Unpopular opinion thread skier's edition

14448734:Farmville420 said:
Kind of proving my point, zahners progression was fucked, he pumped out shit tons of videos, he was tech as fuck, and if he was born a decade earlier he’d be Tom wallisch.

and it’s crazy youre saying stuff like “the people on his level was zero” when Bobby brown was throwing triples in 2010 like what??
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lol you don’t know what you’re talking about. sam is good. tom swept comps for 2 years straight while putting out film parts. bobby brown did a triple, fantastic. show me his urban parts
 
14448736:danbrown said:
lol you don’t know what you’re talking about. sam is good. tom swept comps for 2 years straight while putting out film parts. bobby brown did a triple, fantastic. show me his urban parts
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all of these skiers mentioned...

none of them can do a nose butter.

they trained skiing in speedos.

Dan, You dont know what you are talking about, the kids know you are a kook. I used to respect you.
 
14448733:ReturnToMonkey said:
There were people as stylish as Tom Wallisch and people with as big a trick bag. But ^ hit the nail on the head that Twall had by far the most versatility looking back. He could do it all. Win comps, put out sick street segments, ski some pow pretty well (especially for an east coaster ;) ), and do it all while having the right attitude and style. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but it seems like there was pretty much nothing to critique him on.
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TOM WALICH CANT NOSE BUTTER.
 
14448736:danbrown said:
lol you don’t know what you’re talking about. sam is good. tom swept comps for 2 years straight while putting out film parts. bobby brown did a triple, fantastic. show me his urban parts
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The whole reason that two year run (which would have been longer if not for the pre Olympics ACL tear) was insane was because of the competition at the time. Literally every single rider from that era is an icon of the sport and if we had a HoF they would be all be in it. That’s the only thing I’m trying to say lol
 
14448704:Farmville420 said:
Idk man, Tom blew up in college when he was in his 20s skiing 5 days a week at Park City. Zahner lived in jersey his whole life and had better rail tricks than 90% of pros at the age of 15.

[video]https://youtu.be/unYd4i-KkP4[/video]

I don’t think people realize how many people were on Wally’s level in the late 2000s early 2010s. Hell I would even say Dale Talkington was probably the most talented park and street athlete during that timeframe and he was in high school too. I’m all for giving Bob walnuts shot loads of credit but he wasn’t *lightyears* ahead of everyone else, that’s discrediting so many kids riding during that time. he just happened to make all the right moves and pump out iconic edits and grow his audience bigger than anyone else’s.
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I had already been watching ski videos for 5 or 6 years when twall started dropping edits and I remember being so blown away by how cool he made skiing look. I think you’re focusing way too much on tricks and not enough on style. Twalls style was so on point that it literally became the standard for proper execution in slopestyle, countless skiers have emulated him. Dale was on fire at the same time but his impact on the sport wasn’t even close to the same.
 
14448750:hi_vis360 said:
I had already been watching ski videos for 5 or 6 years when twall started dropping edits and I remember being so blown away by how cool he made skiing look. I think you’re focusing way too much on tricks and not enough on style. Twalls style was so on point that it literally became the standard for proper execution in slopestyle, countless skiers have emulated him. Dale was on fire at the same time but his impact on the sport wasn’t even close to the same.
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dale talkington took his $100,000 payments from nike chosen,

never produced anything, ever, again...

real skiers deserved real careers, tom wallich and crew bullied the sport to its death.
 
14448765:thankagaper said:
dale talkington took his $100,000 payments from nike chosen,

never produced anything, ever, again...

real skiers deserved real careers, tom wallich and crew bullied the sport to its death.
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it was actually the TGR Collab comp. nike chosen was before it. get your shit straight
 
14448734:Farmville420 said:
Kind of proving my point, zahners progression was fucked, he pumped out shit tons of videos, he was tech as fuck, and if he was born a decade earlier he’d be Tom wallisch.

and it’s crazy youre saying stuff like “the people on his level was zero” when Bobby brown was throwing triples in 2010 like what??
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you can argue all you want but tom still had better style than anyone more tech than him
 
14448767:asparagus said:
you can argue all you want but tom still had better style than anyone more tech than him
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[video]https://youtu.be/agfxZaMl_Wk[/video]

I can’t let you say stuff like that when edits like this exist
 
14448734:Farmville420 said:
Kind of proving my point, zahners progression was fucked, he pumped out shit tons of videos, he was tech as fuck, and if he was born a decade earlier he’d be Tom wallisch.

and it’s crazy youre saying stuff like “the people on his level was zero” when Bobby brown was throwing triples in 2010 like what??
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Yo, you're so totally right. You make complete sense. Sam is the best and he would have been Tom Wallisch if Tom Wallisch never existed and Sam was born in his place.
 
