Weed legal in Canada in less then 90 days?? maybe

This was an article in the Toronto Star,

thought i would share

Jennifer Yang

Staff Reporter

An Ontario Superior Court judge has ruled that the federal medical marijuana program is unconstitutional, giving the government three months to fix the problem before pot is effectively legalized.

In an April 11 ruling, Justice Donald Taliano found that doctors across the country have “massively boycotted” the medical marijuana program and largely refuse to sign off on forms giving sick people access to necessary medication.

As a result, legitimately sick people cannot access medical marijuana through appropriate means and must resort to illegal actions.

Doctors’ “overwhelming refusal to participate in the medicinal marijuana program completely undermines the effectiveness of the program,” the judge wrote in his ruling.

“The effect of this blind delegation is that seriously ill people who need marijuana to treat their symptoms are branded criminals simply because they are unable to overcome the barriers to legal access put in place by the legislative scheme.”

Taliano declared the program to be invalid, as well as the criminal laws prohibiting possession and production of cannabis. He suspended his ruling for three months, giving Ottawa until mid-July to fix the program or face the prospect of effectively legalizing possession and production of cannabis.

The judge’s decision comes in a criminal case involving Matthew Mernagh, 37, of St. Catharines who suffers from fibromyalgia, scoliosis, seizures and depression.

Marijuana is the most effective treatment of Mernagh’s pain. But despite years of effort, he has been unable to find a doctor to support his application for a medical marijuana licence.

Mernagh resorted to growing his own cannabis and was charged with producing the drug.

Taliano found doctors essentially act as gatekeepers to the medical marijuana program but lack the necessary knowledge to adequately give advice or recommend the drug. He also found that Health Canada has made “no real attempt to deal with this lack of knowledge.”

Taliano said the issue is Canada-wide.

Twenty-one patients from across the country testified in the case, saying they were rejected by doctors a total of 113 times.

One Alberta patient was refused by 26 doctors; another in Vancouver approached 37 physicians without finding a single one to sign off on the form.

Patients also face lengthy delays — as long as nine months — in having their medical marijuana applications processed by Health Canada.

“The body of evidence from Mr. Mernagh and the other patient witnesses is troubling,” Taliano wrote. “The evidence of the patient witnesses, which I accept, showed that patients have to go to extraordinary lengths to acquire the marijuana they need.”

Lawyer Alan Young, a longtime advocate of marijuana legalization, said the ruling is a step in the right direction.

“It’s significant because it’s a Superior Court ruling which has binding effect across the province,” Young said.

“By enacting a dysfunctional medical program the government now has to pay the high cost of losing the constitutional authority to criminalize marijuana.”

He said the real test, however, will be whether the judgment stands up in the Ontario Court of Appeal.

“If the government is not successful on appeal, they are going to be caught between a rock and a hard place because they don’t have an alternative program in mind,” he said. “They don’t have a plan B. They’re in trouble.”

The medical profession has been wary of the medical marijuana program since it came into effect in August 2001.

On May 7, 2001, the Canadian Medical Association wrote a letter to the federal health minister expressing concerns with recommending a drug that has had little scientific evidence to support its medicinal benefits.

“Physicians must not be expected to act as gatekeepers to this therapy, yet this is precisely the role Health Canada had thrust upon them,” the letter stated.

http://www.thestar.com/news/article/973886--pot-laws-ruled-unconstitutional?bn=1
 
It fucking should be legal. Hopefully it happens.

Is this for legit no bullshit legalization?

Any of these doctors should not be in the biz anymore, based on fucking ignorance. There's some bitch congresswoman or something in like conn or somewhere that said something like " I survived cancer without doing pot, so nobody else is allowed to smoke it and not feel like shit all the time during treatement"

I'd kick her in the snatch so hard
 
i mean the only hard part about weed being illegal is i guess obtaining it, but that's pretty easy anyway

i think if weed was legal i'd probably still smoke exactly the same way i do now
 
Exactly and it would be harder for under aged kids to acquire said weed, depending on your point of view that could be good or not so good.
 
thats what im sayin, everyone freaks out every time shit like this pops up all like "ZOMG weed might be leeaaagil"

i usually facepalm pretty hard, its not hard to be subtle about it when youre smoking/buying/selling it, thats why i said up there that its already legal if you're smart about it. like even if they did legalize it, i wouldnt go around blazing in front of everyones face and being like ooohhh fuck you guys i can smoke in front of you and you cant do shiiiit lololol ahaha fuckinlicoriceim12yearsold thats just stupid, i would still do everything the exact same way. ive been smoking quite a bit for about 3-4 years now and ive never been caught, never been in any altercation with the cops or anything, its all about using common sense kids
 
I think the only people who bitch about it are hormonal teens...

For the general populace its not really that big a deal either way, prices may go up if it's legalized but then think of how much money the government will rake in selling and regulating it...
 
But it's not legal. It's not that hard to not get caught but it's far from legal. If you still could potentially go to jail for something it's not legal.

I pretty much blazed where ever I please anyway. So I probably wouldn't do anything too much different. I would be more likely to puff a blunt walking down the road, not that I didn't do that but more likely and less caring.

I don't blaze anymore though
 
Prices wouldn't have to go up. They would make a shit ton of money at the current price. Only reason it's expensive is the fact that it's illegal. It doesn't cost that much to produce it.

it could be legalized and kept at current rates and they'd make a ton. But that will never happen in the us. Medical and dercim is the closest we'll get
 
It may or may not go up in price if it becomes legal. If the government legalizes pot, they essentially have two options. try and stop all the current grow ops and make it a controlled substance like tobacco and alcohol. This would raise the price of marijuana, same reason why tobacco prices go up all the time.

