Vote for Barack=Vote Against the Constitution

lol girls just don't have the killer instinct. no offense, fighting is man's work. seriously.
 
HAHA! I fooled ya'll. And scared you.

I just feel safer with my gun. It's a personal choice. You shouldn't care. I don't want my gun rights taken away from me. There is only like two people on this whole site that actually know me. You all don't know me. Don't judge me because I cling to my guns. I'm not going to shoot you. I'm just trying to protect myself, my family and my friends. I'll take my chances with my gun. Honestly, you all don't care whether I live or die. You don't, so don't say you do. Just let me have my gun, and I will fight my own battles. I'll take my chances. Sucks I can't take it to CO with me.

 
I'm not saying you should go all vigilante and hunt down the shooter, but once in a while, I think a good person proficient with a gun can prevent some loss of life. A year or two ago there was a shooting at a mall here in Salt Lake (a nice, upsale mall in a good neighborhood) where the shooter was killed by an off-duty cop who was carrying. These scenarios are obviously few and far between though, so I don't know...I'm torn on this issue. I think in general, people defending themselves with a handgun causes more problems than it prevents. But I still agree with the principle that people should be free to own and carry firearms within some reasonable legal framework.

Like I said before though, I think for most self-defense scenarios - especially the type Aspen is talking about - knowing a few good hand-to-hand combat techniques is safer and more practical.

 
Fair enough, but the guy wasn't in uniform so as far as any bystander or any uniformed law enforcement personnel were concerned, he was an average guy with a gun. Obviously, he was better trained than the average guy, but I think any reasonable person agrees that you shouldn't be carrying if you're not well-trained.
 
So you think everyone is a terrible shot? Like a woman driver or something? Should I go into the armed forces just to show you that I can handle a gun properly? I don't get you, Drew. You think that everyone with a gun is a bad person? I'm going to take my chances to protect my family. I would die for my family. I will kill anyone who tries to hurt them - you can do that with a 38.

You stick to your muscles and your mace. I am going to keep my gun. Just accept it. I'm not crazy. I'm a very cool, calm, collected person. If you don't feel safe around me then don't hang out with me or something. I don't care. You won't hurt my feelings.

So just end this stupid conversation. Here's my gun - there's your mace.
 
I do support the 2nd amendment because i do hunt, and lets face it, shooting is fun. But I'm not very keen on concealed weapons at all. They are just more trouble than they are worth. If you want self defense, learn martial arts or carry a knife with you, and know how to use it.

That said, there should be another amendment made specifically regarding concealed weapons, instead of just banning all firearms. People get the two mixed up more often than not.
 
I don't think that's at all what he thinks. He's just saying that carrying a handgun for self defense causes more problems than it solves...actually, I think those were his exact words.

Don't take it personally.

 
Guns are a personal preference. No one is making you or me carry a gun. It's my preference to carry my revolver. It's a preference that Drew carries is mace. It's ok. I'm not going to push my views onto him. He just needs to come to terms that I prefer my gun to mace. Maybe he wants to hang out with me or something, but doesn't want me shooting him. Who knows.
 
I would generally agree with this, I think.

So what are your thoughts on OPEN carry? I kind of like the nostalgic, sepia-toned, Old West-y feel it gives haha
 
That is not in the second amendment. It is a very common interpretation of it, and probably an accurate one, but it is still open to any interpretation. The supreme court proved that not that long ago, ruling one of those gun bans in violation of the 2nd.

You see we may know the context, but that isn't part of the constitution. The courts can make rulings based on the constitution and its amendments. The militia stuff is not written down, therefore they can't claim that, its not really something that you can take in account imo.

And I as a hunter agree, we should abolish the second. We should make a new one that reads "The right of the people to hunt and blast the shit out of intruders with excessively large, automatic weapons shall not be infringed upon." It is my opinion, and its only an opinion, that gun bans are bullshit. They show me that a politician can't get to the root of the problem, so they attack the only thing they can get at. Sure in one area poverty may be the problem, but if they can't go after that they blame guns because a lot of people hate them already, and they are more accessible. Take whatever is easy, not what will solve the problem, and that attitude is one of the problems with politics in this country. They can take my guns, but they'll have to take my bullets first.

 
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haha

onto round two.... what should happen to the people who shoot armed robbers, potential rapists... ect...

PS drew, did you see the twinkies go Eddie back?

 
Amendment 2 - Right to Bear Arms. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
 
My last commanding officer - who was pretty fond of shooting and taught us a lot about it - once said something like, "If some guy came into my house with a gun and wanted to take my TV, I'd tell him, 'Fine, I'll help you carry it out.'" The point being that few things are worth killing over - to defend yourself or especially your family, sure, to defend your flatscreen, hell no - and that you need to think those things through thoroughly before you decide to keep a loaded gun in your house for protection. I tend to agree.

That also goes to show that not all military personnel are heartless killing machines.