14448774:skierman said:
Yo, you're so totally right. You make complete sense. Sam is the best and he would have been Tom Wallisch if Tom Wallisch never existed and Sam was born in his place.
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haha right. big gaper vibes
 
14448771:Farmville420 said:
[video]https://youtu.be/agfxZaMl_Wk[/video]

I can’t let you say stuff like that when edits like this exist
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For every 1 of these fire d talk edits there are like 3 equally iconic twall edits, plus all of his L1P segments, plus all of his competition victories.
 
14448704:Farmville420 said:
Idk man, Tom blew up in college when he was in his 20s skiing 5 days a week at Park City. Zahner lived in jersey his whole life and had better rail tricks than 90% of pros at the age of 15.
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Wallisch grew up skiing in Pennsylvania, Maryland, and West Virginia. Learned tricks in shit ice parks, and backyards, where he started revolutionizing style, and put the "pretzel on the map in a big way (from what I remember his rail tricks where more progressive and steezier than most established pros at the time) . before college he won the West Virginia Open which got you an invite to the Vermont Open, I cant remember exactly how he placed there, but pretty sure it landed him a spot at the US Open. After that it was an invite to maybe the first JOSS as a complete AM, where he threw the F down on those massive jumps. Then he moved out west for college, and rode real parks all day and completely blew up.

not trying to D ride Tom (he aint no Delorme), but he put in work on shitty South East mountains and got good as F.

also not hating on Zahner he is a dope rider, but I started seeing him pretty regularly at Keystone A51 when he was like 16ish I believe, so not really sure what your saying with "jersey his whole life"

Guess my point is learn ya history boi!

this whole argument is also dumb...Tom is dope for being tom, zahner is dope for being zahner, etc. to each there own.
 
14449088:CT_CREW said:
Wallisch grew up skiing in Pennsylvania, Maryland, and West Virginia. Learned tricks in shit ice parks, and backyards, where he started revolutionizing style, and put the "pretzel on the map in a big way (from what I remember his rail tricks where more progressive and steezier than most established pros at the time) . before college he won the West Virginia Open which got you an invite to the Vermont Open, I cant remember exactly how he placed there, but pretty sure it landed him a spot at the US Open. After that it was an invite to maybe the first JOSS as a complete AM, where he threw the F down on those massive jumps. Then he moved out west for college, and rode real parks all day and completely blew up.

not trying to D ride Tom (he aint no Delorme), but he put in work on shitty South East mountains and got good as F.

also not hating on Zahner he is a dope rider, but I started seeing him pretty regularly at Keystone A51 when he was like 16ish I believe, so not really sure what your saying with "jersey his whole life"

Guess my point is learn ya history boi!

this whole argument is also dumb...Tom is dope for being tom, zahner is dope for being zahner, etc. to each there own.
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You make good points but I’m confused about 1 thing, zahner didn’t move out west until he was also in his early 20s as well (same time as Tom did in his career). Sam and his crew made annual trips to film for beast coast but other than those 1 week film trips idk what ur talking about, maybe you were watching a different 16 year old?
 
14449108:Farmville420 said:
You make good points but I’m confused about 1 thing, zahner didn’t move out west until he was also in his early 20s as well (same time as Tom did in his career). Sam and his crew made annual trips to film for beast coast but other than those 1 week film trips idk what ur talking about, maybe you were watching a different 16 year old?
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haha for the record, I aint into watching 16 year olds, that don't sound right.

but ya annual trips to Key from early on, then moving west while still young.. You made it sound like Tom was born at Camp Woodward somewhere in Utah, While Zahner lived in Jersey honing his tricks in the backyard until the Age of 70.

