Content rant
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verynormalguy
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He has his own segment in one of the older Vishnu movies. It’s to a Gucci mane track. Shits hard
14562866:hi_vis360 said:
PussyFinder
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Thats a lot of thought and effort, maybe put that same energy twoards somthing that actually matters.
AndrewGravesSV
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14562914:Bernie585 said:
Posted in Ski Gabber meant for discussing skiing, fuck outta here why dont you try and contribute
icy_park_jump
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Sometimes I get the vibe that a lot of the smaller crews are mostly just focused on going out skiing and getting clips, and don't really have a clear vision. When it comes time to edit the clips they just follow the standard formula. Not true for everyone, of course
BLandz
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14562921:icy_park_jump said:
Theres a big difference on how I judge an amateur video of dudes having fun and pros making a legit video. People seem to forget that when you post a vid online you are voluntarily asking for it to be judged, and people will do so accordingly. The whole toxic positivity shit where everything is sick and awesome is not reality and somebody who isn’t in your immediate circle will base their opinion on if the video is actually good or not and not how chill you are irl.
update: I kinda read ur comment wrong tbh my bad
**This post was edited on Nov 7th 2023 at 12:15:14pm
icy_park_jump
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Also, people really need to stop with the grainy vhs b-roll shit. The only thing it adds is a very superficial "nostalgic" effect. If you are cutting between HD footage and that blurry mush, please stop. you are giving me a headache. Why are you going out of your way to make it harder for people to see what is going on in your video?
PussyFinder
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ok I agree with the 100 points made, what happens now?
14562917:AndrewGravesSV said:
icy_park_jump
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14562925:BLandz said:
Yeah that's true, it's unfair to hold them to the same standard. Still, I think it's fair to say that even the amateurs want to improve their video making skills, so some criticism might be helpful to them, unless they really don't care about the video and just want to ski.
Farmville420
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14562876:rudolph said:
Funny that you think Luke didn't used to watch those old movies, he literally referenced them in the exact podcast you quoted.
One thing most people in this thread aren't considering is that creating a ski video is art, you can do it however you want. Our sport hits different because we can ski however we want, do whatever tricks, have whatever style we want. I totally understand why you feel this way OP but you also need to consider that you are always going to disagree with someone else's subjective work.
I think y'all need to focus more on having fun, enjoying content and being happy that our sport still exists vs being hypercritical and deeming everyone's content to be wrong, not good enough or not the way you want it.
I think y'all need to focus more on having fun, enjoying content and being happy that our sport still exists vs being hypercritical and deeming everyone's content to be wrong, not good enough or not the way you want it.
Lukeobrien
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14562942:eheath said:
Very well said
icy_park_jump
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14562942:eheath said:
People make a living off of criticizing art. You can enjoy something and be happy it exits and still be critical of it. If you are passionate about something you should have opinions about it. Being able to discuss our opinions openly exposes us to new ideas, potential for improvement, and helps us realize we are not alone.
milotv34
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topic:Lukeobrien said:
this part i agree with. I like when skiers have their own individual parts, and you are introduced to a new skier and get an idea of their vision and their style, as well as the music they feel fits their skiing best, etc. All true and i very much agree. However, certain other things in here i disagree with. I think b roll is subjective and I like to see it no matter what. We've all seen all types of b-roll before, and Im happy to see each groups individual take on it. and slo mo depends on the trick, its just another unique way of portraying skiingand Im happy to see it whenever. its a case by case basis whether i like it or not, of course, but thats the same with everything.
14562945:icy_park_jump said:
There's a big difference between constructive criticism and just shit talking everything everyone is doing.
14562927:icy_park_jump said:
^ this is just talking shit on something you dont like
**This post was edited on Nov 7th 2023 at 1:35:02pm
icy_park_jump
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14562949:eheath said:
I don’t get it. How is that not constructive? Is my opinion invalid because it’s “negative”? How is that talking shit? I feel like talking shit is usually more of a personal attack. Like “so and so sucks, they are a bad skier” not “I don’t like vhs filters”
**This post was edited on Nov 7th 2023 at 1:57:18pm
gravel
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i agree with some points
individual parts - for those of us who grew up watching PBP, Level 1, etc. this was the standard for over a decade. but there's a certain point where watching videos of the same structure, individual parts plus a park shoot, gets repetitive and people want to come up with new ways to explore making a video. plus, a skier ten years ago would mostly be seen only in their movie part and a few web edits. for worse or for worse, instagram means fans can access their favorite skier's content individually, so i think that removes some of the stress of spotlighting someone in a video. i think the jumbled-up collage structure has trended up over the last five years, i don't think it's going away, but i also think there will be more videos soon that return to the part-based model. personally, after bermuda i was so tired of making solo parts, there were other creative things i wanted to try that just don't work in videos that are part-based without stepping on your friends' toes and limiting their visions for their parts. plus, so much of the gratification of skiing is making something with your friends, and i think videos that mix everyone together are a little more genuine to that. it becomes less focused on the individual and more focused on the crew together, indistinguishably, and i like that feeling. but i also understand gripes about not being able to identify people in the video.
