A Columbine Victims Father Has Something To Say

ryano

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On Thursday, Darrell Scott, the father of Rachel Scott, a victim of the Columbine High School shootings in Littleton, Colorado, was invited to address the House Judiciary Committee's subcommittee. What he said to our national leaders during this special session of Congress was painfully truthful.

They were not prepared for what he was to say, nor was it received well. It needs to be heard by every parent, every teacher, every politician, every sociologist, every psychologist, and every so-called expert! These courageous words spoken by Darrell Scott are powerful, penetrating, and deeply personal. There is no doubt that God sent this man as a voice crying in the wilderness. The following is a portion of the transcript:

"Since the dawn of creation there has been both good &evil in the hearts of men and women. We all contain the seeds of kindness or the seeds of violence. The death of my wonderful daughter, Rachel Joy Scott, and the deaths of that heroic teacher, and the other eleven children who died must not be in vain. Their blood cries out for answers.

"The first recorded act of violence was when Cain slew his brother Abel out in the field. The villain was not the club he used.. Neither was it the NCA, the National Club Association. The true killer was Cain, and the reason for the murder could only be found in Cain's heart.

"In the days that followed the Columbine tragedy, I was amazed at how quickly fingers began to be pointed at groups such as the NRA. I am not a member of the NRA. I am not a hunter. I do not even own a gun. I am not here to represent or defend the NRA - because I don't believe that they are responsible for my daughter's death. Therefore I do not believe that they need to be defended. If I believed they had anything to do with Rachel's murder I would be their strongest opponent

I am here today to declare that Columbine was not just a tragedy -- it was a spiritual event that should be forcing us to look at where the real blame lies! Much of the blame lies here in this room. Much of the blame lies behind the pointing fingers of the accusers themselves. I wrote a poem just four nights ago that expresses my feelings best.

Your laws ignore our deepest needs,

Your words are empty air.

You've stripped away our heritage,

You've outlawed simple prayer.

Now gunshots fill our classrooms,

And precious children die.

You seek for answers everywhere,

And ask the question "Why?"

You regulate restrictive laws,

Through legislative creed.

And yet you fail to understand,

That God is what we need!

"Men and women are three-part beings. We all consist of body, mind, and spirit. When we refuse to acknowledge a third part of our make-up, we create a void that allows evil, prejudice, and hatred to rush in and wreak havoc. Spiritual presences were present within our educational systems for most of our nation's history. Many of our major colleges began as theological seminaries. This is a historical fact.

What has happened to us as a nation? We have refused to honor God, and in so doing, we open the doors to hatred and violence. And when something as terrible as Columbine's tragedy occurs -- politicians immediately look for a scapegoat such as the NRA. They immediately seek to pass more restrictive laws that contribute to erode away our personal and private liberties. We do not need more restrictive laws.

Eric and Dylan would not have been stopped by metal detectors. No amount of gun laws can stop someone who spends months planning this type of massacre. The real villain lies within our own hearts.

"As my son Craig lay under that table in the school library and saw his two friends murdered before his very eyes, he did not hesitate to pray in school. I defy any law or politician to deny him that right! I challenge every young person in America , and around the world, to realize that on April 20, 1999, at Columbine High School prayer was brought back to our schools. Do not let the many prayers offered by those students be in vain. Dare to move into the new millennium with a sacred disregard for legislation that violates your God-given right to communicate with Him.

To those of you who would point your finger at the NRA -- I give to you a sincere challenge.. Dare to examine your own heart before casting the first stone!

My daughter's death will not be in vain! The young people of this country will not allow that to happen!"

- Darrell Scott
 
good argument about how its not the NRA's fault nor the fault of the parents or whatever

i'm not religious though so once he started blaming it on everyone for not being religious i thought he lost my support.

inb4 religious shitstorm
 
this.

after

"When we refuse to acknowledge a third part of our make-up, we create a void that allows evil, prejudice, and hatred to rush in and wreak havoc."

I stopped listening.
 
Really horrible speech. He completely lost me when he said kids praying more would eliminate school shootings. How does that change anything? Most kids don't pray at all, and most kids never shoot anybody. I don't see any correlation between prayer and shootings, and he didn't even attempt to prove a connection. Overall, the speech is completely unpersuasive. You'd have to be a sheep to take his speech at face value just because his daughter was shot.
 
I totally agree that the people are the problem not the guns. I'm with him on that argument that bad things will happen no matter how many laws we put in place. I think it's cool of him to be able to not blame them even though his daughter was killed.

