Content rant

[Young_patty]

The next few paragraphs might seem like I'm hating on the sport but I'm just trying to voice my opinion and see if it aligns with anyone else or maybe I'm just an oldhead.

Also no one cares about your B-roll unless its degenerate behavior or funny antics. Seriously we've seen a jump get built 1000x times before. And cut it out with the slow-mo.

Thanks in advance for the downvotes.

Aight, I only disagree with you on 1 point:

But first of all, aren't you like 16? None of these are really old head takes. In fact it lines up almost perfectly with what every other 16 year old has been saying on this site for a while. One of these threads usually comes around about once or twice a generation, not really an old head thing, just a skier thing- people have always complained about movies. And yeah Ik I'm just being rhetorical, but I still feel like it's a point that should be said.

But I think all B-roll should be welcomed in skiing, degenerate shit is aight but it's been soooooo played out. I couldn't even tell you how many edits I've seen with people yelling at security or breaking shit, it reeks of teenage angst- and it's pretty cringe if you're over the age of 17.

To me at least, B-roll tells you a lot about a skier or film makers personality. The B-roll I use for example- is all just references for my close friends to see. In my 21-22 edit I used some Mortal Kombat fatalities for B-roll. Some people asked me why Mortal Kombat? Or why those particular fatalities? It was because my friends and I used to skip school and sometimes hungout at a retro video game store at the mall, and the owner would let us play the Mortal Kombat machine for free. Furthermore, those characters are the ones my friends and I used the most: I used Johnny Cash, my buddy used Raiden, and my other buddy used Sub-Zero. So I put those in the edit because it got them hyped to see a reference from a niche point of our childhood, and it shows others a unique aspect of my personality as a skier (and human).

I made another edit over the summer out of boredom- same thing. My buddy loves watching old 80's and 90's animation, the B-roll in that edit was from a Ken Ishii music video that was made by a legendary animator from the time period. The original video was actually the first time that animation was used in a mainstream R&B music video, and one of the first times that a large record label used animation at all. Buddy asked if skiing ever used animation like that and I said "not really" so he said I should make an edit using Ken Ishii's 'Extra' as B-roll, because then it would be one of the first ski edits to use animation- just like how "Extra" was one of the first music videos to use animation. So that whole thing was basically just something I made for him.

I guess to be completely honest, I don't make edits for y'all to enjoy- I make them for my friends, and then just post them here (because making an edit and not posting it is a bitch move). Anytime I'm selecting B-roll I'm thinking about something that my friends will pick up on and enjoy- not the general public. So when I see other edits with weird or strange B-roll, I think of it more as an indicator to who they are as a person, and just assume that it's a reference for their friends too.

 

[BLandz]

It's useless to talk shit on something you don't like. Most people don't want your "constructive criticism", especially people who just spend an entire winter, spending every dollar they have, getting hurt, chasing snow, spending weeks editing, putting everything into making this video to hear you say "i DoNt LiKe ThE fIlTeR yOu UsEd"

My only point is appreciate what we have instead of breaking it down frame by frame.

**This post was edited on Nov 7th 2023 at 2:50:47pm

Like I said before, when u post something on the internet you asking for ppl to judge it. This thread makes everyone seem much more judgemental than they actually are in practice. Like for example, I said I think using VHS Broll clips is played out and lame (more specifically in board vids), but if someone does it, the video isn’t a write off.

How much you enjoy a video is very linear. This isn’t exact science but here is a decent way of looking at it: Lets say you subconsciously rate every clip out of 10. If all the clips average out to 8 out of 10, but they used VHS broll, the ender sucked, and whatever other negative things. You still enjoyed the video, maybe even commented on how good it was despite those things. To say in a thread about what you like/don’t like about videos isn’t being overly critical. We are saying how we genuinely feel because we want to see people make better content, which leads to more likes for them, which leads to everyone being happier. I think its just trippy reading it in this format.

Like there is 100% someone in this thread that makes videos that is going to level up their craft from reading this and the next edit they make, maybe it doesn’t get a million views, but their own personal replay value of the video will increase, and at the end of the day thats what its all about imo - Making something you are proud of that you can watch back in 10 years and say “fuck ya, my video is still sick”.