 
If guns were illegal or restrained(more than already), than you'd see the same uprising thats happened in the drug world. You'd see even more people in jails due to the restrictions on distributing of fire arms and lets face the fact that thugs wouldn't care if it were illegal or legal. So overall placing restrictions on people owning and carrying firearms would just create more problems.

McCain FTW
 
I'm not really concerned with thugs having guns. like you said, theyll have them anyways. career criminals make up a very small portion of the world.

its the nutjobs with guns that scare me.

and the difference between drugs and guns is that I would be really sad if drugs disappeared off the face of the earth. if guns disappeared, I'd be happy.
 
Hey Scooter,

If the US government has soooooo many high tech weapons (which i agree they do) then why are a bunch of guys in the desert with 20 year old AK-47s giving us a run for our money? ahhhhh thats because no matter how many multi-million dollar machines you have, they cant pick off people in urban warfare.

What makes you think that we have the "old shotgun or rifle"? You dont think i have a VERY simmilar handgun that police are issued? Do you think thugs are the only ones who buy illegal automatic weapons? I think you would be very suprised my friends how many good ole montana boys have big, big guns. i dont think that changes much across the country. Do you think that just cause some bozo inner city kid is in the army for a couple years he automatically a killing machine? How about 20 years of hunting and sport shooting, and just being in the outdoors in all types of situations....

You underestimate the people. i stand by that.
 
well that's cause everyone has different opinions on what a perfect president would be.

There will never be a perfect president, it's impossible, democracy is severely flawed
 
Wow, honestly that was just idiodic and irrelevant to the post you replied to. Maybe he wasn't talking about "citizen action" meaning fighting the government with military force?!?!?!?!? Are you serious?!? Where did you pull that out from?
 
move to fucking england you pussy. "ohh I'm careful at night" I'm too afraid of guns so no one should have them except the government. I hope you get shot in the face.
 
now i could go into response on those points.... but based on the fact that this is a youtube video filmed by some random god-knows-who chick, based on NRA literature, credibility is needless to say questionable.

ill leave it at, less guns here can really only be a good thing.
 
well all this 2nd amendment mit b completly shit but barak hussian obama is a fag and shits creepy haha VVVV

and this is just gay hahaha VVVVV

 


FACT:    Barack Obama voted against the confirmation of 2 of the 5 Justices that affirmed an individual right to keep and bear arms.

FACT:    Barack Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry.1

FACT:    Barack Obama wants to re-impose the failed and discreditedClinton Gun Ban.15

FACT:    Barack Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunitioncommonly used for hunting and sport shooting.3

FACT:    Barack Obama has endorsed a 500% increase in the federal excise tax on firearms and ammunition.9

FACT:    Barack Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership.2

FACT:    Barack Obama supports local gun bans in Chicago, Washington, D.C., and other cities.4

FACT:    Barack Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people

who use firearms in self-defense.5

FACT:    Barack Obama supports gun owner licensing and gun registration.6

FACT:    Barack Obama refused to sign a friend-of-the-court Brief in support of individual Second Amendment rights in the Heller case.

FACT:    Barack Obama opposes Right to Carry laws.7

FACT:    Barack Obama was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce Foundation, the leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and “research.”8

FACT:    Barack Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in America.9

FACT:    Barack Obama voted not to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them.10

FACT:    Barack Obama voted against a measure to lower the Firearms Owners Identification card ageminimum from 21 to 18, a measure designed to assist young people in the military.11

FACT:    Barack Obama favors a ban on standard capacity magazines.12

FACT:    Barack Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping.13

FACT:    Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods.2

FACT:    Barack Obama supports repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits information on gun traces collected by the BATFE from being used in reckless lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers.14

FACT:    Barack Obama supports one-gun-a-month handgun purchase restrictions.16

FACT:    Barack Obama supports a ban on inexpensive handguns.9

FACT:    Barack Obama supports a ban on the resale of police issued firearms, even if the money is going to police departments for replacement equipment.9

FACT:    Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of 21.9

1. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 219, July 29, 2005. (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00219)

2. Independent Voters of Illinois/Independent Precinct Organization general candidate questionnaire, Sept. 9, 1996. The responses on this survey were described in “Obama had greater role on liberal survey,” Politico, March 31, 2008. (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9269.html)

3. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 217, Kennedy amendment July 29, 2005. (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00217)

4. David Wright, Ursula Fahy and Sunlen Miller, "Obama: `Common Sense Regulation` On Gun Owners` Rights," ABC News` "Political Radar" Blog,http://blogs.abcnews.com, 2/15/08. (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/02/obama-common-se.html)

5. Illinois Senate, March 25, 2004 SB 2165, vote 20.

6. In the Illinois Senate, Obama sponsored SB-1136, which would have amended Illinois licensing laws by increasing the requirements for the Illinois Firearm Owners Identification card. When asked about registration during the Nevada Democratic debate on January 17, 2008, Obama did not oppose it, but simply stated, “I don’t think that we can get that done.” (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/15/us/politics/15demdebate-transcript.html?pagewanted=all)

7. “Candidates` gun control positions may figure in Pa. vote,” Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Wednesday, April 2, 2008, and "Keyes, Obama Are Far Apart On Guns," Chicago Tribune, 9/15/04. (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/s_560181.html)

8. 1998 Joyce Foundation Annual Report, p. 7.

