University of Colorado Concealed Carry Ban Ruled Unconstitutional

Lets all be honest here, is someone who is in the mental state to shoot up a school going to care whether its legal or not to carry a concealed weapon on campus.

"Well you know i was going to shoot and kill several ppl at school today, but once i realized it was illegal to carry a gun on campus, i changed my mind."
 
really??

are you really as stupid as you sound.....?????

NO FUCKING SHIT DUDE. BUT WHEN THE CRAZY GUY COMES TO SCHOOL WITH A GUN AND THE NON CRAZY GUY ALSO HAS A GUN A LOT LESS PEOPLE MAYBE BE KILLED OR INJURED.

DO YOU UNDERRRRSSSTTAANNDDD??????
 
according to wiki, 30 people died over the last 3 years in school shootings in the US. i am not saying that this is not much, but it pales in comparison to the thousands of people getting killed/injured with firarms every single year in the US.

here are harvard studies that find evidence that liberal weapon laws and homicide/suicide/accidents rates are probably positively correlated, contrary to the "studies" in this thread from pro-weapon institutions.

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/research/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/index.html

only cancer and traffic accidents claim more childrens lives in the US than accidents with firearms. around 242 children under 15 died PER YEAR from unintentional firearm injuries in the observed period (1979-1997)(Miller, Matthew; Azrael, Deborah; Hemenway, David. "Firearm Availability and Unintentional Firearm Deaths." )

 
at least read the abstract of a few of the papers in there.

well around 1500 people per year died regardless of age if that helps you because of unintentional firearm use.

my point is that the general easy-going mentality (availability and carrying laws) regarding weapons does lead to more homicides, suicides and accidental deaths. and i have harvard studies to back that assumption.
 
hey gun lovers. i cant hear you over the sound of my winning argument ending this thread.

feel free to continue your pro-weapon propaganda despite logical and scientific counter-evidence.

yours sincerely,

feihlination
 
I dont need to read anything, I have been around guns my entire life and never had one accident with one. Sorry some fucking dumbass left his loaded handgun in his night stand so his 5 year old could find it and blow his head off.

Sorry your dumbass 15 year old friend thought it would be cool to go grab his grandpas hunting rifle and wave it around aiming it at his friends not realizing it was loaded until he pulled the trigger blasting one of your other buddies.

Sorry your 15 year old friends grandpa is a fucking retard and left his gun loaded for his grandsons dumbass to find.

Guns dont kill/hurt people my friend the person holding the gun does. Should there be stricter gun laws, sure I would say that would be fair. But if someone respects a gun and knows how and when to properly use it you would hope to god they are there for you if you ever found yourself in a scenario where a gun might be a good thing to have.
 
its not being biased its the fucking truth. stupidity is what kills people when it comes to firearms(accept obviously when someone is actually trying to kill someone).

Most accidentely shootings which the other kid was talking about happen because of someone making a mistake with the gun. Aiming it someone as a joke, not checking if it was loaded, playing with it and having no idea how to use it... I mean the list can go on. We don know that a guns trigger does not pull itself.

Scared, Im not scared I have 4 guns within 10 feet of me!!!!
 
There is a difference between being prepared and scared. I have a concealed carry permit but I never carry, soooo really no I am not scared, just keep the house prepared for a possible chinese or russian invasion.
 
its just sad how people grieve for the victims of the school shootings and ask for more weapons to prevent those scenarios, when those exact same weapons kill 100 times more people by fucking accident every year.

i know you would like to think that everybody with a gun is a rational individual. but somewhere some fuckheads seem to have guns or else all those gun related deaths would not be the case.

you fail to see the big picture. just because you and your family have not shot each other yet, doesnt mean that a gun is as safe as a stuffed toy in general. since youre so concerned with the 15-yr olds, i REPEAT: 30000 people died in accidents involving guns between 1979 and 1997 in the US alone.

its downright hypocritical to defend guns in the light of those events. but since you wont read anything, i guess i have to move on. ignorance at its best. not surprising though, because its a well-known pattern among the pro-gun fraction.
 