calling for research is borderline, it's really not worth the time. we're all nerds, but the amount of work it would take to do your homework, watch hundreds of videos and movies, many of which aren't on youtube, let alone remember every spot and trick, is absurd. newcomers shouldn't feel obligated to frame their skiing through a context of the past, though i think there is extra respect to those who care about those legacies. i'm not saying it's not a bad look to repeat tricks in the same way on the same spots, nor is calling people out for being unoriginal, but reimagining a trick or a way to hit a past spot is great. then, there are just times when people are going to have the same vision someone already had, have no idea about it, and do it - i.e. Chilly frontflip thru the tree in duluth this year was same spot, same trick as Pete did four years ago, and they're good homies. also, same thing with music - this year i used a song in nico's video which suede already used last year, cluelessly, despite having watched the suede video a couple times. (luckily we were told before dropping the vid, so we changed it)
recycling clips sucks, boring broll sucks, slomo sucks 95% of the time.
individual parts - for those of us who grew up watching PBP, Level 1, etc. this was the standard for over a decade. but there's a certain point where watching videos of the same structure, individual parts plus a park shoot, gets repetitive and people want to come up with new ways to explore making a video. plus, a skier ten years ago would mostly be seen only in their movie part and a few web edits. for worse or for worse, instagram means fans can access their favorite skier's content individually, so i think that removes some of the stress of spotlighting someone in a video. i think the jumbled-up collage structure has trended up over the last five years, i don't think it's going away, but i also think there will be more videos soon that return to the part-based model. personally, after bermuda i was so tired of making solo parts, there were other creative things i wanted to try that just don't work in videos that are part-based without stepping on your friends' toes and limiting their visions for their parts. plus, so much of the gratification of skiing is making something with your friends, and i think videos that mix everyone together are a little more genuine to that. it becomes less focused on the individual and more focused on the crew together, indistinguishably, and i like that feeling. but i also understand gripes about not being able to identify people in the video.
calling for research is borderline, it's really not worth the time. we're all nerds, but the amount of work it would take to do your homework, watch hundreds of videos and movies, many of which aren't on youtube, let alone remember every spot and trick, is absurd. newcomers shouldn't feel obligated to frame their skiing through a context of the past, though i think there is extra respect to those who care about those legacies. i'm not saying it's not a bad look to repeat tricks in the same way on the same spots, nor is calling people out for being unoriginal, but reimagining a trick or a way to hit a past spot is great. then, there are just times when people are going to have the same vision someone already had, have no idea about it, and do it - i.e. Chilly frontflip thru the tree in duluth this year was same spot, same trick as Pete did four years ago, and they're good homies. also, same thing with music - this year i used a song in nico's video which suede already used last year, cluelessly, despite having watched the suede video a couple times. (luckily we were told before dropping the vid, so we changed it)
recycling clips sucks, boring broll sucks, slomo sucks 95% of the time.
Christian_Bale
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14562866:hi_vis360 said:
damn I hope that's not true
sindreplassen
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14562766:Farmville420 said:
dude filmed for alien like 15 years before preme but ait
sindreplassen
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14562866:hi_vis360 said:
he had a full part in stain
SofaKingSick
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yo nerds what ever happened to using ramped slow mo/actually using slow mo in a smart way?
we were starting to get there and away from boring as fuck full slow mo shots and then it just stopped happening again
we were starting to get there and away from boring as fuck full slow mo shots and then it just stopped happening again
icy_park_jump
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14562958:eheath said:
It’s constructive because I think that not doing that would improve the quality of the video esp if you’re going to cut to HD footage over and over. I actually made a mistake, what I am referring to is not vhs. It’s the stuff with all the film burn that looks kinda like this.
