US soldier snaps, kills Afghan civilians

I read the story of the one guy who hid in the room with the animals, and his dad got shot in the thigh when he left the room. This is the only guy I've heard say there was more than one soldier and he was hiding and never actually saw more than one. Are more people saying there were multiple shooters? Also link to the drunk article? Thanks
 
KABUL. American military on Sunday fired on civilians in Afghanistan.

Information on the number of victims had long been controversial. The case is to examine the Afghan minister of the military killed 16 people and wounded five.

Afghan President Hamid Karzai confirmed the Minister for assessment later in the afternoon and said that civilian casualties were among the nine children and three women.

Took place "secret murder" invited Karzai called for the United States report on the incident.

According to the U.S. factor at the rank of staff sergeant believed to have been alone.Detained in the military had been seconded to Iraq three times, but now he was the first time in Afghanistan.

Afghan minister Asadullah Khalid according to a military invasion of the night in the homes and shot his victims out there. According to Khalid was killed in three homes.

According to the early hours of the villagers were on the move, however, a number of drunken American soldiers.

The shooter or shooters raided three houses and opened fire.

"They shot drunk hot under the collar. Of deaths and the bodies were full of bullets," said killed a man who lives near the site.

The United States has presented its condolences to the families of the victims and promised to investigate the case. United States declares that the gunman was the only one.

President Barack Obama phoned President Karzai and expressed "shock and sadness at the 'shootings johdosta.Myös many American politicians through the field to the party regretted the incident.

Minister of Defence, Leon Panetta has confirmed that the suspected shooter was arrested.

The incident occurred Panjwayn in Kandahar province in southern Afghanistan.

A soldier's motives are unknown. According to the BBC, he was able to suffer mental collapse.

U.S. Embassy in Afghanistan warned of retaliatory attacks against Americans because of the shooting case.

Afghan and U.S. intervals are already strained. The reason is, inter alia, Broil, where American soldiers burned down last month in the Qur'an.

According to the BBC Panjwayssa vastalauseprotesteja broke out on Sunday because of the shooting of civilians.
 
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sounds like no one really knows. There are reports of drunken US soldiers out about the town that night, but that doesn't mean there were multiple shooters? We'll probably find out more over the next couple of days.
 
My thoughts exactly. If you only at his individual posts, he doesn't appear to be overtly anti-american. However, if you read enough of his posts, it's pretty clear what his agenda is.
 
Hahaha. What the fuck do you mean by that?

If you're talking about the American dream (which isn't a lifestyle), we have all read the Great Gatsby; I can promise you Americans know more about the American dream than you do.
 
Or you can just read everything else I've posted in this thread and be happy with it. And seeing as this site at least used to have a policy on banning aliases, yeah, why not.
 
I wonder what civilian and international opinion would have been in 1943-1945, had the internet, and digital media, been around.

For better, or for worse, the media, and civilians with no history or intention of ever serving, feel the desire and need to examine everything, in what has historically been deliberately separated, when possible, from the rest of civilization.

There are some things that people are honestly not prepared to know the truth about. War might just be one of those things.
 
I know I just about lost it when I read that-- I think he's misinformed.

The idea of having freedom and the liberty to pursue success and prosperity is...pathetic! useless! Tell my Grandpa how pathetic and useless he is...

"Because that notebook is what was available at the five-and-dime in Huron, South Dakota, when Mansour Karim went looking for a ledger in which to track expenses – his very first step toward becoming the successful engineer and businessman who has now given away nearly $1.5 million to charity, according to the Pierre Area Charitable Organization, which honored Karim as Pierre’s Philanthropist of the Year in 2011.

