also B-roll kinda has gotten out of hand, the small picture in picture (or video over video) B roll is just so lame. The hood crew had best B-roll, it fit the crew and it would feel almost as cool as the clip. It should be used to build interest in the skiers/crews life not be just slow-mo cams of their faces. Like wtf im not your mom tryna hang a picture of their kid on the wall. Give me something to make me care/laugh about.

Also we can just delete heli/ak movies. Those are made to played on the deer valley ski shop tv to help sell 1100 dollar jackets to rich dads. They are like the elevator music of the ski world.
 
Very core, me and my homies are currently in the beginning stages of formulating a lil crew and filming stuff and we are doin our best to keep shit unique and not just follow the same dogma of everything else. And def agree on the individual parts thing, idk it feels more personal and badass to have all ur clips stacked to the perfect song. Very based take luv u
 
The only thing I have to say about the no individual parts thing is there is no i in team. Other than that i can agree with most of what you’re spitting.
 
Old wakeboarder here. You'll never know how truly boring an edit can be until every shot is behind a boat.

Same. Shot. Over. And. Over.
 
I think the vast amount of skis movies isn’t really effecting much. 99% of skiers are just watching the 10ish big videos that come out each year. There’s a small niche of skiers who really watch everything that comes out. It’s really only over saturated for those few skiers.
 
Yeah I read that strobeck interview and the guy sounded like a pretentious asshole filmer with a huge ego who thinks that skaters should just be grateful they get to appear in one of his videos. Giving the skiers' names at least as the intro to the movie should be the minimum these days. No name no part videos usually feel directionless and uninteresting to me

14562660:sindreplassen said:
also I honestly really like “no part” videos, especially if the crew has a pretty cool overall vibe like dustbox or zootspace for example. a lot of crews probably don’t have enough footage for single parts tho. I think the “no name” “no part” comes from skateboarding. i remember strobeck talked about not having names or parts really because he wanted people to go and look for a certain skater they really liked, and get more into them that way idk. I think both are cool
 
14562740:nCrow said:
Yeah I read that strobeck interview and the guy sounded like a pretentious asshole filmer with a huge ego who thinks that skaters should just be grateful they get to appear in one of his videos. Giving the skiers' names at least as the intro to the movie should be the minimum these days. No name no part videos usually feel directionless and uninteresting to me

yea I think that sick af too. I put everyone’s names in the intro to a street vid we made this year because everyone’s footy was kinda all over the place. disagree with your take on bill though
 
14562754:sindreplassen said:
yea I think that sick af too. I put everyone’s names in the intro to a street vid we made this year because everyone’s footy was kinda all over the place. disagree with your take on bill though

Bill is objectively pretentious and the only reason he has a career is because of Supreme

**This post was edited on Nov 6th 2023 at 8:41:57pm
 
Yeah I agree with almost all of this. I think that it's rad that people can shoot a crew film with so few barriers these days, but one of the drawbacks is certainly a drop in novelty, and a bump in derivative clone videos. I also like to see people hitting original spots, and I would even add that it should be a major goal of new street films, because imo the spots are limitless and only the skier is limited. I think that I'm sort of optimistic about the future though. The sheer volume of films is going to light a fire under people to make something unique, and I think some of the best film work in skiing history is going to come about in the next few years.
 
topic:Lukeobrien said:
I understand it may seem like I'm hating on the sport but that's not how I'm trying to come off.

Fuck that, you aren’t a hater for having an opinion. This kind of mentality is what progresses the sport. Even if everybody disagreed with you, you came to a logical conclusion by thinking critically about the sport that you love, thats called keeping it real. I see u in the threads man, nothing but respect from me.

14562687:Farmville420 said:
No segments is whatever, some people just don't have enough clips, probably why some videos have a shit ton of b roll even if it's mediocre or not entertaining.

