Twin towers controlled demolitions?

steel doesn't even support its own weight depending on how thick it is, it bends, ever pick up some flat bar or steel plates in bends downwards. And after burning for over an hour I bet yo the temperature got quite hot, and weakened it.

add to that hundreds of tons of water in the tanks on top, and the sway stabalizer blocks on top. 100's of tons also too much stress for the weak floors, the main steel outside colums were ok but the inside fell apart, then once the floors were gone, the ouside beams just kind of followed. Remember at the end you could see some of the ouside beams still sticking way up towards the sky. it was the inside the problem and not the outer frame

Stress will get you nowhere,

 
go ask yr father how you spell steel

ever see a bridge collapse, I have!

cause the drawing plans were wrong!

and it was made of, yup steel

Stress will get you nowhere,

 
well they got two planes here that caused around 4000 deaths, so im pretty sure they could get more here. they have allies too.

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now thats interesting, I always thought that, were was the friggen plane. hummm I'm not

to sure about all this now.

Stress will get you nowhere,

 
that video is awesome

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even if you go with the planes brought the building down argument, why did they BOTH fall as if they were perfectly demolished? I am pretty impressed with Al Queda. They managed to take down the Twin Towers without causing a great degree of domagae to the surrounding city. They actually, managed to hit the point i the buildings where it would weaken all four steal reinforced corners of the building at teh same time and that all four supports would collapse at the same point. There is even a dip in the middle of the building, just like professional demolition. Wow, I am impressed.

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And what about Building 7? I really is the key to all of this.

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'naahhmahhnahh

hahhh ... i mean ... the weekend of monday'

"go down to the bottom bunk and finish yourself"

"I may be the last to cross the finish line, but at least im in the first race - pun intended"

 
HAHAHAHAHAHA! I love teenagers. Yep guys, the Man is against us all, he blew up the towers AND bombed the embassies in 1998. He stole your weed too guys. Come on...the more you buys into this shit the further along it goes. It's people like you guys that are keeping these ridiculous claims alive, gullible people like you guys.

 
hmmm... this is really one big argument that will get nowhere, it's interesting nonetheless

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don't take me for a joke, i'm no comedian. too many mental problems got me snortin' coke and smokin' weed again.
 
"The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists."

-J. Edgar Hoover

Id also like to say that its people like you with closed minds who let tyrants get away with murder. Just complacent and happy with every descision the government makes. They are people who do make mistakes and bad decisions too you know. Its happened all through history and it will happen again for thousands of years to come. Just sometimes the people dont take a stand, and thats when you get empires like that of Nazi Germany. You cant tell me that my comparison between modern US and Nazi germany is bullshit. Even if you assume that it really was terrorists who took town the towers, like im sure you do, you cant tell me the history of hitlers germany and the course US domestic polices dont parallel to this point. If you try, your just plain ignorant.

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-Thom Savery

please pardon the cacography

.C.C.R..P.P.P.

'naahhmahhnahh

hahhh ... i mean ... the weekend of monday'

"go down to the bottom bunk and finish yourself"

"I may be the last to cross the finish line, but at least im in the first race - pun intended"

 
Oh, and who is more gullible? the person who just accepts every peice of information which is spoon fed to him or the person who scrutinizes and distrusts the information, and goes out insearch of some which makes sence and is trustworthy?

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please pardon the cacography

.C.C.R..P.P.P.

'naahhmahhnahh

hahhh ... i mean ... the weekend of monday'

"go down to the bottom bunk and finish yourself"

"I may be the last to cross the finish line, but at least im in the first race - pun intended"

 
Thats a good point

Man whats the matter with that cat there?"

"must be full of reefer"

"full of reefer?!"

"yea man"

"you mean that cats high?!"

"sailing"

"sailing"

"sailing lightly"

 
I whish some of you retards had a chance to grow up around politicians, especially those in DC. They are not these evil power hungry men that you believe them to be. They are not that terribly brilliant, and they do not have as much influence over the world as you believe. The entire Beltway situation is a bullshit press. I have worked on the hill for two summers, and most of my friends have as well. Politics are fucking boring in real life. All you ever do is sit in hearings or play golf. No secret plotting during ether. They talk about the same stupid stuff as everyone else in the world.

I am also an engineering student (Econ is my second major that is why I worked on the hill). We ran HUNDREDS of heat stress analysis programs using the temperatures reported, as well as feasible margins of error in this reporting. The steel can not collapse on it's own at these low of temperatures, but that is not what caused these buildingsto collapse. The collapse was due to weakened (not compromised) support bearing an inordimant amount of the load after the shift in the weight on the support. Basically the same thing all those shows have said, but they use a ton of bullshit terms so no one ever understands what they are really saying. As for building 7. We have no idea why that happened, every possible test ran showed that the debris from the nearby collapse would not cause any severe structural damgage. That one is quite perplexing.

 
on the other hand, isn't that what we are doing when believing that movie? Just being devil's advocate here for a sec...

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Apple...you could NOT be more wrong about me. I am definetely NOT one who accepts whatever their government "spoon-feeds" them. I am very much against almost all the policy decisions of this government. I shocked, appalled, whatever adjective you can think of when George Bush won his election not once, but TWICE! I was living in South America when the US decided to go to "war" with Iraq, so I had a very nice outside perspective on that and our government.