Other than that he's completely off base. All these problems are simply because prayer was taken out of school? Really? Look at the bible, you could rape a girl as long as you married her and gave her dad some gold coins.

All the bad shit in the world happened because we don't FORCE everyone to pray in schools? Nobody is telling you you can't believe in god, pray, do whatever. All people want is the freedom to be able to choose their own path.

If you want to pray to some dude in the sky? Go for it, knock yourself out. I wasted a lot of time doing it myself so go ahead, take a stab. But don't come at me like a martyr and cry about how the world is ending because we don't all believe in god. Your religion is supposed to be based on free will. Let me exercise mine, and choose not to believe. If you think I'm going to hell then good for you. Go ahead and say a prayer for me, whatever, I don't care.

I just hate how religious people always play the victim. Look at all the hate and persecution different religions have caused. Look at the holy wars. Don't tell me that everything bad is happening simply because I choose not to pray to a fairy tale man in the sky.

If there was any real truth to this religion, why is almost every church a good amount different from the next? If the bible was truly the word of god, and he really wanted people to believe the truth, don't you think he'd make it a little easier to understand? Just in Christianity you have so many conflicting views that can't all be true.

If you're so brilliant that you've found the answers to the ultimate questions, how come so many of those answers are different? What makes your version right? If people were spending their whole lives dedicated to worshiping god, don't you think he'd have the decency to at least lay out the correct path?

It's true many of the major universities started as religious institutions. That doesn't mean anything though. At one point, religion was much bigger than it is today. Is that significant? At the same time we thought the earth was flat, the earth was the center of the universe, and that sea monsters were going to eat us. But of course even believing all that total bs, we had the answers to the ultimate questions.

SURE

Yeah yeah, you shouldn't judge christianity based on the people. At the same time, if I'm looking at the grand scope of the religion, I think it's safe to make some judgements on that. If people that KNOW everything about the earth , where we came from, where we're going, all from this little magic book, why can't some of those people understand some of the smallest and easiest to prove pieces of our existence.

Sorry but christianity at least as practiced by the majority is a fucking joke.

Sorry to be such a douche and rain on everyones parade but fuck it.

TLDR don't care
 
I feel like he wrote a speech then halfway through it decided to himself "fuck it, I'll just improvise."
 
Out of all the members on this site, you are the one who most likley has a fat cock in his mouth during any given point in the day. Fuck off.
 
Was that necessary? It wasn't like his post was way off base and fucked up.

All the bad stuff in the world is simply a result of not forcing people to do this in schools.

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If you want to practice religion that's fine, it's just kind of ridiculous that they have the balls to play the victim card. Nobody is going after religion, people just want the right to make their own choice. I don't see how that's so hard to grasp.
 
The funny part is, he's right. Do you honestly think that praying will stop people from killing other people?

The actual problem is people randomly spewing insults and demeaning other people (that would be you, assuming you're not trolling) simply because they have a different opinion or act differently. Everyone seems to be ignorant to the fact that for the most part, violence at this scale is stress related, and that stress stems from people not having the common courtesy to act kindly towards one another.
 
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Fixed that for ya. (mostly because I want to see what the picture is...)
 
He is not saying just because people dont pray its the problem. What he is saying America has been moving away from christian values and as a result things like this are becoming increasingly common. You have to be a sheep? What no. Maybe hes done a little more looking into the situation than you have because his daughter was shot.
 
Most flawed argument ever, how did this shit even make it to that sort of level. Anders Breivik was a full on practising Christian and his massacre was one of the worst in modern times, I would like to see how he would respond to that.
 
Yes, because his daughter was shot, it gives him instant credibility on all claims about christian values and violence.

I mean it sucks that his daughter was shot. It sucks that a lot of stuff happens. That doesn't mean his opinion is valid simply because something bad happened to him.

Scale back 60-70 years. People were a lot more religious at that point. Look at all the racial tensions and complete racial shit storms back then.

Don't act like there hasn't been any social progress. People are a lot less likely to get murdered these days over race or sexuality. Women have a ton more rights these days. Don't tell me about how everything was better in the past and bad shit just started happening because we turned our backs on god.

Also nobody has tried to force people to stop believing in their religions, Instead people really stepped up and started objecting to having religion forced on them. You call it a war on religion, I call it a step in the direction of free will and social progress.

 
Nobody was dismissing anything because of who he is. People were dismissing what he said because his argument was fucking retarded.