The other option would be to keep the current grow ops running and have people register what they grow and pay taxes based on the amount. This would keep prices fairly similar. Either way, the price won't go down...

Both options are almost completely impossible for the government to achieve, which is sad, and been an issue for me. I do want pot to become legal, but I understand that it won't actually solve any of the real problems, just create new, more complex ones. At this point, I think we need to decriminalize pot and work from there. I've never liked the idea of decriminalization, I think it sends a mixed message with a lot of gray area... but considering legalization won't work, and the prohibition isn't completely bogus, it's really the only viable option at this point.

 
This. Most people don't understand just how complex this could get, they only see one side of the story. Liek omgz weeeedz gona be legal now the po po cant fuck with ma shit etc etc etc.
 
It is legal to possess under an ounce in massachusetts. If you are caught with over that amount you go to jail for like 5 years and a fine of 15,000$.

But, if this passes, the United States population is going to drop by like 17 million...
 
I kind of think that this legislation is just for medical users and not the general public. So don't get your hopes up just yet.
 
"but I understand that it won't actually solve any of the real problems, just create new, more complex ones"

I think this statement is completely false. It may not be perfect. But it will far far far far more beneficial than keeping it illegal.

"At this point, I think we need to decriminalize pot and work from there"

I hate the idea. I think medical and decriminalization will be as far as it ever gets. they'll say oh well it's already no big deal why legalize it. It will get stuck at that point. I do agree with you on the mixed message and gray area. They'll basically be saying something is harmless enough that we've lowered the penalty, and we know you're going to break the law, but we're going to let you break the law more easily by lowering the penalty but keeping it illegal. I think it makes our judicial system look like a joke.

" but considering legalization won't work"

Sorry but this is wrong. What makes you believe that complete legalization will never work? Complete legalization will never happen in the us, or at the very least is very very unlikely, but that is not because it won't work. Legalization would give them a vastly easier job of controlling it, the ability to make ridiculous amounts of money through taxing, make it more easily available medically instead of pharmy drugs, would be a ridiculously useful cash crop again, keep non violent people out of jail, save us billions we spend on the drug war.

As far as some of the pros to legalization I listed, they are also the reason why it is very unlikely it will ever be legal. Marijuana wasn't made illegal because of the hazards associated with it, it was made illegal because of the good. Look at the problems with fuel these days? Does it surprise you that the government hasn't moved towards any real alternatives? It shouldn't. Look at all the people getting prescribed 300 different pills, look at all the adds on tv for them. Does it surprise you that doctors are recommending all those pharmy drugs instead of pushing to legalize marijuana? (Not saying that all pharmy drugs are useless or can be replaced with weed, but just look at the side effects. Marijuana can do the job sometimes even better than many pills out there with little to no adverse side effects)

The reason marijuana was made illegal is completely bogus. Thanks to racist fucks like william randolf hearst and other asshats with profits to worry about, a nearly harmless drug was attacked and made illegal.

I actually visited hearst castle out in cali a few years ago. Fucker had his money in the timber industry and he hated mexicans, used that to launch his fucking campaign and help douche bags like anslinger.

I really don't see marijuana in the us being legal anytime soon, and it wouldn't really surprise me if it never happens. I mean it's possible that at some point people could wake up and there could be some type of reform of or government. We need a serious overhaul soon. The problem is we're actually regressing in many ways, and the people are damn near powerless at this point in addition to being completely ignorant.

"prohibition isn't completely bogus" I hope that was a typo and meant to say prohibition IS completely bogus

Huge rant is huge. And I didn't even go into different angles of it. Might be a bit jumbled because i tried to hit a few spots without going into any of them but whatever.

There is no GOOD reason for marijuana to be illegal.
 
Ok, well first off - the "isn't" was a typo... sorry about the confusion. we are very much on the same page. My only thing is with the controlling of pot. The underground pot industry (especially here in BC) has gotten very VERY good at what they do. They are the #1 industry in this province, and the only sustainable one at that. The industry makes lots of money, and it's essentially 100% illegal. With that in mind, how on earth would it be easier for the government to control pot if it's legal. The gun registration in Canada has wasted how much money on pretty much the same thing.

The industry is already operating illegally, why would they bow down to the government if the law changed? In order for the government to make the law worthwhile (for them at least) they would need to spend even more money and man hours to try and stop the illegal grow shows, because as long as they are running at the volume they are now, the government simply can't compete.
 
It won't be legal anytime soon, and it won't effect me either way. It's really not that hard to stay away from the cops. Actually, getting caught by the cops smoking weed is probobly one of the hardest things to do unless you're a fucking retard about it.
 
don't be a fucking snob

Honestly, I stopped caring about whether weed was legal, and I've had my share of trouble with the law. Shit's not that big of a deal, life goes on. Just don't be stupid about it and you won't end up in prison. The real issue is more for the distributors and growers, most people who smoke won't get caught.
 
Legalized or not it won't make any difference. Let's face it smoking weed is now a less serious offense than not wearing your seatbelt. If a 5-0 catches you not wearing your seatbelt, you're getting a ticket for sure. If he catches you with weed, he'll probably ask you to toss is away, maybe confiscate what you got on you and MAYBE give you a ticket.

I'd say thing are pretty chill these days.
 
Hypothetically speaking, if I were a grower, I wouldn't want it legalized at all. Hypothetically speaking I could be making loads of cash tax and pretty much work free. Hypothetically of course ;)
 
I think everyone here should go get educated on the differences be "legalized" and "decriminalized".

all that needs to be said
 
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