9. “Obama and Gun Control,” The Volokh Conspiracy, taken from the Chicago Defender, Dec. 13, 1999. (http://www.volokh.com/posts/1203389334.shtml)

10. Illinois Senate, May 5, 2002, SB 1936 Con., vote 26.

11. Illinois Senate, March 25, 2003, SB 2163, vote 18.

12. “Clinton, Edwards, Obama on gun control,” Radio Iowa, Sunday, April 22, 2007. (http://learfield.typepad.com/radioiowa/2007/04/clinton_edwards.html)

13. Chicago Tribune blogs, “Barack Obama: NIU Shootings call for action,” February 15, 2008, (http://blogs.trb.com/news/politics/blog/2008/02/barack_obama_comments_on_shoot.html)

14. Barack Obama campaign website: “As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment . . .” (http://www.barackobama.com/issues/urbanpolicy/#crime-and-law-enforcement.)

15. Illinois Senate Debate #3: Barack Obama vs. Alan Keyes (http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm andhttp://www.ontheissues.org/IL_2004_Senate_3rd.htm)  Oct 21, 2004.

16. Illinois Senate, May 16, 2003, HB 2579, vote 34.

Look it up bitch.
 
first off-NS WHY THE FUCK WONT YOU LET ME QUOTE HIM!!!!

second. i live in chicago id for suuure be down for that one. and didnt we already have this debate once in the GOP cult? as i said i dont agree with all of his laws, but a large portion of them.

also the look it up bitch was excellent punctuation to the argument...
 
Then don't read them fool.

To all that are calling me an idiot, why? Please tell me why I'm an idiot for posting a plan that has the possibility to be put into action and would be just one more example of the slow erosion of the constitution and mentioning my opinion on that example. Yes, there are many more topics we could be arguing about, however, we are currently arguing about this one.

Damn, this thread blew up quick. I wasn't expecting to see it so pig by the time I got home. I'll respond to more posts tomorrow if I get a chance.

Oh, and Aspen, it was sarcasm. Didn't you see the winking face? ;)
 
Drew just laid down the gauntlet. Aspen looks like a dumb, self serving, rep. prop yet again!
 
why do you guys instead of promoting what YOUR candidate believes in and voting for who you truly believe would change the country towards good, put the other candidate down in finding little things about them to nag and bitch about forever?

I'm sorry to the poster, but it looks to me like you're just putting him down becasue

A: you're voting against him and want people to think badly about him, or
B: I'm not sure why you would do this if you're truly "neutral" like you said you were, but just putting him down for the sake of it?
 
OHITHERE! Don't waste your precious time though because I do nothing but laugh at your 'thought out' posts on here. Your world view is so narrow minded and self serving its pathetic.

How often have you practiced at the range situations where your surrounds by bystanders, under stress and attack from a 'rapist' and you only have a split second to make your shot for your 'safety'? I bet you've never fucking practiced anything like that so dont tell me you have a good shot, which you somehow use to validate the notion that you should be able carrying a firearm in your purse. I know 5 year olds that could hit targets at a gun range...thats like claiming you're an awesome skier because you can ski the bunnyhill.

You're not safe. A gun wont make you safe and most times you wont even see the 'rapists' coming.

 
you're not using your head at all. saying any of those plans, let alone doing them, would be political suicide for any candidate in the US. but you apparently are treating this as credible.

obama isn't planning on getting rid of guns. even if he tried, he couldnt. he wants more restrictions. I agree.

every weekend in my state (virginia) a guy goes to a gunshow and buys a dozen or more "saturday night specials" (low quality handguns that cost about 100 bucks) and then drives to DC and unloads them for a huge markup to criminals.

"but the criminals are going to get them anyways!" yeah, because of shit like this. I think we can all agree, shit like that needs to stop. and if you don't agree with that, you are a heartless scumbag.

I don't agree with assault weapons bans because they dont actually do anything. anyone who knows a little bit about guns knows this. we just need to have restrictions where it counts.
 
"Hi. In my opinion, women are inferior and can't be trusted with the vote, ownership of a handgun, or basically anything that involves being outside of the home."

How's that work for you?

By the way, I think this thread touches on a major problem with the gun debate... not gun ownership in the home, or concealed weapons for "personal defense". The major problem with gun ownership is very well represented in this thread...

Stupid people with firearms.
 
thanks static now everyone can read and see obama is a people pleaser. votes for one thing and against another when both things are almost the exact same. dude is a fuckin retard.
 
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