Why should the US support Israel?

eh theres so many sides to this issue its rediculous... basically we shouldnt. jewish people have a lot of power in the country yada yada... you seriously just opened up a huge can of worms tho haha. go do some research on the web
 
we shouldn't? why the fuck not? all of their neighbors want to fucking wipe them off the face of the earth. they represent the only sane country in the whole fucking middle east. they don't go around blowing themselves up. they don't go around saying things like "We will wipe Israell and America off the face of the earth" They are civil, they are democratic, they aren't stupid. that is one of just about 1000 reasons why we should support them.
 
Because Ahmedinijad is gonna "wipe them off the map" if we dont back Isreal... oh wait, Ahmdenijad is a puppet, Isreal's army far surpasses the strength of Iran's, and that quote was taken completley out of context. Good thing we still send Isreal billions of our tax dollars, and let them have a stranglehold on our politics. The money would be much better spent helping Palestinian's recover from the sanctions we've held against them since the election of Hamas, in my eyes. Ya, lets give the Palestinians democratic elections, and then punish them for electing an organization which defends Palestinans rights for their land back, and who build schools, churches, and hospitals across the West Bank and Gaza. American foreign policy is just brilliant, isnt it?
 
The quote from Ahmedinijad is reffering to his beleif Isreal should never have been created in the first place, and if you have any respect for the Palestinian people you have to see the validity to this point of view. He calls Isreal a "stinking corpse" which will destroy itself from within, he never once talks about a military strike on Isreal. He is playing defense, Bush puts Iran on the axis of evil, invades their neighbor, and builds military bases surrounding Iran. You have to understand Ahmedinijad's situation here. He is being backed into a corner by the U.S. and Isreal. Iran has to worry about being attacked, not Isreal. And thats all besides the fact that Ahmedinijad does not control the Iranian Guard, so he has no say in the matter. Not to mention Isreal's army alone could easily overwhelm Iran.

And on the subject of democracy, Palestine is also a democracy. Whom we sanction for electing a government who stands up for their rights.

There is no reason to back Isreal other than for political agenda. They are perfectly capable of handling themselves, and have, by far, the largest, well-funded army in the middle east.
 
Really? I mean I am conservative and all, but that is just rediculous and gives a lot of us bad names. Israel didn't have to be their either, there were a few more options in Africa, but they wanted to be there because of the significance to religion. The Palestinians did live there first though and they got fucked, hard. They got some land back in West Bank and the Gaza Strip but for the most part lost everything, and Jerusalem is a DMZ now too. They both attack eachother with out mercy though. And just because someone is Muslim does not mean they are a terrorist. Infact, the vast majority are quite peaceful, its the fundamentalist that are so violent, and other religions have violent fundamentalist as well, Timothy McVeigh ring a bell? There are two sides to this, its too bad so many only see one.
 
isreal is the most fucked up thing ever... i dont wanna have an endless political argument with one of you hardcore ns'ers, but seriously. The whole thing is a joke.. the jews were attacked/killed by the nazis, so after the war the UN "gave" them Isreal.. a place that had been occupied by palistinians at that point for thousands of years.. so the Jews go to Isreal.. OCCUPY and move all of the palistinians to the gaza strip and that other small hunk where they give them hardly any electricity, no economy, no food, nothing, and they "guard" the borders by killing palestinians who try to leave or go to isreal. not to mention they killed a famous british documentary filmer who was waving a white surrender flag and decked out in shiny gear that said TV. they shot him in the head. i am sorry but it is the most fucked up thing ever.
 
i read an editorial a while ago that was posing the question of do you think Israel will go to war with Iran on Nov 5th?

i dont think they would dare effect the outcome of our country's election by attacking them outright before the election.

food for thought.

to the matter brought up by the title of this thread and nothing else. i dont know, i dont have enough knowledge of the subject and unique difficulties Israel faces. i would also be willing to wager NO ONE on NS does.
 
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to counter Drew's picture. haha

again i have no sort vast knowledge on israel, so i am not going to get into anything.
 
No, that's the West Bank. I don't think anyone would care about a fence around the Golan Heights. And seeing as they don't stop Syrian tanks very well, it wouldn't do much anyway.
 
Well which exodus are we talking about? Abraham? Moses? Nehemiah? Ben-Gurion?

And yeah, obviously there weren't suicide bombers blowing themselves when there weren't Jewish school children to take with them. But is that a balanced response to their presence?
 
say your family was killed while having lunch at a cafe by a suicide bomber, wife children. id say there's pretty good chance id join the army.
 
Do you want me to explain it? ...cuz I don't really want to. I do think that the jewish people in Israel have been part of the problem, but it is not really all their fault.

no hate
 
"the modern political state of israel was created by the UN"......so which UN members voted for it and which against it?

i think israel is just another example of how ancient borders drawn by european conquerers without any regards to the local situation have led to fucked up situations around the globe.
 
The question isn't about if Israelis or Palestinians are right/wrong in their conflict.

