Vote for Barack=Vote Against the Constitution

ThaLorax

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Let me start off by saying I dislike McCain even more than Obama. I'm just posting this video to show that Obama is not the perfect, object of saviour for the country that everyone is putting him out to be. Change! Yes, he will bring change. Just remember, not all change is good.

Obama's 10 point plan to get virtually eliminate the 2nd Amendment:

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Wake up people. You have been led to believe that you only have two options here. This is not true. Our system was built to have more than two. Having a bipartisan system is the main reason that the Electoral System is so worthless nowadays.
 
I don't agree with you often, but it is DEFINITELY time for a new party to make an appearance. At least then we could choose between the lesser of three evils.

 
haha, i like that. the lesser of THREE evils. Props on putting aside our differences btw. Everyone deserves to have an opinion, yours is just usually wrong ;)
 
i couldnt even watch the video due to the simple fact that it was a chick talking.... that alone made it lose ALL credibility whatsoever... lol
 
here's what makes this lose all credibility. its fake. not true. as in completely false.

ARE YOU SO FUCKING STUPID YOU WOULD BELIEVE THAT A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE WOULD ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT ANY OF THIS SHIT?

sorry to use such harsh language, but GROW A FUCKING BRAIN.
 
and outlining any plan like that would be political suicide. if you can't see that at first glance that its NRA propaganda, then you're a dumbass. 30 seconds of google searching and I found out how this got started and how its bullshit.

I've tried for a while to be nicer about this kind of shit, but this is just so stupid I am shocked.
 
you wake up u stupid fuck, all presidents have good changes to them but also have bad changes, there will never be a perfect president who does everything right, this is fucking america!!!!!!!!!!! grow up and relize that any president is just a puppet and a powerful figgure to our country
 
I think the 2nd should be abolished just because the simple fact that it says that you have the right to bear arms WITH A MILITIA not just for the fuck of it. Don't get me wrong, I think it's fun to tote your 9 too, I just think it's unconstitutional to have guns legal because it says that you can bear arms with your militia.
 
haha i try not to get too involved in politcs. maybe once i can actually vote ill give a shit
 
I think the second amendment is really gay. It can be interpreted in so many different ways. one person saying that Barack Obama is going to dismantle the constitution because he goes against their interpretation of the second amendment is kind of being arrogant and forcing your beliefs on other people.

the constitution is like the bible. people can read it so that they see what they want to see.

I personally think that just because Obama is "against" gun control doesn't mean that he is going to raid everyone's house and steal their liscenced hand gun.

After the Supreme court overturned the ban on handguns, Obama was quoted saying "Today's decision reinforces that if we act responsibly, we can both protect the constitutional right to bear arms and keep our communities and our children safe."

I personally am all for owning/carrying weapons. If the police can do it than we should be able to as well.

so there.
 
You can listen to an NRA leaflet with no sources whatsoever, or you can actually ASK THE GUY.

Q&A on guns with Barack:

Q: Is the D.C. law prohibiting ownership of handguns consistent with an individual's right to bear arms?A:

As a general principle, I believe that the Constitution confers an

individual right to bear arms. But just because you have an individual

right

does not mean that the state or local government can't constrain the

exercise of that right, in the same way that we have a right to private

property but local governments can establish zoning ordinances that

determine how you can use it.


Q: But do you still favor the registration & licensing of guns?

A:

I think we can provide common-sense approaches to the issue of illegal

guns that are ending up on the streets. We can make sure that criminals

don't have guns in their hands.

We can make certain that those who are mentally deranged are not

getting a hold of handguns. We can trace guns that have been used in

crimes to unscrupulous gun dealers that may be selling to straw

purchasers and dumping them on the streets.



Q: You said recently, "I have no intention of taking away folks' guns."

But you support the D.C. handgun ban, and you've said that it's

constitutional. How do you reconcile those two positions?A:

Because I think we have two conflicting traditions

in this country. I think it's important for us to recognize that we've

got a tradition of handgun ownership and gun ownership generally. And a

lot of law-abiding citizens use it for hunting, for sportsmanship, and

for protecting their families.

We also have a violence on the streets that is the result of illegal

handgun usage. And so I think there is nothing wrong with a community

saying we are going to take those illegal handguns off the streets.

And cracking down on the various loopholes that exist in terms of

background checks for children, the mentally ill. We can have

reasonable, thoughtful gun control measure that I think respect the

Second Amendment and people's traditions.



Q: When you were in the state senate, you talked about licensing and registering gun owners. Would you do that as president?

A:

I don't think that we can get that done. But what we can do is to

provide just some common-sense enforcement. The efforts

by law enforcement to obtain the information required to trace back

guns that have been used in crimes to unscrupulous gun dealers. As

president, I intend to make it happen. We essentially have two

realities, when it comes to guns, in this country.

You've got the tradition of lawful gun ownership. It is very important

for many Americans to be able to hunt, fish, take their kids out, teach

them how to shoot. Then you've got the reality of 34 Chicago public

school students who get shot down on the

streets of Chicago. We can reconcile those two realities by making sure

the Second Amendment is respected and that people are able to lawfully

own guns, but that we also start cracking down on the kinds of abuses

of firearms that we see on the streets.



 
this thread is kinda dumb because the constitution can change remember prohibition that was in the constitution. better thread more attention grabbing would be bill of rights not constitution.

just sayin'
 
that was fucking retarded. You dont own any guns do you?