It had nothing to do with who he was or what happened to him. It had everything to do with it being completely ridiculous to say that everything bad is a result of not forcing people to pray in school/ moving away from god as a culture.
 
You cant make assumptions about a group of people based on one person. So buddy says hes a christian and goes out and kills a bunch of school kids when that is completely against every single christian value. Therefore he is not a christian. I can call my self black my skins still white so am not black. Its not difficult champ.
 
Poor analogy. Religion is a belief structure, not a physical quality. Even though you can't choose your physical attributes, you can still choose what you believe in.

But to humor your argument, murder IS a distinctly christian value. There are numerous instances where the bible commands the death of people for trivial crimes. You can't disown somebody as soon as they do something wrong. How do we know it wasn't his christian adherence that caused him to kill in the first place?

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Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. - [/i]Deuteronomy 17:12

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If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives. - [/i]Leviticus 20:13

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. - [/i]Exodus 21:15
 
"There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses"

Not really relevant but it's one of my favorite verses.
 
as soon as he dropped 'creation' in his opening sentence I stopped reading.

good vs evil is a crock of shit. reminds me of the love - fear shit from Donny Darko.
 
prayer has never been allowed to be endorsed by public schools. This guy should be bitching to the founding fathers graves if he has a problem with the secular republic we know as the u.s.a.
 
i completely agree on the no church in schools, but what i have taken away from my time in youth groups/church/bible camps/etc is that it isnt the religion and taking the values found in the bible as literally as far too many people do, but what church in schools has done in the past (before our time) and being in those youth/church/bible groups when i was younger is that they provide a better understanding of morality, social responsibility, and some general guidelines on how to be a half decent human being.

what schools/north america/usa need(s) is to do a better job of giving children/teenagers a better sense of social responsibility, morals, and to teach people the importance of being more responsible and better human beings for the sake of being good people.
 
Simple explanation: parents are failing at raising kids. Fucking lazy and want the gov't to do it for them.

I saw Die Hard when i was 5, snuck playing Doom behind my parents back, by their logic since ive been playing shooters since I was a kid, I should be blastin people on a daily basis.

But im not. I've never even struck a person and only dropkicked one years ago in self defense. thats bout it.

 
well your first statement is hilarious. the fact that you think murder is ONLY a christian moral is ridiculous.

and your second argument is backed up by verses using all old testament references. which was under a total different law, different setting, and different social system as a whole. event between the hebrews, jews, gentiles, pharisees, and sadducee's.

you can nit pick any verse in the bible and it will sound crazy and ludicrous. but until you read the whole thing, learn the context, the social standards of the day, and understand the differences between that in the old testament and the new testament, well than of course you will think it still supports all of that.
 
i think you have explained this quite well.

and you also understand more of the point and downfall of taking "religion" or "prayer" or what not out of schools than 98 percent of the people on this website.
 
and if you want to talk about the bible being true about certain things. heres a few.

its stated that christians will be persecuted. which happens on this site all the time, and is happening in this thread. the hatred, disdain, dislike, negative comments, etc etc... you're just proving the bible right..

2 Timothy 3:12 is one that always comes to mind "In fact,all those desiring to live with godly devotion in association with Christ Jesus will also be persecuted."

John 15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

Blessed are ye when they shall revile you, and persecute you, and speak all that is evil against you, untruly, for my sake: Be glad and rejoice, for your reward is very great in heaven. For so they persecuted the prophets that were before you.

Matthwe 5: 11-12

they will call evil good, and good evil.

isaiah 5:20 "Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.

take a look at the birth of Jesus and the prophecies from the old testament (that has transcripts scientifically proven to date back to BC dates.) that all came true with His birth.. theres over 30 or something..
 
of all people you single out me? most of my posts are relevant, even if they are occasionally inflammatory and i do try to keep dickishness to a minimum. you sound really fucking intolerant
 
haha i love how you guys just stop reading and stick a spicky rusty pole five feet farther up your rectums because you hear the word god. what this guy is saying is he is talking about the overall disdain of prayer not being allowed in public schools.
 
having a problem with what other people do is stupid. the only thing i wouldn't be comfortable with would be someone telling me to pray which is usually the vibe advocates for prayer in school give off. that or people being obnoxious and making sure you know they're religious. it's not like i run around going "HERE I AM NOT PRAYING"
 
he's saying he has a problem with prayer not being in school and implied that those who don't pray are in some way worse people. what i was trying to say was i don't have a problem with people praying, but when you start saying something's bad about people who don't is when there starts to be a disdain for those who are so adamant about praying in school. or am i totally off base
 
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