Farmville420
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14562961:sindreplassen said:
Yeah, and for 15 years nobody knew who he was. The Supreme team gave him a career and it's crazy to hear him talk in interviews about how the riders should be grateful he's filming them when in reality he should be grateful Supreme gave him the privilege of filming their riders. I promise you if that didn't happen he would still be where he was 12 years ago and whoever started filming for Supreme would be in the same position he is now.
He is a game changing filmer but don't get it twisted, his success isn't solely because of his filming.
icy_park_jump
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14562967:eheath said:
Yeah I get it, you’re just here to criticize people for criticizing people.
icy_park_jump
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14562975:eheath said:
Dude I’m just being honest about my opinion on a thread titled “content rant.” I’m not trying to change the world here. There have been plenty of times where everyone is going “omg that’s so cool” and I’m like “Am I the only one who think this is fucking stupid?” And it can be validating to see that you’re not alone.
AndrewGravesSV
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14562928:Bernie585 said:
Keep reading the thread to see if you learn something or if you have an original idea or opinion you want to share
I think in general it can get super formulaic to just have rider parts and its super hard to stack enough clips to have a full part in one season. Its cool to elevate the whole crew and make people research who each skier is when you've got a mixed bag without names. Part of me thinks that its a good way to split up the footage that allows riders to release self cuts months after with just their clips to keep some content going without having to stack completely new stuff. I like a mix where one or two riders who went super hard can get a full part in the movie cause it can help break it up a bit and give some continuity to the movie imo
SofaKingSick
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14562973:gravel said:
yeah i mean it's subjective and you don't want to overuse it (that'd just be another skating trend hopped onto!). but sometimes it's perfect to show everything you need in one shot and highlight a portion of the trick without killing the whole clip with slow mo
basically my feeling on it is-- if/when you must use slow mo, ramping should be used whenever it makes sense. but it's just not used much. happy that slow mo use in general has slowed down (ha-ha) though, if only because shittier cameras are more popular these days lol
14562979:icy_park_jump said:
It's useless to talk shit on something you don't like. Most people don't want your "constructive criticism", especially people who just spend an entire winter, spending every dollar they have, getting hurt, chasing snow, spending weeks editing, putting everything into making this video to hear you say "i DoNt LiKe ThE fIlTeR yOu UsEd"
My only point is appreciate what we have instead of breaking it down frame by frame.
**This post was edited on Nov 7th 2023 at 2:50:47pm
ceDRO
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I like parts but not every time it really limits the creativity when you see the same 4 jumps hit throughout a whole movie, which don't get me wrong is fine I just chose to do it differently in my movies. As far as the insta sharing and stuff goes it is so hard for people to sit on their own clips Its outrageous to be honest. And then once the premier comes around everyones wishing they hadn't leaked their clip for the instant gratification its like clockwork
SofaKingSick
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14562989:Rparr said:
totally. i clarified what i meant a little above, i'm happy slow mo is used less these days in general, i'm just saying that WHEN it's used there are a lot of times that a ramp would be much better than just showing the whole clip in slow mo
icy_park_jump
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14562985:eheath said:
Ok that’s a good point. I’m coming from a perspective of only interacting with ski movies from behind a computer screen, and seeing multiple per day. From that perspective it’s easy to say that I don’t like a filter, and I can see why people who work their asses of to make these movies would not want to hear my petty criticism.
I don’t think I am a better editor than the people who make the movies, and my intention is not to tell them what to do. Maybe it is useless to talk shit about things you don’t like but I don’t think the answer is to never express it. If you don’t like what I have to say feel free to torture me by putting out more videos with cringy filters.
**This post was edited on Nov 7th 2023 at 3:05:31pm
sindreplassen
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14562970:Farmville420 said:
bro he filmed for alien workshop, most stacked team back in the day. big videos like photosynthesis and mindfield for example, people definitely knew who he was and he has worked his way up. he is a weird dude no doubt but I can’t remember him saying that skaters(that he put on preme btw) should be grateful for being in his vids. cherry was very unique at the time, not everyone can just come up with that formula.
my point was why certain influential filmers decide to not throw names in there to provide some insight but whatever
Farmville420
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14563004:sindreplassen said:
You can twist it any way you want really, I'm doing the same no doubt, but I'm also from there and most of my friends are skateboarders and having been close to that scene for maybe 13 years I just know people don't fuck with him and think he's a scummy dude. The internet can make him seem like a beloved savoir of NY skateboarding but most people just think he's a prick so my view is pretty skewed and I'll just never fuck with him
SteezyYeeter
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14562927:icy_park_jump said:
grainy shots are hella cool, especially for the skiing. literally just get glasses.