 

[eheath]

Like I said before, when u post something on the internet you asking for ppl to judge it.

IMO when people put a video online, especially a year long street film, they don't want you to judge it, they want you to enjoy it. Just my two cents.

**This post was edited on Nov 7th 2023 at 4:09:45pm

 

[Christian_Bale]

It's useless to talk shit on something you don't like. Most people don't want your "constructive criticism", especially people who just spend an entire winter, spending every dollar they have, getting hurt, chasing snow, spending weeks editing, putting everything into making this video to hear you say "i DoNt LiKe ThE fIlTeR yOu UsEd"

My only point is appreciate what we have instead of breaking it down frame by frame.

**This post was edited on Nov 7th 2023 at 2:50:47pm

very valid points but I think it can be useful for video creators to know people's unfiltered thoughts on here regarding what they like and don't like. It's not useful or constructive if people are just hating and being dicks about it. At the end of the day everyone can do what they want and choose whether or not they agree with points being made. Basically, I think it's valid to say "I don't like when skiers/filmers do x." No one is required to agree. As someone who films and edits I definitely take into consideration all the takes I read here, although I might not agree with all them.

 

[eheath]

I guess to be completely honest, I don't make edits for y'all to enjoy- I make them for my friends, and then just post them here

This is it right here. People don't care what some rando on the internet thinks of their edit, most "constructive criticism" is completely unwanted and made by people who are not making content.

 

[Lukeobrien]

Aight, I only disagree with you on 1 point:

But first of all, aren't you like 16? None of these are really old head takes. In fact it lines up almost perfectly with what every other 16 year old has been saying on this site for a while. One of these threads usually comes around about once or twice a generation, not really an old head thing, just a skier thing- people have always complained about movies. And yeah Ik I'm just being rhetorical, but I still feel like it's a point that should be said.

But I think all B-roll should be welcomed in skiing, degenerate shit is aight but it's been soooooo played out. I couldn't even tell you how many edits I've seen with people yelling at security or breaking shit, it reeks of teenage angst- and it's pretty cringe if you're over the age of 17.

To me at least, B-roll tells you a lot about a skier or film makers personality. The B-roll I use for example- is all just references for my close friends to see. In my 21-22 edit I used some Mortal Kombat fatalities for B-roll. Some people asked me why Mortal Kombat? Or why those particular fatalities? It was because my friends and I used to skip school and sometimes hungout at a retro video game store at the mall, and the owner would let us play the Mortal Kombat machine for free. Furthermore, those characters are the ones my friends and I used the most: I used Johnny Cash, my buddy used Raiden, and my other buddy used Sub-Zero. So I put those in the edit because it got them hyped to see a reference from a niche point of our childhood, and it shows others a unique aspect of my personality as a skier (and human).

I made another edit over the summer out of boredom- same thing. My buddy loves watching old 80's and 90's animation, the B-roll in that edit was from a Ken Ishii music video that was made by a legendary animator from the time period. The original video was actually the first time that animation was used in a mainstream R&B music video, and one of the first times that a large record label used animation at all. Buddy asked if skiing ever used animation like that and I said "not really" so he said I should make an edit using Ken Ishii's 'Extra' as B-roll, because then it would be one of the first ski edits to use animation- just like how "Extra" was one of the first music videos to use animation. So that whole thing was basically just something I made for him.

I guess to be completely honest, I don't make edits for y'all to enjoy- I make them for my friends, and then just post them here (because making an edit and not posting it is a bitch move). Anytime I'm selecting B-roll I'm thinking about something that my friends will pick up on and enjoy- not the general public. So when I see other edits with weird or strange B-roll, I think of it more as an indicator to who they are as a person, and just assume that it's a reference for their friends too.

I turn 25 next month lol

 

[Young_patty]

I turn 25 next month lol

Gawdamn you're older than me lol!

My B though, had you confused for another person, smh.

 

[BLandz]

IMO when people put a video online, especially a year long street film, they don't want you to judge it, they want you to enjoy it. Just my two cents.