Anyway what is the argument again Sam Zahner would look like Tom Wallisch if he was born on the same day? Or Tom Wallisch is actually Dale Talkington? I'm down.
 
14449121:CT_CREW said:
haha for the record, I aint into watching 16 year olds, that don't sound right.

but ya annual trips to Key from early on, then moving west while still young.. You made it sound like Tom was born at Camp Woodward somewhere in Utah, While Zahner lived in Jersey honing his tricks in the backyard until the Age of 70.

Anyway what is the argument again Sam Zahner would look like Tom Wallisch if he was born on the same day? Or Tom Wallisch is actually Dale Talkington? I'm down.
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The original argument doesn’t even matter I was flying back to Connecticut for a wedding and needed to invent something to talk about to keep me from being bored on the plane lol

But yeah I was thinking about similarities between skiers and those two seem identical to me in terms of like being prodigies and dumping content for years and moving west and blowing up so I just worded it like a buzz feed headline and here we are lol

i still believe almost all of the stuff I said, but I’m also pretty biased for VT riders lol
 
Hatveit was on Toms level both on rails and jumps. His street stuff was amazing but there isn’t as much of it compared to Tom.
 
14449141:Slowbro said:
Hatveit was on Toms level both on rails and jumps. His street stuff was amazing but there isn’t as much of it compared to Tom.
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Good shout dude, Hatveit was fucking crazy, unlocked a hidden memory
 
14449145:Farmville420 said:
Good shout dude, Hatveit was fucking crazy, unlocked a hidden memory
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Now you have to watch every TGP edit

[video]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8JpQNzDTFVg[/video]
 
14449138:Farmville420 said:
The original argument doesn’t even matter I was flying back to Connecticut for a wedding and needed to invent something to talk about to keep me from being bored on the plane lol

But yeah I was thinking about similarities between skiers and those two seem identical to me in terms of like being prodigies and dumping content for years and moving west and blowing up so I just worded it like a buzz feed headline and here we are lol

i still believe almost all of the stuff I said, but I’m also pretty biased for VT riders lol
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Nah, you're just a fucking idiot.
 
Gus was also on Tom's level IMO, had bc and street parts in Rage and MSP movies while also competing in all three disciplines. Super smooth style too if not as unique as Tom's.

 
14449197:Slowbro said:
Gus was also on Tom's level IMO, had bc and street parts in Rage and MSP movies while also competing in all three disciplines. Super smooth style too if not as unique as Tom's.

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holy fucking shit I cannot believe that video is 9 years old now. I remember watching it when it came out and marveling at how clean those hits were
 
ya, what danbrown said

14448731:danbrown said:
eh sorry this is completely inaccurate. the number of people that were on toms level in the late 2000s early 2010s was exactly zero. tom learned tricks at an unfathomable pace and got better literally every single day. there has never been a rate of progression like his - he was absurdly versatile, nobody could ever touch his superunknown. he also had better style than 100% of people doing it. theres a reason he won every single comp for like 2 years straight and put out better video parts than anyone else at the same time. you saying "he just happened to make all the right moves and pump out iconic edits and grow his audience bigger than anyone else’s" is one of the most insane and misguided things ive ever read on this website. theres a reason his name is as big as it is, its totally justified and youre fucking clueless if you think otherwise
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14449197:Slowbro said:
Gus was also on Tom's level IMO, had bc and street parts in Rage and MSP movies while also competing in all three disciplines. Super smooth style too if not as unique as Tom's.

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hopefully gus will come back and film some edits
 
14449716:ReturnToMonkey said:
The sideways/revert landings pros have been doing a lot lately look uncool and ruin the tricks
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Oh you mean the stupid fucking "shuffles" The Bunch was pushing when in reality they were just sloppy ass landings?

Yeah, you're a few years late on this one, kid.
 
14449717:skierman said:
Oh you mean the stupid fucking "shuffles" The Bunch was pushing when in reality they were just sloppy ass landings?

Yeah, you're a few years late on this one, kid.
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I mean it seems like it's a newish trend amongst non-swerve skiers recently. I know it's not a new thing
 
The drinking culture surround skiing is really dumb and a turn off for me. I don’t like skiing drunk and I especially don’t like skiing hungover.
 