yeah, just like everyone who is in a car crash is a fucking idiot.

or everyone who worked on challenger is a stupid.

accidents happen man. and the more firearms you have, the more accidents will happen.
 
see, you're an idiot. you dont just pull your gun out in that situation. anyone with a permit has been trained that the first thing you try to do is de-escalate the situation. if theyre holding his friend with a knife, you give them whatever they want. and if they still dont leave and you cant get away, you use the gun as a last resort. people need to realize that a permit holder doesnt have the right to just pull his gun out and use it whenever he wants. it is only as a last resort when there are no other options and you believe if you dont shoot the perp (not point the gun at him, not threaten him) until the threat is disabled that you or someone else will be killed or suffer a severe bodily injury.
 
almost every post in here that is against it clearly shows a lack of understanding of the laws and an irrational fear of guns.
 
25 % means less deaths, isnt that the point of this all? And do you realize that you have to be over 21 to get your CCW license. So first of all no "kids" will have there license. The only kids that are bringing the guns into school are the crazy psycho ones who would never be able to get there license. But, obviously that doesnt stop them, so there lies the reasoning behind this all. And CU has had this law implemented since 2003 and there hasnt been any shootings here (on campus). Overall i think no one should be allowed to carry a weapon on any campus but, without the evidence saying that it does in fact increase gun violence i think they are in the right by allowing this.
 
I'd say they show a clear understanding of the laws and no irrational fear of people to use guns against.
 
winning argument? logical and scientific counter-evidence? i especially have to laugh at the "logic" that relying on police(waiting 10 minutes for a cop to show up while peoples brains are being blown out) to stop a school shooting or to protect you from an attacking criminal is in any way more effective than defending yourself and acting quickly.

any way this is just pulled from the other thread, yes more from woozy, theres a ton more in there i can bring up if ya want.

The British handgun ban started in 1997 and from 1998 to 2005 they saw the number of deaths and injuries from gun crime increase 340%.

Ireland confiscated all handguns and center fire rifles in 1972, the result? In just two years the murder rate was 5x higher. In the following 20 years after the ban was in place the murder rate was 114% higher than the pre-ban murder rate. The post ban murder rate was always at least 31% higher than the pre ban murder rate.

Jamaica banned all guns in 1974. The result? In 1973 the murder rate was 11.5 per 100,000. Just four years after the ban the murder rate rose to 19.5 per 100,000. By 1980 the murder rate was 41.7 per 100,000.

The Soviet Union banned guns. Take a guess what happened. From 1976 - 1985 they had a murder rate 21% - 41% higher than the US. By 1989 the murder rate was 48% higher than the US.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/lott/lott55.html

Australia passed significant gun control measures in 1996. The result? Violent crime rates averaged 20% higher from 1997 - 2002. Violent crime rates were 32% higher than the year before the law was passed.

Guess what else went up after the law?

Armed robbery increased 74%.

Aggravated assault rose 32%

Rape 12%

murder, attempted murder, and manslaughter rose by 5%

http://johnrlott.tripod.com/op-eds/BanningSwordsAustralian.html

Remember how crazy the Swiss are about guns? They must have significantly higher crime rates than those smart countries that have gun bans or heavy restrictions right? WRONG.

Austria, France, Germany, and Italy had murder rates 21%-112% rates higher than the Swiss in 2000.

England and Wales have total bans on handguns , and their murder rate was 68% higher, rapes were 188% higher, and the robber rate was 493% higher

http://www.lewrockwell.com/lott/lott17.html

Maybe the Canadians figured it out?