IMO I want individual parts but there are times where the video makes more sense conceptually to have a compilation style video. This can be due to a variety of different reasons but its not a deal breaker either way, just a preference. A good vid is a good vid. However, putting in filler or b-roll that isn’t entertaining is bullshit in the context of a 30 min long movie. If its a one song edit, or if the video has individual parts, I understand u gotta add filler clips or b-roll to make sense with the music, create suspense, etc. But I see a lot of compilation style movies where if they were 10 mins instead of 30 they would be on the top videos of the year page. Its a really is a sad thing to see tbh. So much time gets put into these vids and to see something that should be mind-melting be drowned out by the “movie mentality” fucking sucks to watch but I honestly just can’t upvote someones shit if its boring. Sorry to them.
 
This thread is weak af i’ll give u guys some real hater shit hot takes. And I mean this with 100% of my heart.

1. The new dustbox sucks absolute fucking dick, that shit was wack as hell. Literally one the worst skill to enjoyment ratio vids i’ve seen ever.

2. Strobeck and Dill did a great job innovating but they are both total fucking kooks.

3. snowboarding vids have the exact same issues ski videos have but are arguably worse because in addition, every board vid in the past 3 years uses the same corny ass VHS b-roll the shit is mega played out its fucking hilarious like bro try something new
 
Was this thread inspired by gusto? Cause I just finished it and was thinking pretty much all the same things the whole time
 
topic:Lukeobrien said:
I'm fs going to get a lot of flame for this just because a lot of you aren't the biggest fans of my skiing and some of these opinions not everyone will agree with but I've been talking with some of my close homies and they can agree with a lot of this. Also I apologize in advance because some of what I'm about to say has already been talked about on here.

First of all I want to say it's super sick how many crews there are these days. I watch pretty much every edit/movie that gets posted on here or youtube and the amount of people in the backcountry and streets is insane. I'm finding new skiers that I think are dope almost daily. That part I am extremely stoked about. I am all for getting more people involved in the sport and it certainly helps when there is a plethora of content. Not sure how many of you come on here daily and watch all the edits, but for the few of you who do, you know you could easily fill a week with edits/movies that have dropped in the past month. And we still have a bunch of dope projects to drop in the next month or so.

The next few paragraphs might seem like I'm hating on the sport but I'm just trying to voice my opinion and see if it aligns with anyone else or maybe I'm just an oldhead.

Why did we get rid of individual parts? it seems as if 80% of the projects have gotten rid of having individual parts and its just a compilation of everyone's skiing. If this is done correctly it can be sick. Forre did a great job of this in Cast when they had all the night shots together and eerie soundtrack to go with it. Daycare also did a good job of this with their last song. They had all the banger clips aligned with a banger soundtrack to match. So I'm not saying a compilation edit can't be done well, but it just seems every group is taking random songs and throwing them together with a bunch of clips. In my opinion this makes people shots and whole movies less memorable. I love watching someone's part to a song and getting super stoked and then blasting that song the next week. That gets me hyped. I can't do that when theirs 5 skiers skiing to one song that doesn't fit the skiing of half the skiers riding. Editors need to take advantage of a song complementing someone's skiing. Every skier has a type of music that matches their skiing. Editors should use that to their advantage to have people remember someone's part.

Riders need to do their research. I only think a few are going to agree with this but it bums me out seeing the new generation of skiers hitting features that the previous generation have hit. I get this can be quite difficult because we only get snow in certain areas and there is a fuck ton of content out there so it's hard to know what has been done. But I just made a full movie in Utah where everyone thinks all the spots have been hit and we were able to find a ton of stuff no one has hit. Get on google earth and do your research. If you are going to hit stuff that people have hit at least do a different trick. I've seen a ton of people doing what people have done in the past. There are so many different tricks now on skis at least change it up and add a little spice to it so you can be different. I get it not everyone watches every edit but I think the new generation needs to pay homage to the past and do their research.