**This post was edited on Nov 7th 2023 at 4:09:45pm

You are definitely right but unfortunately if the video sucks people aren’t gonna lie to themselves is all im saying. Best example is the new Bunch vid. Im sure it feels really bad reading all the negative comments but you either learn from it and come back with a banger video or you double down and ruin your reputation. If somebody makes videos solely for personal gratification thats awesome but if its wack its wack. Like I said, the thread makes it seem much more judgmental than it actually is. Like honestly my latest vid wasn’t really that great but nobody is gonna come make judgemental comments on it because im just a nobody, its way different than a professional who is actually representing the sport

**This post was edited on Nov 7th 2023 at 4:34:22pm

 

[PussyFinder]

What is this book club? It’s skiing bro… people going to do what they want.

Keep reading the thread to see if you learn something or if you have an original idea or opinion you want to share

I think in general it can get super formulaic to just have rider parts and its super hard to stack enough clips to have a full part in one season. Its cool to elevate the whole crew and make people research who each skier is when you've got a mixed bag without names. Part of me thinks that its a good way to split up the footage that allows riders to release self cuts months after with just their clips to keep some content going without having to stack completely new stuff. I like a mix where one or two riders who went super hard can get a full part in the movie cause it can help break it up a bit and give some continuity to the movie imo

 

[BLandz]

Alright I wish you all the best but I couldn’t be fucked with reading any more of this thread its too time consuming everybody is wack af im gonna go film myself 5050 back 1 on a snowboard with a iphone on a tripod 50 feet away on 0.5 and using post production i’ll motion track myself, add a vhs filter and maybe i’tll be a clip in the new dustbox ur all nothing campared to me

 

[PussyFinder]

An old head take would be more like not giving a shit about other people

Gawdamn you're older than me lol!

My B though, had you confused for another person, smh.

 

[eheath]

You are definitely right but unfortunately if the video sucks people aren’t gonna lie to themselves is all im saying. Best example is the new Bunch vid. Im sure it feels really bad reading all the negative comments but you either learn from it and come back with a banger video or you double down and ruin your reputation.

**This post was edited on Nov 7th 2023 at 4:34:22pm

This is a poor example, a professional production like the bunch isn't changing how they make a film because a handful of posts online that say they didn't like it. This is why I was saying making a video is art, people are going to make it how they want, not how you want it. Get what im saying?

As for non-pros im sure tons of people appreciate feedback, even when its negative, but we're talking about very different end goals.

 

[Woody.]

Yeah, and for 15 years nobody knew who he was. The Supreme team gave him a career and it's crazy to hear him talk in interviews about how the riders should be grateful he's filming them when in reality he should be grateful Supreme gave him the privilege of filming their riders. I promise you if that didn't happen he would still be where he was 12 years ago and whoever started filming for Supreme would be in the same position he is now.

He is a game changing filmer but don't get it twisted, his success isn't solely because of his filming.

I think it’s a great example of right person right time. Storebeck undoubtedly has had the blessing of filming some of the best skaters of our generation. But to say that supreme would be the same without him is wrong. He completely change skate filming with cherry. Almost all videos after that have a distinct storebeck influence. His style has seeped into skiing and snowboarding as well. He had a different vision then others at that time and made a genre defining video. No one else could’ve made cherry and to say that it’s more popular due to the riders vs the video is just wrong. It’s a symbiotic relationship.

tldr: I like strobeck

 

[weastcoat]

Hard agree that individual parts need to come back.

When people talk about their favorite segments of all time, they are always going to say an athlete segment. Mixed skier segments are less memorable in general. Solo segments feel like a much bolder statement to me, and they do way more for the skier I think.

It kinda frustrates me some of the skiers that we have never seen a proper segment from. Why has Ian king never had a full segment?? He is one of the sickest and most stylish street skiers of our time, and half of you probably have no idea who tf I am even talking about right now, cause all of his clips in zootspace and other movies are just mixed in all over the place.