In 1998 the gun registry was introduced. In the next 10 years the Canadian murder rate increased by an average of 3% and included a year where it was 12% than before the restrictions. During the same 12 year period America's murder rate dropped by 33% and violent crime rate dropped by 32%

http://www.fraserinstitute.org/research-news/research/display.aspx?id=11344

 
so its pretty sad when cars are built to be safe yet they kill more people than something made to kill people. in the end cars kill more people. we cant let people have cars if they are going to go around using them carelessly and killing people.

thats a lot like how you say we cant let people have guns because people use them carelessly and end up killing people.

i still just dont get the logic of disarming a public so they cant defend themselves against the armed criminals.
 
luckily all of your pussy liberal opinions dont mean two shits because we have the constitution.

guns are bad blah blah blah. only people who say that dont own and have rarely been around guns. its a hunk of metal and a spring. guns arent bad, bad people are bad
 
Adequate attempt at a troll, but implementation suffers and as such is not enough to warrant a full-blown shitstorm.

C-, try again.
 
ok, now I think you're just trolling.

why would a bunch of mentally stable people with CCP's just all of a sudden decide to have a gun fight?

 
I take serious issue with this crap. There is no such thing as a gun accident... Anyone who accidentally shoots themselves or another person is negligent. Guns don't accidentally go off, guns are just a pile of metal and parts with out a brain controlling it and if an evil person or a negligent person is in control of a weapon they make it dangerous just like they could make a kitchen knife or an axe dangerous. Guns are not dangerous evil and/or stupid people are dangerous and it's illogical to restrict responsible honest people from easily accessing and carrying firearms and those are the only people gun laws affect because those people honor the laws...
 
in 1997, the UK invented a new counting system. i am pretty sure your biased source did forget to mention that. and by all means, the crime rate in general didnt go through the roof.

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this is from the guardian. just FYI.

furthermore, the gun crime rate went slowly up since the mid 80s at least.

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of course, if you misinterpret the statistics and only read the part you want to read, you see a steady rise after 1997 (the new gun-law). but it was there earlier and the trend just continued.

speaking of only reading the part you want to read. here is the statistic on only gun-related crimes:

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YES, they rose incredibly. but look no further than my first graph or the next one to see that the UK didnt go apeshit:

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THE FIRST GRAPH, RED LINE SHOWS HOW PEOPLE "FELT" (SURVEYS) SAFE. AND APPARENTLY, AFTER 1997, THEY FELT A LOT SAFER, WHILE THE GENERAL NUMBER OF REPORTED CRIMES WAS PRETTY STABLE AFTERWARDS. ALL MY SOURCES ARE BBC, GUARDIAN OR (SEMI-)GOVERNMENTAL INSTITUTIONS.

so while you look at misinterpreted and fake data from pro-gun liberalists and want to think that the UK went completely down the shitter crime-wise, i actually researched a bit.
 
jamaica, what the fuck? in another thread someone of you complained how i compared europe with the US, and you bring up jamaica?

not only that, but again you are looking at possibly wrong data. maybe fake or probably misinterpreted by pro-gun lobbyists. i cant find a time series (1970/4 - 2010/1) in the surface web that is NOT by john r lott. not even the statistical service of jamaica has that information online.

what i found is that the carribean in general has the highest murder rate of any region, page 4:

http://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/Caribbean-study-en.pdf

that UN report identifies other issues with the crime rate in the carribean, one being the US, canada and the UK sending back convicted criminals to their home-island jamaica.

I AM NOT SAYING THAT THE INFORMATION IS FAKE. BUT I DOUBT ITS ACCURACY SINCE ITS IMPOSSIBLE (PROVE ME WRONG) TO FIND THE CORRESPONDING TIME SERIES ON A NEUTRAL PAGE OR WITH SOME INTENT TO PROVIDE NEUTRAL INFORMATION.

 
so you say that the soviet unions murder rate went up? because that sentence is not a proof of that. what if only the US rate fluctuated? this is complete and utter bullshit. i dont get how anybody with a brain reads this and is not at least skeptical?

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because the US-murder rate dropped a lot in that period, before going up for a long time. so the soviet murder rate could have stayed the same or gone down even a bit. but you dont read that in that statistics.