The question is why are we supporting Israel? Why are we pouring $3 billion a year into this country just in aid, and much more considering economic giveaways and trade packages?
 
Actually if you do some research, it was the jews land given to them by God 4000 years ago. They settled there after Moses brought them out of slavery. They lived there before Islam was even a religion. Secondly I know that muslims are peaceful. In fact if you do a little research you will find that only .2% of the population is involved in terrorism and over 65% of muslims hate terrorism and think it gives Islam a bad name.

I see both sides to this... i'm not sure you know what you are talking about though.
 
An argument like that can go both ways, both sides are killing each other indiscrimenantly to age and gender, which is very sad and unfortunate.
 
the question isn't why it is SHOULD WE.. and in my opinion and hopefully in the opinions of anyone who can look at the facts of a situation and formulate their own opinions based on that alone we should not be supporting isreal.
 
No military strke on Israel? what does "wiping it off the face of the earth" mean? Iran only has to worry about being attacked because of their nuclear weapons program. Without Ineedadinnerjacket and their nuclear weapons Iran would be a regular old nonchalant country that we didn't need to have interest in.

Palestine is also a democracy? what is palestine? it's not a country anymore so i don't understand what you mean?
 
Yeah Israel has too many god damn Palestinians. So many that they had to kick my grandfather out of his house when the revolution happened. Israeli armed forces knocked on his door and little did they know they would be held up at gunpoint saying that they would be killed if they didn't leave within 15 minutes. They grabbed as much as they could and straight booked it.
Why can't there be peace out there? It's obvious that if Israel didn't completely fuck over everybody in Palestine over, Palestinians wouldn't be so militant. The Palestinian people really have NOTHING to live for at this point. They used to live in peace before the USA decided to take Israel's side. Now they are living in pure hell, where even if they do get fucked by Israeli "defense" force their hospitals don't even have enough supplies to help half the people coming in. It's fucked up out there. You can go on a nice vacation in Israel, but if you hit up Palestine you're in for one fucked up trip.
 
hahahah! first of all god isnt a remax agent that sold the origional jews that land. nobody has a god given right to land. the jews were just displaced afer world war 2 and were griping and griping about how they had been abused and enslaved for their entire existence. the allies wanted to back them up and so they gave them israel. (thats roughly how the story goes) the jews havent lived in that area for thousands of years. its not really their "homeland." id relate it to the english slowly pushing the native americans off their land. jewish people are not bad people, they just hold enough sway throughout the world to get support for israel
 
If you read that quote from Ahmedinijad in context and not in a soundbite, you would see he is reffering to the creation of the state of Isreal, and why it should never have existed in the first place. Again, this does not matter, because he is a puppet. He is a figure head for the government, which along with the military is led by the Supreme Leader, the grand Ayatolla. Their nuclear program is completely legitimate at this point and time. As far as the nuclear program goes, they are entitled tocreate nuclear power, in fact they were sold reactors from France under the watch of the U.S. And it is understandable that they want to pursue nuclear weapons, their "threats" toward Isreal are insincere and childish compared with U.S. threaths towards them. And i would take a look at their weapons program more closely, they are no where near the capabilities of creating a nuke. The bandwagon assumptions you and many others make are what led this country into Iraq- remember wmd's- i see history repeating itself here. And its interesting that you are so scared of Iran having the bomb when Pakistan, a much more unstable and extremist counrty already has one. As for Palestine, i.e. the west bank and gaza strip, it is a legitimate state. Bush is the first president to recognize this area as the state of Palestine since the creation of Isreal. Please do your research before you post again, you come off as very ignorant and uneducated on this topic.
 
I don't see palestine as a country. http://www.listofcountriesoftheworld.com/ And as for me sounding ingorant every piece of information you have given me is your own opinion. I have mine. You hear the media tel you that ahmadinejad did not mean to "wipe Israel off of the map" because they are trying to make the US feel safer. We all know what he wants to do, and you are stupid if you actually believe that he does not really hate america. He might say that he "loves all countries" but thats bullshit and i know that you know that.

an unbiosed, tell it like it is, station broadcasted the real truth~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hLDjGdJC0Q
 
haha... you don't have the time to correct me? why because you don't have any answers.

gg

have any of you ever been to the middle east? i've been to Israel, quite a few times. I've been to syria twice, I've been to Jordan once. I've been to Egypt once, I've driven through saudia Arabia for a couple of hours. Not all, but most of these people hate the Jews. Don't listen to the media.... they tell you what you want to hear.

BTW, the news you see and hear in the US is the exact opposite of what is currently going on there. I was in Israel/Jordan 2 months ago.

 
i personally think that the government (the government, not people) shouldn't give these large sums of money to organizations and countries, it just seems like a waste.

And (I hate to be the ass that does this) that is why I think it is lucrative to think that Obama wants to give like $50 billion a year to the UN. So... yea. $3 billion to israel is bad enough (but I like israel), but $50 billion to a pansy ass org. as the UN is stupid.
 
fact is both sides are doing shit they definately shouldn't, but the US should cut support to israel until they stop fucking around with settling the west bank.