I think not having individual segments is more engaging from a viewer standpoint. Like a certain skier’s style? It encourages you to find other films or videos out there that they are featured in. And when i find myself doing that, I don’t skip through the video just to watch their clips, I watch the whole thing (unless it’s pow/ backcountry clips lmao), which broadens my knowledge and has led me to many other riders and content creators that i really like that I may not have found otherwise.

also a positive from the producers standpoint because it gives more people exposure to your video or whatever you’re creating.

 

[hi_vis360]

He has his own segment in one of the older Vishnu movies. It’s to a Gucci mane track. Shits hard

Isn't this segment super short though? Like 5 or 6 clips?

he had a full part in stain

I didn’t realize stain had rider segments, will have to rewatch

 

[hi_vis360]

This is it right here. People don't care what some rando on the internet thinks of their edit, most "constructive criticism" is completely unwanted and made by people who are not making content.

I don’t agree with this. For me personally, I would rather get praise from the street skiing connoisseurs that spend time on NS than I would from my friends on insta. Everyone on insta will like my shit regardless of weather it’s good or not because they’re friends with me. Whereas getting upvotes from the critical assholes on this website, that means something. Some of my edits are def just for the homies and I always post those on instagram as well as on here, but any street content I put out I want to be seen and critiqued by other street skiers, and newschoolers is much better place for that than instagram.

**This post was edited on Nov 7th 2023 at 7:05:48pm

 

[hi_vis360]

I think not having individual segments is more engaging from a viewer standpoint. Like a certain skier’s style? It encourages you to find other films or videos out there that they are featured in. And when i find myself doing that, I don’t skip through the video just to watch their clips, I watch the whole thing (unless it’s pow/ backcountry clips lmao), which broadens my knowledge and has led me to many other riders and content creators that i really like that I may not have found otherwise.

also a positive from the producers standpoint because it gives more people exposure to your video or whatever you’re creating.

I just really enjoy having all of a skiers clips in one spot because I think you can get a better feel of that skiers style. Take for example the keeshlife movies: Lauri kivari, psycho p, and antti all have super different skiing styles. If they were all mashed together, I don’t think I would have gained an appreciation for each one of them individually, especially for skiers like Lauri who have slightly more understated styles. I think individual segments are more engaging because it feels like there is more variety and changes of pace in the video.

I’ve always been strongly against skipping segments. If a ski movie is good, it should be good from beginning to end. Sometimes is takes a few watches to fully appreciate someone’s style, and if you skip segments you can cheat yourself out of discovering someone whose skiing might lack that “wow” factor but might be really really good. Tanner rainville in the L1P movies is a good example of that.

 

[weastcoat]

I just really enjoy having all of a skiers clips in one spot because I think you can get a better feel of that skiers style. Take for example the keeshlife movies: Lauri kivari, psycho p, and antti all have super different skiing styles. If they were all mashed together, I don’t think I would have gained an appreciation for each one of them individually, especially for skiers like Lauri who have slightly more understated styles. I think individual segments are more engaging because it feels like there is more variety and changes of pace in the video.

I’ve always been strongly against skipping segments. If a ski movie is good, it should be good from beginning to end. Sometimes is takes a few watches to fully appreciate someone’s style, and if you skip segments you can cheat yourself out of discovering someone whose skiing might lack that “wow” factor but might be really really good. Tanner rainville in the L1P movies is a good example of that.

Fair. I just have no interest in watching anyone shred pow or backcountry slush booters so if an edit has that to begin with I’m already not going to fuck with it as much haha.

 

[hi_vis360]

Fair. I just have no interest in watching anyone shred pow or backcountry slush booters so if an edit has that to begin with I’m already not going to fuck with it as much haha.

It’s def hard to relate to bc content if you haven’t skied that type of terrain and it’s doesn’t help that most bc content is completely devoid of personality and creativity. I remember when I went out to British Columbia and actually skied pillows for the first time it made pillow clips 100x more interesting, like that shit is so fucking hard you can’t see anything and it’s all so unpredictable. I really liked the new drink butter movie, but again I spent a whole season at Alta/bird, so it’s much more relatable. Park and street content has an advantage because it’s pretty similar anywhere you do it so anybody who has hit a rail before has a decent idea of what it’s like

 

[Farmville420]

Fair. I just have no interest in watching anyone shred pow or backcountry slush booters so if an edit has that to begin with I’m already not going to fuck with it as much haha.