READ WHAT YOU WANT TO READ AND SHUT YOUR BRAIN OFF, BUT DONT TELL ME I AM THE MORON.

so, i show you. its hard to find (without pro-gun websites obviously) data on when the soviet union banned guns. but its stated that it was during the "communist revolution" and i guess (in the general terminology of rightwing fuckheads) i say carefully that that event was SOMEWHERE before 1940.

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so the homicide rate stays stable for 30, 40, 50 years (wherever you agree with me on the date of that "communist revolution") and THEN goes up as a result of the gun law? ok, i get that.

THANKS GUYS, so LOGICAL. WELL ITS NOT. YOU GUYS BELIEVE EVERY HORSECRAP SOMEONE WITH A CONFEDERATIONS FLAG SHOVES INTO YOUR FACE. YES, I AM GETTING A LITTLE MAD. THIS "SOURCE" IS COMPLETE BULLSHIT. THE WORDING IS "WISELY" CHOSEN SO THAT YOU COULD INTERPRETE IT THAT WAY WHEN ITS CLEARLY NOT SHOWING ANY CORRELATION.
 
I AM NOW OFFICIALLY TOO TIRED TO DESTROY THE OTHER FACTS. MAYBE THEY ARE TRUE OR MAYBE NOT, BUT THEY ARE DEFINITELY NOT FROM A NEUTRAL SOURCE, CONTRARY TO THE HARVARD STUDIES I PRESENTED EARLIER. BUT APPARENTLY THE COUNTERPARTY WAS TOO LAZY OR PREOCCUPIED TO READ THEM.

REMEMBER ONE THING. EVEN IF THE NUMBERS IN YOUR "SOURCE" WERE TRUE: WHY ARE ANTI-GUN POLICIES IMPLEMENTED? BECAUSE OF DRASTICAL INCREASES IN CRIMES. SO THE ONLY ARGUMENT YOU COULD HAVE IS THAT THOSE BANS DONT STOP CRIMES IMMEDIATELY. AND YOU DIDNT EVEN BRING THAT ARGUMENT. I HAD TO BRING IT FOR YOU. NO PROBLEM. THANK ME LATER.

AND I AM MAD. I WANTED TO REFRAIN FROM CALLING YOU NAMES BUT YOU GUYS UP THERE ARE SUCH A IGNORANT AND NARROWMINDED BUNCH, ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO TALK TO YOU ON A INTELLIGENT LEVEL.

INB4 "tl;dr"

INB4 "YOURE A FUCKHEAD"

INB4 "YOURE A PUSSY"

ITS LATER. YOU CAN THANK ME NOW.

THAT WAS FUN. THX, K BYE

 
Knowing this makes reading his posts tolerable. Him and Mike-O are two of the most obnoxious, stupid and naive posters on this website. Thank the gods they don't have a vote in our democracy.
 
Let me just rephrase this for everyone:

"I have absolutely no counter-argument for those statistics, so I'm just going to say they're false with absolutely no facts of my own."
 
NONONO. read my other posts if you can. i clearly destroyed three arguments from the same source, so i make a reasonable guess that the other three might be wrong too.

seriously dude. unlike the other guys, i actually spend time educating myself. i have to go to bed now since i am a european liberal pussy and have uni tomorrow. sorry that i am not using another 1 and a half hour to dismantle every single argument the pro-gun party brought up when they wont even take the time to read them nor to respect my mental integrity and the work i put into this research.
 
Feilhenation just drop it. Your not a citizen here so just shut fuck up. This shit has no effect on you and your just arguing for the sake of it. At least those of us who live in America have a stake in this. Your a European liberal goon and I doubt you will ever convince anyone. Mind your own business, no one gives a shit how Europeans feel about guns, we get it you guys don't have the same level of freedom as us. But that doesn't make it right for you to try and force your crappy laws and standards on us. WE LIKE GUNS ASSHOLE and most importantly it is one of our very specific and few inalienable rights.
 
If you "destroyed" three arguments people wouldnt still be on here calling an idiot.

Seriously go fap out or somethin.
 
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