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unfortunately the jews living in america would never vote for a president who opposes what israel is doing, and a presidential candidate would never risk pissing off the jewish community because of the risk of losing the election.

 
hahaha, sightseeing? actsually my dad works at Yale University and gets to go over to the middle east for medicine studies. He worked for the Whitesman institute. And although you try to sound like a badass online all that shit is STILL YOUR OPINION a pretty shitty one too.

"he was referring to the existence of Israel to begin with" So i'm guessing "wipe them off the face of the earth" has nothing to do with getting rid of them it's just a simple understanding right?. It can't be true since it was "taken out of context" haha i laugh at your ignorance.

Where is your proof that we block peace agreements? do you just make this shit up to sound big and bad? I honestly don't believe a single word that you have said to me.

you work in a library you must be intelligent right? well these opinions don't sound so intelligent to me.? You sound like you'de be a lot of fun at a funeral.

but now i don't feel like arguing with you anymore because as you said "i don't have the patience" and i know how you feel right now.

goodnight and good luck
 
exactly. if you want to support israel or starving people in various african countries, donate your own money, dont support our government giving our tax money away.

we have enough domestic issues at home to pour our money towards. (this is way more obvious this past month than it ever was before). i wish Citizens Against Government Waste (or another tax dollars watchdog group) would compile a list of all politicians who have voted to send our tax dollars abroad in the past 20 years.
 
I would say the bigger problem is having people like Arafat in charge. He was ABSOLUTELY FUCKING RETARDED to not take what Barak offered at Camp David in 2000. In Barak's words: "Israel was ready to reach agreement at a painful price but not at any price."

Palestinians suffer from the same plague as Africans: terrible, stupid, incompetent, greedy, corrupt leadership.
 
I'm not familiar with the events you're talking about. I'm sure the Palestinians would love to put Israel back within the 1947 borders almost as much as they'd love to push them into the sea - in '47, the Jewish portion of Palestine (I don't believe it was called Israel until May of '48, but I'm not sure) was virtually nothing. It was nothing short of miraculous that they survived the War of Independence given their geographic position at the time. These days, of course, the position of the PLO is that their goal is the liberation of the occupied territories...which is odd, considering the PLO was founded 5 years before those territories were occupied in the Six Day War.
 
It just occurred to me that maybe you're thinking of the end of the Six Day War. On the last day of the conflict - 10 June 1967 - the Soviets were desperately pushing for a cease-fire in the Security Council because things had gone so incredibly badly for their Arab allies and they were about to get much worse, particularly for the Syrians. The Israelis tried to stall the agreement at the UN because their forces were close to taking the Golan Heights, and they obviously didn't want the war to end with the Heights remaining in Syrian control. I'm not sure if the US helped them in the Security Council that day, but I imagine they probably did, especially given the help the Soviets were giving the other side.

Really, a lot of our support for Israel started with a Cold War rationale - I don't think we really had very close ties to them until the early '70s and especially after the Yom Kippur War. For example, we were very upset over their actions in the Suez Crisis in 1956. And I don't believe they had any significant military equipment from the US until they bought F-4s sometime between the 1967 and 1973 wars.
 
remember the flotilla incident?

http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/docs/15session/A.HRC.15.21_en.pdf

page 37, sec 170

The circumstances of the killing of at least six of the passengers were in a manner

consistent with an extra-legal, arbitrary and summary execution. Furkan Doğan(American) and İbrahim

Bilgen were shot at near range while the victims were lying injured on the top deck. Cevdet

Kiliçlar, Cengiz Akyüz, Cengiz Songür and Çetin Topçuoğlu were shot on the bridge deck

while not participating in activities that represented a threat to any Israeli soldier. In these

instances and possibly other killings on the Mavi Marmara, Israeli forces carried out extralegal,

arbitrary and summary executions prohibited by international human rights law,

specifically article 6 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.

 
once again proving that no one is safe if you are trying to fuck with israel. Even if you don't pose a direct threat to any of them physically, they will still respond as if you are.

i find it hard to feel pity on people who go and protest and fight against israel. They are a militaristic nation. They've behaved like this ever since they were first threatened so it should not come as a surprise any time they kill people who are against them in any way. It may not be right, but they do it nonetheless.

if you knew there was a guy who was going to stab you no matter what you did or said to him, would you still approach him? Israel is the same. unless you're giving them money or weapons, they do not care.
 
Honestly we shouldn't. They really have no right to be there in the first place.

We just took a religion, that's a severe opposition of the region, and just gave them a little country right in the fucking holy land. Then we complain that people are bombing them all the time trying to take back their land.

So what if in religion it's the holy land for both. It's fucked up to say, hey get out, we're putting the jews in your holy land.

I say we stop supporting them and what happens happens. We do way to much shit around the world. We should worry about our own problems instead of wasting all the money. Soon enough many currencies will be fucking bankrupt and well have to regroup from a shitty position.
 
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