Whenever I move back east we're gonna boot pack tuckermans together and I promise you will immediately fuck with BC on site

 

[twerkphone64]

Storytelling is important, at least to me.

????????

 

[SteezyYeeter]

Whenever I move back east we're gonna boot pack tuckermans together and I promise you will immediately fuck with BC on site

can i join ?

 

[John18_6]

 

[rudolph]

Funny that you think Luke didn't used to watch those old movies, he literally referenced them in the exact podcast you quoted.

Watching them is great, he made that point very clear but scaling back your skiing to hit local spots and calling it creative is digressing skiing and boarding. My comment may have came across way harsher than meant bc i see skiing going in a negative direction. Again its my opinion and his style of skiing is not my cup of tea nor any old heads. If you want to put rules on street skiing its a poor take but if you hit small features with huge jumps, just know you are going to get some heat.Same as bad style, insert shitty A. Watts quote.

 

[weastcoat]

Whenever I move back east we're gonna boot pack tuckermans together and I promise you will immediately fuck with BC on site

Good chance this will be my last winter here ?. SLC move once I land a job out there.

 

[Young_patty]

For me personally, I would rather get praise from the street skiing connoisseurs that spend time on NS than I would from my friends on insta.

**This post was edited on Nov 7th 2023 at 7:05:48pm

You'd rather get praise from rando's on NS than your actual IRL friends???

 

[SuspiciousFish]

Im 35 and have been skiing my whole life and here is my .02.

First off the stoke has been off the charts this year for edits coming out. Honestly, I cant think of another year I have seen so many crews out putting out banger videos. So hell yeah in that regard, anything else is just talking about details which is a good place to be.

Regarding rider segments, it was cool to see back in the day but location based shots are probably a better format for a 10 min video instead of a 45 min professional setup. That being said, definitely put in tags. I dont have Instagram and dont know who 99% of these guys are so it would be cool to at least have something to piece together.

As for progression, I really dont give a shit that past generations may have gone bigger or gnarlier on street features. Skiing went through its initial phase of trying to figure out what it even meant to hit rails on twin tips, to progressing as hard as possible to the point where we legit had to have conversations about accepting watching young people die for the sport. Look up wrecks like the Dumont overshoot and Dereck Sponge hitting an ice wall and almost tearing his heart out. Yeah STEPT went big as fuck but it took a huge mental toll on them. I gave away my copy of Mutiny because it was depressing to watch, especially since I went to CU with some of the crew and saw buddies succumb to the same drug shit they did. Then we shifted to this strange pendulum shift with the "Swerve movement" which was kind of a rebellion against the progression for an artistic endeavor. I get why it happened but honestly thank god we are getting past 10 min edits with 4 min intros and another 3 min of artistic B-Roll only to get some shots of jumping on a pick nick table. So we have now kind of gone full circle where kids are just having fun and throwing down features for the sheer fun of it and I cant be more stoked on that. Maybe I am just getting older but watching young crews having a blast and doing stupid shit on film really makes me happy and stoked on skiing. Yeah the antics kind of get old but I mean these kids all watched the antics from our mid 2000s edits and if they want to have fun emulating that then thats fine with me.

Recycling content from Insta is a new concept and I get skiers nowadays need to constantly feed their audience to make a name but I can see where it takes the excitement from an actual edit when a movie comes out. That was part of the fun back in the day. You had no idea what Tanner Hall or Dumont did the last year until you all piled into some venue full of skiers and had your mind blown. I dont really know how to solve this but you really never get the same effect watching a 3 second clip vs an actual put together edit.

As for new features vs old I agree to an extent. There is almost a limitless amount of urban out there and there are tools like google maps which we never had before. OnX is a hunting app but you can actually use it for urban for tagging locations and posting photos etc. That being said, urban skiing has been around for over 20 years so its natural someone is going to hit the same feature as before. It really doesnt bother me and its been happening for years. I remember there is some foot bridge in Vail that has probably been done 10 times in different movies over the years going way back.