But that was all far in the future when Mansour Karim arrived on Nov. 28, 1950, with $27 in his pocket – five $5 bills with President Abraham Lincoln’s portrait on them and two more bills with George Washington’s face on them – and an iron resolve not to spend any more than he took in..."

full article here: http://www.capjournal.com/news/the-story-of-coming-to-america-is-written-in-an/article_601ed6d2-4262-11e1-abbd-0019bb2963f4.html

 
You making generalizations towards Afghanys is the same as everyone saying that a lot of people are genearlizing this shooter as the entire military. It was a terrorist group that is in many countries besides afghanistan and doesnt represent all of them, so yea they are just the same as you and me except they live a much less spoiled and priviledged life then we all do. Just sayin that was a pretty dumb statement
 
It's funny how in everyone of these threads you just come in here to talk shit about America. A lot of them are educated, sure not all of them but in every military there are the uneducated ones. You would be surprised how much written work there is in officer training. Your're dumb.
 
The underlying point in these thing is usually that the people who are serving, on the battlefront or not, are not drafted in this day and age, and go to the army for other reasons, which negates most acts of any kind of heroism or protectionism of the state.

It's a hard fact but it's true. Not to shit on anyone's dinner who went over there to fight a war that they thought made a difference, but...
 
lol at bashing Mike-O for bringing up uncomfortable topics. Everyone just ignore it and go back to living our inconsequential lives.
 
I'm pretty sure you're using the word protectionism wrong. I'd like to say that I understood what you were trying to say anyway, but I didn't.

Are you saying that soldiers are not heros because they go into the army by choice?
 
Yes, pretty much. At least not in the traditional sense.

A hero is someone who does things out of necessity, and out of force to do something heroic without a care for their own well-being, such as someone who saves a person from a burning house or someone drowning from a pool because there's not other option.

I do not think that someone who signs up for a war, that is to this day undeterminable in its intentions, as a hero, no siree.
 
you're going to get a lot of quote replies and I'm not going to go off the deep end in mine- but this argument isn't very valid.

If someone saves people from a burning building, or drowning, they do so by choice-- they don't have someone drawing their name out of a hat and then forcing them to go into the burning house.

Just seems like your argument should be the other way around, as the other poster said. Someone who is willing and volunteers to go into battle is being selfless.

Also, not everyone in the military signed up for this war. Many were in the military prior to the onset of this war-- they do what their country asks of them- regardless of what that might be.

Soldiers who go into the army with the mindset that they want to protect and serve are heroes, and they do what is asked of them because that's the promise that they made. They have to believe that what they're doing is right- because they've put their trust in the U.S. government to send them only on missions that protect and serve our country. If the mission they're on isn't for the good of our country, their country is to blame for sending them there.
 
This is completely ass backwards logic. You are voluntarily putting yourself in harms way for your country. In a draft you have no option but to be there.. so you maybe wanna try that one again? Cuz I'm pretty sure you just went full retard.
 
Mike I can see what you're saying, off the people I know personally who went into the military, the majority did because they had nothing else to do. Some went simply cause they wanted to "fuck shit up", but none did so to selflessly fulfill their patriotic duty like those army adds would like to have you believe, that's just propaganda.
 
No, the definition of a hero is someone who does heroic acts under pressure, forsaking their own light and being to succumb to others' will.

While many can think that police, firemen, or soldiers become heroes just "because", I don't. I believe that the true heroes in our world are those who do things out of necessity, putting themselves in harms way.

The US/Afghan/Iraq war is not out of necessity nor are any of the soldiers out in the field automatically labeled heroes, no way. If some of them come home as invalid, it's very, very sad, but it doesn't change the fact that the war machine has painted so many eyes red and is built on bad chances, such as carrying people through college if they support the war by serving.

War is not the end-all, be-all of humanity, and you all can't let the hypocrisy of being US citizens cloud your minds from the facts.
 
There is an actual definition of "hero" and it is not that.

and arguing the necessity of having people continue to join the military vs. the necessity of the current war that is being fought are two totally different things.

and your last sentence...I don't even....

strawman-motivational.jpg
 
having read the whole thread I have concluded that (most of) the americans who have posted are sick in the head, it's saddening..
 
The responses to this thread are about the same as the responses you would get if you asked a bunch of 13 year olds a question related to sex.

Some would tell you that they did not really know what was going on, some would keep their mouths shut, a few would have had sex, and the majority would be spewing their mouths on a topic that they know absolutely nothing about.
 
