War in the National Anthem

George Washington signs a treaty stating explicitly that America was not founded on Christian values and you continue to argue that it was?

These "values" you are mentioning aren't exclusive to Christianity. Christian values would be shit Jesus is into... helping your neighbor, charity, giving to/helping the poor etc.
 
buddy, the entire country at the start was christians, it doesn't matter what a piece of paper says when the entire country follows one type of religion its founded on those beliefs.
 
Conflicts are part of life. War is a conflict. There is no way ever that war will not exist. The national anthem is about how we gained our freedom and independence, its not saying go out and start a war. We are supposed to defend our freedom as americans.
 
Except most of the founding fathers completely dispel any notion that the country should be founded on those beliefs, whatever those may be...
 
To the people who say it does not glorify war: Yes, it most certainly does. Look at the lyrics.

To those who are making the war=peace argument: Violence compounds violence. war has never been a way to achieve peace and it never will.

To Lax_Bro: Get you're white privileged, bigoted, ignorant ass out of NS's threads.

To those talking about "god" in the pledge and such. It's completely wrong to impose that there even is (or isn't) a god on anyone. They should be able to live in a nation whos government/anthems and such are completely divided from religion. What about the athiests?
 
Just thought I would weigh in, as much as most people may not like the national anthem, its probably here to stay, so deal with it.

Also: the lyrics may glorify war, but i feel like it is not to glorify war itself, but to show respect to those who fought and died for our freedom, and changing the anthem because you dont like war is like people saying the holocaust didnt happen, you cant just ignore how our country was founded just because you dont like it.

Finally: I am christian, and I dont believe that under god and in god we trust should be in our pledge and on our currency, but it would be impossible to change at this point, barring a total removal of christianity in our country. Imagine what the response would be from the christian community if this happened.
 
That's the problem. We're a nation that's afraid of change. Fuck the religious nuts and simply do what is fair for once? I don't trust in god, so why should my money say so? And "changing the anthem because you dont like war is like people saying the holocaust didnt happen" how are they in any way similar? I'm not saying it never happened, I'm saying we shouldn't make war seem great, no matter what its outcomes may be.
 
well i guess thats where our opinions differ. war was needed to gain freedom, so we should be glad that the war was fought and won. just being proud of our freedom without acknowledging that war is the only reason we have it and were able to keep it is just naive.

there are people in this world who would, if they had the power, try to take us down. there have been since we became a country. our military and our ability to kick ass in WAR, is the only reason we have not been attacked, effectively at least. but we most definitely are at risk.

and like i said before we are at just as much risk of loosing our freedom to the government and our leaders. unfortunately we are letting that happen..

when war is the reason for your freedom, i see no problem with glorifying it.
 
i agree, but we've always been free since the founding fathers. we've been in a shit load of wars that have had nothing to do with us being free but we somehow justify it with false claims. we've never had a foreign bullet hit the continiental US and our reasons for war are either: destroying socialism, oil, and/or al qeida. but we use shit loads of resources and money for war and nulear bombs that we will never need. hey but at least the huge corporations that supply the troops with all their necessities are making bank and we're going further in debt. and lets stay in iraq a little longer so we can lower the wrold population so maybe there will still be natural resources for me and my fellow americans when we hit 70 or 80 years old. maybe im an uneducated one-sided dumbass too, i dont know everything...
 
its all about priorities and what the gov't wants to spend the bulk of our money on. imo, we dont need all these weapons, its a waste of money and not a priority. lets turn the question around and ask how do you know we need all these weapons? we've never been attacked and these weapons wont stop a plane from running into a building so why should we spend so much on that. if we were to get nuclear attacked do u seriously think that we should retalliate with more nulear weapons? if the japanese would have retalliated then Japan and america would have so many radioactive problems no one would be living in these areas. maybe war isnt the solution to all problems, it just creates more. u think iraq is going to be better off after we move out (if we ever do...) and leave all their towns to shit? its not like we or iraq have the money or economy to restore all the buildings that we've blown up? imo, maybe we instead use the money to fix areas in our own country that have been destroyed due to hurricanes, floods, and heat waves that dry up farm lands and recreation areas...
 
We spend more than all other countries combined. It is so much more than we could ever need. Making gigantic cuts in defense wont leave us vulnerable at all.
 
We never should have been in Iraq or Afghanistan to begin with. It was shitty then and it's shitty now. Plus, why the hell are we spending money on building highways and buildings over in Afghanistan when we are running a huge deficit here on our own soil? We could put that money towards fixing the grid or improving bridges and highways. Drives me nuts.
 
Ever think we have never been attacked because we can bring down the hand of God on any person who even thinks about shooting something at us? You think most of the money is spent on stockpiling nuclear weapons and a bunch of useless R&D don't you?

 
ok cool story. have any other countries, besides countries in africa and the middle east been attacked recently... NO. do all these other countries that havent been attacked have the ability to "bring down the hand of God"...NO. so is there any correlation between what u just said...NO.