Typical liberal thinking there is never any need for citizen action because the government takes care of it all, and wont ever turn corrupt....

 
youtube is breeding more idiots everyday. yay leaflets! lets listen to those! btw she said that he's going to expand the semi-auto gun ban to MILLIONS more guns... uhhh... just how many different kinds of semi-auto guns out there? he could just aim to do one model and bam there goes millions of guns. NRA, like every other organization out there, can really be full of shit.
 
I've said it before, I'll say it again....

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Seriously though, I think I'm just gonna throw my vote away this election by writing in something ridiculous. I really think McCain and Obama are equally bad in different ways, so I'd rather contribute to breaking the Republican party in hopes of something new and better than perpetuating a cycle of choosing between two parties which fail equally in representing me.
 
yeah... ummm....... the course the country is taking, doesnt really fall into the category of "nothing".....

sorry, but political discussion is a good thing, when kept respectful....
 
game, set, THREAD!

this thread is about to take a turn for the worse;)

the man brings a good point, but if the US wasnt soo "pussy whipped" we could crush those bastards into the ground..... :)
 
except the people using those things have been trained how to use them. If a tank rolled through my town today, there is no way that the entirety of my town could take it out.

Luckily for me I've read "Steal this book"
 
sounds like somebody's getting worked up over nothing... just let it be man, some people enjoy getting worked up over stuff they feel passionately about, some people just like to call other people the most clever profanities they can think of without any fear of getting their ass kicked, some people want to educate, some want to be educated, its not that big of a deal.
 
But we can die trying. I personally am in love with the 2nd amendment because it makes me feel safe against rapists, but honestly we would be shot on the spot. I see something like Shooter goin' down.
 
True enough, but still...when you're fighting an insurgency and unwilling to resort to total war, rifles and handguns make all the difference - more so even than fighter jets and artillery. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we should issue Berettas to first graders and (hopefully my conservative friends won't stone me for this) I agree that there are more important Constitutional rights than the second. But I think the principle behind it is still valid, even if in a much different way.

And your platform is captivating...I'll have to give it some thought.
 
THIS IS A SIGN OF THE APOCALYPSE!

I AGREE 100% WITH DREW!!!!!

CALL CNN, PMSMSNBC (HEHE) O, DONT FORGET ABOUT THE GRAND DADDIE OF THEM ALL, FOX NEWS... THEY MUST ALL HEAR THE GOOD NEWS!
 
I'm a great shot, Drew. I have the best coach. Don't doubt me. Just me having a gun makes me one more step ahead of the game - just in case. BTW you're not a chick, Drew. You have no idea, so just shut your trap. You can't win this one.
 
hey me too!

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cept she's not a political kind of girl so she's trying to get away from this thread.
 
the way I see it, someone should be able to carry a maximum of a .22 calibur pistol with them if they're walking around on the street.

anything bigger than that needs to stay in your house.

And for the people worried about getting raped or assaulted:

why not carry mace?
 
A 22? HAHAHAHAHAHA!

I shoot to kill, not to wound. That sounded really evil, but it's true. People who are trying to attack innocent people don't deserve oxygen.

I have mace, but you see mace has an expiration date.
 
I'm sorry if I come of as an asshole because I respect you,

but do you really think that you could kill someone and not think about it for the rest of your life?

the solution to violent crime isn't murder.

so yes, .22 caliber pistol
 
I think the best defense against that kind of thing is to pick up some Chuck Norris skills...seriously, martial arts are a much better weapon in that situation than a gun. Mace isn't a bad idea either.

I think guns are primarily useful as defensive weapons within your home (and then only with thorough training) and for the extremely rare random shooting in a public place.
 
this is what I always try to say. shooting a handgun is tough. unless you have cold blood then the adrenaline is gonna fuck with you.

and your other point. stay out of dangerous situations. I've been jumped twice and I walked right into those situations. once down a dark alley, the other time by hitchhiking. both times I escaped unscathed and they didn't even take anything, which was fortunate. I learned that you really need to use your head and don't put yourself in a position where that stuff is likely.

I agree the second amendment is outdated but I'd rather have a gat then nothing if I had to do some fighting. but like you said you can make some fucking nasty weapons at home, including guns if so inclined.

anyways, we all know the reason to have a gun. if I didn't have one, the king of england could just walk into my house and start pushing me around.
 
You want to find out, Drew? Walk a hundred feet in front of me...we'll see who's doubting who.

And exactly. Drew, you have no fucking idea. No offense, but you don't. Guys will never understand.

Cops? Should I wait for the cops? I have mace. I cling to my guns, Drew. You should know that already. You obviously haven't seen me walk through a parking garage. It's intense. I may be blonde, but I am not oblivious. Why am I telling you my tactics? This conversation is officially over.
 
If you want some type of non-lethal weapon, use a taser or mace or martial arts. You don't aim ANY type of gun at someone without the intent to kill them. Seriously, if someone is attacking you and you hit them with a .22, they're gonna get pissed off and you're only gonna make things worse. You might as well as just call them mean names.
 
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