14450900:icecoastshredder said:
The drinking culture surround skiing is really dumb and a turn off for me. I don’t like skiing drunk and I especially don’t like skiing hungover.
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there is no need to participate in it. I personally hate drinking, I have put alcohol in my body less than 10 times in my life. I've had no issue skiing loads over the years without feeling the need or pressure to drink.

If you are constantly being pressured to drink by the people you ski with, find new people to ski with. Most people will have no issue with your decision to not want to drink + ski

**This post was edited on Jul 21st 2022 at 5:05:14pm
 
14450902:Rparr said:
there is no need to participate in it. I personally hate drinking, I have put alcohol in my body less than 10 times in my life. I've had no issue skiing loads over the years without feeling the need or pressure to drink.

If you are constantly being pressured to drink by the people you ski with, find new people to ski with. Most people will have no issue with your decision to not want to drink + ski

**This post was edited on Jul 21st 2022 at 5:05:14pm
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I know, and I don’t really feel pressured by anyone to drink. I’m not trying to be judgemental either. I just think ppl slamming beers and acting like dumbasses in ski edits is lame
 
14450900:icecoastshredder said:
The drinking culture surround skiing is really dumb and a turn off for me. I don’t like skiing drunk and I especially don’t like skiing hungover.
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I don't like skiing or really any high risk activity and drinking. But skiing THEN drinking I am all about. Nothing like a glass of dark or amber beer after skiing.
 
This is a very niche observation but as a ski coach myself, I really do get annoyed sometimes when we get these families that sign their kids up for ski team that can struggle with the fundamentals. Some days it feels like ski school daycare because mom and dad don't want to deal with their kids and want to go take laps on their own. Stragglers do sometimes slow down the groups and especially when the rest of the group is keen to work on stuff and get after it. For all the parents on NS that may consider a freeski program for their kids: Please get them dialed on the basics. We run them through drills and everything but this isn't a free for all. We want to get kids on podium and hopefully living out their dreams
 
14450918:GrandThings said:
Its really hard to make skiing on skis less than 96 waist look cool.
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why am i the only one who agrees with this

when the skis are too narrow it can tend to look a bit awkward if your style isn't super good
 
14450905:icecoastshredder said:
I know, and I don’t really feel pressured by anyone to drink. I’m not trying to be judgemental either. I just think ppl slamming beers and acting like dumbasses in ski edits is lame
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op is either under 15 or over 30
 
Skiing is on the verge of its first real renaissance since the New Canadian Air Force era, and NS/NSers are missing it. The user base and staff of this site are obsessed with an era of skiing that posterity will recall as being mostly uninspired, and characterized primarily by a culture of exclusivity.
 
14451495:hank.ski said:
Skiing is on the verge of its first real renaissance since the New Canadian Air Force era, and NS/NSers are missing it. The user base and staff of this site are obsessed with an era of skiing that posterity will recall as being mostly uninspired, and characterized primarily by a culture of exclusivity.
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Kind of agree. Freeski was born out of the rebelliousness that drove the action sports boom of the 90s and 2000s in an effort to break down stale culture. Once the so called golden era of freeskiing came a segment of the sport decided that's when changed and challenging culture needed to stop and that sentiment is very popular on this site.
 
14451495:hank.ski said:
Skiing is on the verge of its first real renaissance since the New Canadian Air Force era, and NS/NSers are missing it. The user base and staff of this site are obsessed with an era of skiing that posterity will recall as being mostly uninspired, and characterized primarily by a culture of exclusivity.
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Oh look, the non-binary skier is turning everything into an issue about sexuality and identity. I'M SHOCKED!
 
14450953:DeebieSkeebies said:
This is a very niche observation but as a ski coach myself, I really do get annoyed sometimes when we get these families that sign their kids up for ski team that can struggle with the fundamentals. Some days it feels like ski school daycare because mom and dad don't want to deal with their kids and want to go take laps on their own. Stragglers do sometimes slow down the groups and especially when the rest of the group is keen to work on stuff and get after it. For all the parents on NS that may consider a freeski program for their kids: Please get them dialed on the basics. We run them through drills and everything but this isn't a free for all. We want to get kids on podium and hopefully living out their dreams
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here's an unpopular opinion....... "freestyle/freeski" coaching shouldn't exist
 
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