Anyway, the fact we have so much banger content and we can nitpick on stuff means skiing is in a good place right now so fuck yeah.

 

[AndrewGravesSV]

You'd rather get praise from rando's on NS than your actual IRL friends???

Honestly yeah cause I trust that my friends will gas me up if its even halfway decent. Most people look at a ski video and think wow those are some neat stunts (especially rail tricks), on Newschoolers people know whats up

 

[PAAKKU]

i agree with some points

individual parts - for those of us who grew up watching PBP, Level 1, etc. this was the standard for over a decade. but there's a certain point where watching videos of the same structure, individual parts plus a park shoot, gets repetitive and people want to come up with new ways to explore making a video. plus, a skier ten years ago would mostly be seen only in their movie part and a few web edits. for worse or for worse, instagram means fans can access their favorite skier's content individually, so i think that removes some of the stress of spotlighting someone in a video. i think the jumbled-up collage structure has trended up over the last five years, i don't think it's going away, but i also think there will be more videos soon that return to the part-based model. personally, after bermuda i was so tired of making solo parts, there were other creative things i wanted to try that just don't work in videos that are part-based without stepping on your friends' toes and limiting their visions for their parts. plus, so much of the gratification of skiing is making something with your friends, and i think videos that mix everyone together are a little more genuine to that. it becomes less focused on the individual and more focused on the crew together, indistinguishably, and i like that feeling. but i also understand gripes about not being able to identify people in the video.

calling for research is borderline, it's really not worth the time. we're all nerds, but the amount of work it would take to do your homework, watch hundreds of videos and movies, many of which aren't on youtube, let alone remember every spot and trick, is absurd. newcomers shouldn't feel obligated to frame their skiing through a context of the past, though i think there is extra respect to those who care about those legacies. i'm not saying it's not a bad look to repeat tricks in the same way on the same spots, nor is calling people out for being unoriginal, but reimagining a trick or a way to hit a past spot is great. then, there are just times when people are going to have the same vision someone already had, have no idea about it, and do it - i.e. Chilly frontflip thru the tree in duluth this year was same spot, same trick as Pete did four years ago, and they're good homies. also, same thing with music - this year i used a song in nico's video which suede already used last year, cluelessly, despite having watched the suede video a couple times. (luckily we were told before dropping the vid, so we changed it)

recycling clips sucks, boring broll sucks, slomo sucks 95% of the time.

Agree with about anything said here.

Mix type videos are trending right now and i think a big reason for it is because you dont have to go get 15+ shots for every skier, you can go film as a crew and just stack as much as you can for a crew video. Imo solid mixed montage type video is better than a video with short 5-10 clip solo parts. Then again solid solo video part with 12-20+ clips is a very timeless piece and can have a bigger legacy that the mixed video.

Also as a video maker myself im very down to read some constructive or not so constructive critisism

 

[Farmville420]

can i join ?

Don't you actually rip IRL

 

[Christian_Bale]

You'd rather get praise from rando's on NS than your actual IRL friends???

For me, it makes sense for someone's main goal to be creating a video where everyone involved (ie your friends) are stoked on it - something that they'll feel proud to look back on and maybe show to their friends, family, etc. That's what's most important to me, and I imagine a decent amount of people feel the same way.

As a secondary goal, you'd want other people who weren't involved to enjoy it. In this regard I agree with Hi vis. I feel like friends are kinda obligated to say they liked it or whatever. That's always appreciated of course, but personally I really appreciate it when people who have no obligation or connection to you (ie randos on NS, YT, etc) leave a message or comment to say they liked your video.

 

[SteezyYeeter]

Don't you actually rip IRL

haha im sure i could keep up

 

[hi_vis360]

You'd rather get praise from rando's on NS than your actual IRL friends???

Lmao yikes bro. My friends will always praise my content regardless of whether it’s good or not, that’s what friends are for. Some rando isn’t going to give me the thumbs up unless they actually enjoy it. I want to make content that inspires other people to go street skiing, so it does matter that it appeals to total strangers.