I feel like I'm wasting time with a couple movies. I watched a movie the other day and half of the clips I'd had already seen in other projects. Why are people sharing clips they want to use for their project. If you are going to share a clip with someone and they say they are going to use it for their project then don't use it. If its handful of clips whatever, but when I've seen 15+ clips in another edit that's just a little much for me. Also no one cares about your B-roll unless its degenerate behavior or funny antics. Seriously we've seen a jump get built 1000x times before. And cut it out with the slow-mo. We get that you want to have this long project, but when you have one clip last 30-60 seconds because of the slow-mo I really don't want to see anymore. If you want to slow-mo your ender or clips or where you need to see something specific go for it but when it's a mid clip in the middle of the movie please stop.

I understand it may seem like I'm hating on the sport but that's not how I'm trying to come off. I just believe with the amount of talent in the ski community and how easy it is to make movies we could be doing a better job. I honestly am not nazi about people building jumps on the wrong side of the rail or not shoveling the stairs. The group I ski with breaks a lot of the "unwritten" rules but I don't say anything cause I'm just stoked they are willing to do this gnarly shit with me. Like I said in the beginning I want more people partaking in this sport. I just feel like with how easy it is to make movies we are losing an art to it and its bumming me out. That's enough from me. I'll get off my high horse now and get back to rehabbing but thought I'd stir the pot on here like I do every year. Thanks in advance for the downvotes.

You make some really good points, Luke. My only critique is that you contradict yourself by being stoked for people getting into the streets/backcountry, yet you don't want people to hit already established spots. I get where your head is regarding creativity and being original, but I think this is somewhat gatekeeping and pushes people away. At the end of the day, who fucking cares?I bet every spot in my street video has been hit and most likely in a more technical way. We're just skiing and it doesn't have to be this serious thing that represents our whole identity.

Also, props on the new video. You guys killed it!
 
14562788:nCrow said:
Was this thread inspired by gusto? Cause I just finished it and was thinking pretty much all the same things the whole time

Haven’t watched it yet. Is this going to heighten my opinions?
 
didn’t even finish the new dustbox vid. They really peaked with dreamcastle and have been putting out subpar lazy shit since

14562781:BLandz said:
1. The new dustbox sucks absolute fucking dick, that shit was wack as hell. Literally one the worst skill to enjoyment ratio vids i’ve seen
 
Another point I wanted to make but forgot to include is that park skiing is already an intimidating sport to get into. Street skiing is a different beast and setting the precedent that every spot should be original regarding tricks and spot selection is kinda lame. Sure, videos that show originality are more fun to watch but that's kind of the overarching point I'm trying to make; every video can appeal to a different person based on skill level, style, etc. My final point I want to make is why does every street video release in the fall? I really appreciated Henrik dropping an edit in February last year.
 
14562800:thewayshego3s said:
Another point I wanted to make but forgot to include is that park skiing is already an intimidating sport to get into. Street skiing is a different beast and setting the precedent that every spot should be original regarding tricks and spot selection is kinda lame. Sure, videos that show originality are more fun to watch but that's kind of the overarching point I'm trying to make; every video can appeal to a different person based on skill level, style, etc. My final point I want to make is why does every street video release in the fall? I really appreciated Henrik dropping an edit in February last year.

I see where your coming from. I’m all cool with new crews hitting spots that have already been hit especially if they are just getting into street. I just want people putting their own spice on it especially if they are established crews. It bugs me when crews whose been hitting street for 3+ years go to a spot and they do a trick that someone who probably got them into skiing already did 10 years ago.
 
14562800:thewayshego3s said:
Another point I wanted to make but forgot to include is that park skiing is already an intimidating sport to get into. Street skiing is a different beast and setting the precedent that every spot should be original regarding tricks and spot selection is kinda lame. Sure, videos that show originality are more fun to watch but that's kind of the overarching point I'm trying to make; every video can appeal to a different person based on skill level, style, etc. My final point I want to make is why does every street video release in the fall? I really appreciated Henrik dropping an edit in February last year.

Good point to make. Totally agree. But I think most of us are talking about professional videos, or people that are very talented. There’s definitely a wide range of accountability I hold people to depending on skill, location, age, etc. Like perfect example is XL, any old head shit Tanner does is completely cancelled out by the fact that he’s a total legend. You just can’t hate on it even if you wanted to.
 