Here: cost of war per month: if this is what prosecuting a war means...idk

The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO) has estimated the cost of "prosecuting" a war against Iraq at up to $9 billion per month, on top of an initial outlay of up to $13 billion for the deployment of troops to the Persian Gulf region.

^$22billion x 12 months= over $260bill/yr

cost of nuclear weapons that we havent used in my lifetime:

(May 28,2010) The administration on Thursday released a one-page unclassified summary of the classified report sent to lawmakers. That summary shows that spending on modernization of the nuclear weapons complex over the decade will reach $80 billion, growing from $6.4 billion this year to $7 billion in coming years and eventually topping $8 billion beginning in 2016. The growing costs reflect not just construction of facilities but also the refurbishment and possible replacement of some warheads in the next decade, all without the need for testing, according to the summary.

An additional $100 billion is to be spent on strategic nuclear delivery systems such as bombers and land- and submarine-based intercontinental ballistic missiles. Research is underway on a new strategic bomber and a new class of strategic submarines

^$7bill+$100bill

=about $380 bill /yr on just war and nuclear weapon costs. i'd say this war thing is pretty expensive. but i guess it pays off since bin laden is now dead since he was the one who started 9/11 not the bush admin LOL
 
personally, i believe 9/11 was set up by the bush admin. its just another conspiracy, not telling u to believe it or anything, but if u watch (i think its called) Zero: a 9/11investigation, it gives some pretty good evidence of the set up, ultimately it was a plan to make al qeada look like terrorists so that we could have an excuse to go to iraq, where we claimed we were going to war for terrorism and weapons of mass destruction, which have yet to be found. but really we are over there for oil, pretty obvious IMO.
 
Move away from war when no one else is when we are one of the, if not the most, powerful countries in the world. Yes, I'm implying that the US is a target.
 
show me evidence of a plane going into the pentagon then we can talk. im in college but my high school had so many cameras i guarentee if a plane hit my high school there would be video evidence, u seen any for the pentagon? u see how big the hole in the pentagon was? not big enough to claim a boeing jet went thru....just saying. u cant believe everything u hear on tv
 
Have read and have replied. I am for the cutting of the defense budget, it's ridiculous. We should not be in the Middle East, but to say that our country should totally move away from war is absurd. We should be prepared in the case of an attack. What I'm saying is that we should not be starting wars (Iraq & Afghanistan), but rather we should be able to win them in the case of an attack.
 
first of all, i don't believe everything i hear on tv. secondly, my friend's aunt was working in the pentagon when the plane hit and she told him everything and then he told me. how's that for evidence? thirdly, don't believe everything you hear from some shitty fucking conspiracy movie asshole.
 
oh I agree with that to an extent, but we shouldn't be glorifying it. if we absolutely need to go to war to defend our lives, then it's neccessary, but i can't find any other logical reason.
 
I don't know why you're so upset about the National Anthem when we are airing commercials like this:

I have still NEVER thought of this as glorifying war:

 
Yeah, the Army/Navy/Marines/Air Force commercials all glorify war far more than the national anthem. I guess we found one thing to agree on: I dislike country music, too.
 
That commercial u posted said nothing to glorify war. It spoke of duty, honor, and self sacrifice. Three things youll never have.
 
see here's your problem Lax_Bro40, if i may call you that. your way of thought is what us sophisticated folk of NS and the world alike call, to put it bluntly, "idiotic." you think that the conservative way is the only way; the right way. your closed mind will not allow you to be an individual of society who is open to others' opinions and beliefs. you believe that the only way to sacrifice is to join the military and "kill some terrorists," i have spent many a fortnight alone in the woods of antarctica thinking about the how i can help my country, and even help the other countries of this great planet earth. and i have come to the conclusion that no matter how hard i try, i can't, and neither can you. you are welcome to enlist and complete your service, i'm not stopping you. but you are not going to make a difference. my hypothesis on the situation is that you want to join the service because it will make you the strong honorable soldier that you want to be. but what is that ultimately going to do for the world? nothing. what is that going to do for yourself? feed your ego. and the last thing we need on this beautiful site we call Newschoolers is to have the infamous, "pound chicks and beers," Lax_Bro40 carry a bigger ego than he can handle. i rest my case judge, the witness may leave the stand.
 
You're right. Military propaganda would definitely not try to glorify war to encourage people to join. By making it seem like you will have a sense of pride and be part of an elite force is essentially glorifying what the Marines will actually be like. I also was very interested in doing an Air Force ROTC program for awhile. That being said, I still commend every serviceman for their dedication to protect our country and risk it on the front lines.
 
i have also gone over this before, 96% of my posts, should be taken very lightly. But i have my reasons for joining, none of which you listed.
 
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