 

[hi_vis360]

Watching them is great, he made that point very clear but scaling back your skiing to hit local spots and calling it creative is digressing skiing and boarding. My comment may have came across way harsher than meant bc i see skiing going in a negative direction. Again its my opinion and his style of skiing is not my cup of tea nor any old heads. If you want to put rules on street skiing its a poor take but if you hit small features with huge jumps, just know you are going to get some heat.Same as bad style, insert shitty A. Watts quote.

Can you elaborate a little about why you think skiing is going in the wrong direction?

I’ve been watching ski vids since they were on vhs and I think we are in a sick era of skiing. There are so many different styles and flavors in street skiing right now I find it hard to believe that someone couldn’t find something they like. Like style? Watch activity or brushino. Like huck and pray? Watch the runge. Like XXL superhero shit? Watch magma or forre. Into creative spot and trick selection? Watch daycare. Like amateur diy vibes? Check out a frantic guys video.

It seems like ever since the tall t era ended there have been dudes saying that so and so is RUINING skiing, that shit is going downhill, etc etc, and honestly I haven’t seen any of that play out. Calling out dudes for building cheese wedges onto small rails and doing shitty front swaps is valid. But making vague statements about how everything sucks now and the young guns are ruining the sport seems like an effort to stop progression and encourage people to endlessly emulate a certain era or style of skiing, just because you personally decided that it was the best.

 

[AlexHall]

Honestly loved the movie. Really entertaining and I agree with some of these points. But you are talking about how it's not dope to hit stuff that's ABD, but you hit so many spots that are ABD in this film. Pyramid was the ender and it has been hit a lot.

 

[MAGMA.film]

Pfff who’s this homie??

Honestly loved the movie. Really entertaining and I agree with some of these points. But you are talking about how it's not dope to hit stuff that's ABD, but you hit so many spots that are ABD in this film. Pyramid was the ender and it has been hit a lot.

 

[snowfinder]

Pfff who’s this homie??

Idk, is he related to Tanner Hall?

 

[AndrewGravesSV]

Idk, is he related to Tanner Hall?

Nepo Baby

 

[Lukeobrien]

Honestly loved the movie. Really entertaining and I agree with some of these points. But you are talking about how it's not dope to hit stuff that's ABD, but you hit so many spots that are ABD in this film. Pyramid was the ender and it has been hit a lot.

Appreciate the nice words about our flick. Means a lot coming from u. I’m cool with stuff that’s ABD as long your doing something new. In my part I didn’t feel as if I hit many spots that had been hit but I might be wrong. Ik the homies i hit street with don’t care so much about hitting original spots and they hit a bunch of ABD spots but I’m not going to control them. And yea I understand us having pyramids in our movie is controversial to what I posted but I didn’t hit it or build any of it. I personally didn’t feel as if I could do anything new or exciting on it, but was stoked to point the cameras at the homies

**This post was edited on Nov 9th 2023 at 2:27:39pm

 

[mikem]

There is a whitewater kayaker who criticized people for chasing first descents.

his argument was chasing these increases the danger of the boater and also decreases the achievement of future boaters.

Rivers don’t change as much as the streets. But hitting an ABD spot is fine imo. It’s cool to see new things but I’m pretty certain no one is going to talk shit to a persons first street part even if it’s all ABDs

 

[Trifes]

About the ABD spots, for us(our crew) we always had a personal unwritten rule:

if you're going to a spot that has already been done, you either destroy it by 1-upping it in terms of tricks or you change the way you approach that said spot in terms of creativity, transform it etc.

But each to their own you know.

In regards of the parts:

Personally, i full agree, some of these crews spend a year on it. So I'd love to see some more individual parts, to really allow for maximum expressions, only mixtapes (which is the extreme end of this discussions) are not really that sick if your a crew imo.

At least mix it up from time to time or as some people here mentioned, tag namely the homie through the appearances.

But as e.heath has mentioned it, there is no formula, it's "kind of art" at the end so they are free to do as they see fit.