14562806:BLandz said:
Good point to make. Totally agree. But I think most of us are talking about professional videos, or people that are very talented. There’s definitely a wide range of accountability I hold people to depending on skill, location, age, etc. Like perfect example is XL, any old head shit Tanner does is completely cancelled out by the fact that he’s a total legend. You just can’t hate on it even if you wanted to.

Ah makes sense. I thought the whole topic was surrounding street skiing as a whole, not just pros. Thanks for the clarification
 
I've said this elsewhere. Line Traveling Circus need to travel to Gaza before it's too late. Some of the best rail skiing in the world.
 
Yeah none of these crew seggs feel iconic to me. When I see a rider seg, I get a feeling for the work that the specific rider put into it. They also can express themselves with the song
 
14562781:BLandz said:
This thread is weak af i’ll give u guys some real hater shit hot takes. And I mean this with 100% of my heart.

1. The new dustbox sucks absolute fucking dick, that shit was wack as hell. Literally one the worst skill to enjoyment ratio vids i’ve seen ever.

2. Strobeck and Dill did a great job innovating but they are both total fucking kooks.

3. snowboarding vids have the exact same issues ski videos have but are arguably worse because in addition, every board vid in the past 3 years uses the same corny ass VHS b-roll the shit is mega played out its fucking hilarious like bro try something new

the vhs/super 8 thing is so played out its crazy. db started doing like 2 years ago and the videos went south
 
STOP BUILDING GIGANTIC JUMPS ONTO RAILS. STOP HITTING RAILS FROM THE OUTSIDE OF THE STAIRS. YOU ARE HURTING ME, WHY DO YOU WANT TO HURT ME?????
 
14562800:thewayshego3s said:
My final point I want to make is why does every street video release in the fall? I really appreciated Henrik dropping an edit in February last year.

Big time agree with this. Unless you are a sponsored skier and companies are telling you to drop content in the fall to help sell skis, I think dropping content in the fall is a mistake. Enjoying street content is like trying to drink from a fire hose that is turned on for one second. Zootspace dropped in January and it’s not like it fell into obscurity because it didn’t drop in the fall with all the other movies
 
14562781:BLandz said:
3. snowboarding vids have the exact same issues ski videos have but are arguably worse because in addition, every board vid in the past 3 years uses the same corny ass VHS b-roll the shit is mega played out its fucking hilarious like bro try something new

skiers need to stop assuming that snowboarders will always be cooler, I know some cool boarders but tons of them are insanely cringe, on average I think park skiers are much more creative and less brainwashed by instagram
 
Hard agree that individual parts need to come back.

When people talk about their favorite segments of all time, they are always going to say an athlete segment. Mixed skier segments are less memorable in general. Solo segments feel like a much bolder statement to me, and they do way more for the skier I think.

It kinda frustrates me some of the skiers that we have never seen a proper segment from. Why has Ian king never had a full segment?? He is one of the sickest and most stylish street skiers of our time, and half of you probably have no idea who tf I am even talking about right now, cause all of his clips in zootspace and other movies are just mixed in all over the place.
 
In all honesty, you and all the other fs, fs, misty out on pvc ruin ski edits for me. You kid produce shit content, with shit style, on shit features and think your hot shit bc you "hit a new spot". Also don't take advice from people you don't respect, and i think you said it best in your podcast, say in your lane. Also before you open you mouth about spots, 4bi9, Hoodcrew, Stept, B&E and Strictly already one uped everything you did but 10 years ago. Again, maybe you should watch some old movies and hit some real spots, or you could just say in your lane and shout your mouth.
 
14562865:hi_vis360 said:
skiers need to stop assuming that snowboarders will always be cooler, I know some cool boarders but tons of them are insanely cringe, on average I think park skiers are much more creative and less brainwashed by instagram

This is just fucking facts I know more people who ditched boarding for skiing than vice versa. When something has a reputation for being "cooler", it tends to lure in more being who want to be cool than people who are.
 
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