Another cyclic, pointless, political Newschoolers shitstorm. Some of you, yes, need to get some fucking sun and cool your NS posting addiction, because it doesn't affect you're resume, never mind the world, and amounts to fucking nothing in the end. Why don't some of you go to a political hearing, conference, or debate, and discuss these things with adults that actually went to school for this shit? They'll just tell you that you need to leave.
 
How is it different, or in any way a Straw Man fallacy?

So many people in the US, stereotyping as I go, have a sense of superiority and patriotic tooms when it comes to one hero, survivor, one who saves the whole team from an IED attack.

A hero is born, a single soldier saddled on the gears of propaganda to garner more people under its wing.

But then, poof, a single soldier in this case does wrong- shoots up three homes of Afghani civilians. While the facts are still not 100% out, the main reply here has been that "no one cares", "shit happens" and "we got more important shit to deal with".

If tha isn't disturbing, I don't know what is.

A hero, by common definition, doesn't fall as person who willingly wrought him- or herself into a war that definitely didn't need them.

A hero is someone who is a normal person, who acts out necessity to save or continue someone's life. Signing up for something is not necessity.
 
Well the "oh hai" meme nerdiness was one way to shoot yourself in the foot and put a sock in your own mouth. Anyways, sorry, I forgot they taught political science in middle/high school, which I think is a completely fair generalization of the users of this online forum. Your words are like mine - nobody really gives much of a shit about them! Get over yourself, it's only the internet.
 
once again, none of this really has anything to do with what I was saying. So nevermind.

All of your posts are starting to say the same thing. And seriously, you just keep implying that all of our soldiers chose to partake in the current war. That isn't true nor is it what I'm arguing. The U.S. military did exist prior to this war, you know.

Your argument is about whether or not someone fighting the current war is a hero-- mine was about whether or not soldiers are heroes. So we aren't really arguing the same thing= pointless to go back and forth.

Whether or not someone is a hero is mostly subjective anyway, so we just have different opinions, that's all.

I never said no one cares, shit happens, or anything along those lines so stop replying to me with arguments/statements that have nothing to do with me.
 
You keep denying things all you want, "missy".

A hero is someone who OUTS HIS OR HER LIFE ON THE LINE... out of NECESSITY!

Like a random man, seeing a burning housem diving in a and coming out with a baby who would havw died - a hero.

A person who sees an old lady cross the street when the light changes green - a truck is coming full blast and almost kills the lady, but this person jumps in and pushes her out of the way to save her, not thinking of his/her own safety.

Those are heroes. People who 'enlist' to fight wars overseas or any wars are not heroes and never will be, in any way, unless they become people who unselfishly save their brethren from other acts of war or violence - yet again, why are the others there, either?
 
Oh okay. I forgot I was talking to the veritable authority on this matter with your whopping 5 weeks of experience.
 
How is it that when someone that saves another person from a roadside bomb is not a hero? To them it was necessary to do something like that and not a choice but i guess everyone has their own opinion.
 
Because if we're talking about the Afghan and Iraq War, none of these people are there for a reason, and as such do not count as "heroes".
 
but you have 300 posts in 1 month, and he has 3000 in 12 years. that's 20/month vs. 300/month. I'm not trying to argue with you just calling him a screen hugger doesn't make sense.
 
Yet we all know what the reality and gravity of the situation is.

People do not simply become heroes in modern times by joining an army.
 
Oh, and going to war is not courageous at all in it itself, that is my opinion, and my perception.

At least when not uniformly defending a nation on its borders, which is not going on in the US right now.

I for one am as unpatriotic as they come, and am still thinking of the possibilities to escape over defending if push comes to shove, yet even though I don't believe in arbitrary lines drawn in sand, I will fight for my 'nation' and I will kill you if it really comes to that, if escape is not an option.

But volunteering for war? Pssssh! Bullshit, I say. Think of all the resources committed towards military progress, converted towards foreign help or scientific development.

Think.
 
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