 

[WoFIowz]

Op's excuse for not hitting Chad's Gap and filming it: the Simpsons did it. Pussy.

 

[rudolph]

Can you elaborate a little about why you think skiing is going in the wrong direction?

I’ve been watching ski vids since they were on vhs and I think we are in a sick era of skiing. There are so many different styles and flavors in street skiing right now I find it hard to believe that someone couldn’t find something they like. Like style? Watch activity or brushino. Like huck and pray? Watch the runge. Like XXL superhero shit? Watch magma or forre. Into creative spot and trick selection? Watch daycare. Like amateur diy vibes? Check out a frantic guys video.

It seems like ever since the tall t era ended there have been dudes saying that so and so is RUINING skiing, that shit is going downhill, etc etc, and honestly I haven’t seen any of that play out. Calling out dudes for building cheese wedges onto small rails and doing shitty front swaps is valid. But making vague statements about how everything sucks now and the young guns are ruining the sport seems like an effort to stop progression and encourage people to endlessly emulate a certain era or style of skiing, just because you personally decided that it was the best.

I did not say everything sucks, quite the opposite. Yes, Tiktok and IG have over saturated skiing with subpar footage. People are more in it for the dopamine rush, from likes and scribes but don't actually ski for their soul, just a fucking camera. Maybe there is more taking in main stream ski movies then there ever should be. And yes, there is a crew out there for everyone, just know that huck and pray shit is prettywack imo(I will always talk shit on that Juilan Carr type because its fucking reckless), that's all. Maybe less is more when it comes to trick selection. Also is nice to see an era in skiing where all styles are not the same, but mesh with others for video parts. Can we all be too hyper critical, sure, i am all the time, sometimes even on the internet.Too vague or do you want to keep going.

 

[STEEZUS_CHRI5T]

 

[hi_vis360]

I did not say everything sucks, quite the opposite. Yes, Tiktok and IG have over saturated skiing with subpar footage. People are more in it for the dopamine rush, from likes and scribes but don't actually ski for their soul, just a fucking camera. Maybe there is more taking in main stream ski movies then there ever should be. And yes, there is a crew out there for everyone, just know that huck and pray shit is prettywack imo(I will always talk shit on that Juilan Carr type because its fucking reckless), that's all. Maybe less is more when it comes to trick selection. Also is nice to see an era in skiing where all styles are not the same, but mesh with others for video parts. Can we all be too hyper critical, sure, i am all the time, sometimes even on the internet.Too vague or do you want to keep going.

Nah I get you now, I think we agree on most things. I think where we disagree is that I really don’t view the TikTok/instagram oriented content as the direction that skiing is going in. Companies might think that, but I don’t think that’s where the culture is headed. I don’t go on instagram very much anymore, so the only time I see Jackson karsteder clips is when people post them here, and on NS they usually get hate. Meanwhile the zootspace/jetskis dudes have some of the most clout and hype in the game right now, and they barely exist on social media.

can’t say I’m a Julian carr fan either and I would love to see more emphasis on style in street skiing, but I do enjoy some reckless hucking, reminds me of the early 2000s when people were just trying to do the biggest, gnarliest tricks and didn’t give a shit about the rules

 

[gravel]

but I didn’t hit it or build any of it. I personally didn’t feel as if I could do anything new or exciting on it, but was stoked to point the cameras at the homies

**This post was edited on Nov 9th 2023 at 2:27:39pm

bro have your homies' backs

 

[cool270out]

Holy shit you’re 25? Why are your skis grom length?

 

[qazwsxedc34]

Again, why hasn't Line TC visited Gaza? While Israel commits ethnic cleansing in violation of the Hague convention and the Geneva convention, we are reminded that HAMAS did give a shoutout to Newschoolers years ago.

 

[Sherm.]

As long as they're shovelling the stairs I'm cool with it.

 

[John18_6]

As long as they're shovelling the stairs I'm cool with it.

Bro that's literally skiers giving free labor for the property owner. The skiers should sue their ass by claiming they charge $20 for shoveling stairs but the property owner never paid up.

That's total bullshit that skiers can't get paid for shoveling stairs smh...