Honestly, I consider myself VERY liberal, so you are kind of way off on your assuption about me. Throughout my life, and especially during my undergraduate years at college, I learned to criticize everything that came my way, especially information from our own government. Just one example: I researched and wrote a 25 page paper on the Japanese Internment Camps on the west coast during WWII and the veil the US government glossed them over with.

These are the issues I enjoy, and I hate, as I'm sure you do, people that blindly support a government or ideal, just because its "their government" and the societal norm. BUT, I also dislike people who can't see factual truth because of their excitable emotions and hard-line beliefs. The 9/11 conspiracy is a band-wagon, and the more people jump on this bandwagon, the more strength it will gain. In other words, sometimes you have to look past your digust with government entities (especially this government) and look at just the facts. It is good that you are able to criticize and hate the man, but factual information should always come first.

BUT, remember, facts can always, always be swayed to support one's side. This is why you need to be able to look at all the information about 9/11, including common sense. Sure there were some coincidences about the way the towers fell, but there is solid physics and reasoning behind it, you just have to look at it without suspicion in clouding your view.

Oh, and who said they didn't do damage to the surrounding area? My aunt lives close by and told us stories about how that whole block was covered in debris and parts.

 
i think the best word to describe the whole twin tower event is "sketchy". I want to believe that there is no conspiracy and that it was terrorists that took down the towers, but after watching the video of their collapse, it is very hard to believe that they weren't expertly demolished. I really want someone to explain to me why at least part of the buildings didn't fall sideways and why there was a dip in the middle of the building during collapse. Also, how was this able to happen with BOTH buildings. If building 7 was demolished, why not the towers? Maybe they were afraid the towers would topple sideways so pulled them. They covered it up because people were still in the buildings when they pulled them and it is better for the gov. if the planes took the buildings not and not dynamite.

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Ottawa
 
paljibber, i pbly know more about politics then you will ever know, so dont even think about talking that shit around me. Woopty doo! You've lived in washiington. That means absolutely nothing, do you think there is an aura around washington that only people that live there will truly understand?

The truth is, if we werent in any way gullible, we would never have ideas. We would just sit around complaining, and being overall cynical. Then you have to redefine what gullible really is. If we always viewed every idea presented to us without gullibility, there would be no progress. Do you have any idea how a game boy works? Pbly not, but we look at the circuitry that is presented to us, and other people may tell us how it works with taht circuitry. What if that is a total lie? What if we were so cynical we wouldnt believe what we are told. Would we still play that game boy? Probably not. Holy shit i'm getting off topic. so just kinda forget about that last part

Allright, the point is that we dont all come up with every idea we have. Its impossible to, we learn these ideas. You dont think there is a certain gullibility there? We need to be told ideas, if they reinforce other more basic and important ideas we have then we accept them.

Man whats the matter with that cat there?"

"must be full of reefer"

"full of reefer?!"

"yea man"

"you mean that cats high?!"

"sailing"

"sailing"

"sailing lightly"

 
i stopped when they started talking about the steel melting. one of the first issues that was talked about with the WTC collapsing was that the steel used would deteriorate at 900F. the 'explosions' in the the towers could have been a number of things, such as gas lines, cooling lines, electrical devices that were overloaded and so on. it is also possible the terrorists could have planted explosives in advance of the attacks.

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Yeah, I agree and disagree on both sides... How come the terrorists couldn't have planted explosives? What were the US government's motives? How could've building 7 have collapsed? Why even fly planes into the buildings? Why not just blame the bombs on the terrorists and be done with it? All the evidence was erased...

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Viva La Resistance!

 
if the terrorists had planted explosives, we would have heard of it from the government. Explosives leave traces behind that would have been picked up by the forensic units. If the forensic units were ordered not to search for explosives though... a motive would have been saving many other lives and buildings by demolishing the towers properly instead of letting them fall.

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Like a virgin on prom night.

Ottawa
 
Maybe they had advance notice that terrorists were going to fly the planes in for whatever reason, didn't know when, or whatever.. and to stop them from collapsing and causing a lot of collateral damage it was decided to set charges to it would come straight down. i dunno. it is a bit odd about the security going down from the 48th floor up a week before and NORAD taking the morning off. who knows.

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there is no reason why bush would want the wtc to collapse. someone said it was so he could instill fear in the hearts of americans so he could win the next election. that just doesnt make sense. if bush wanted to win the election so bad why would he destroy the wtc and send our country into a very predictable recession. this recession caused our economy to fall apart and hurt bush's popularity. that same person also said bush destroyed the wtc as an excuse to go into Iraq, a very unpopular move, and take their oil. i dont know where you live but i'm paying 2.30 per gallon. if bush wanted to go into iraq that badly, he could have found another reason without killing thousands of his own people.

 
He never would have been able to go into Afghanistan nor Iraq qithout 9/11.

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Ottawa
 
it wasnt the actual impact of the planes that caused the building to colapse, it was the heat from the planes burning that caused the main supports to weaken and once those went everything above it started to come down and there was no stopping it.

 
if he was willing to murder four thousand americans to get into Iraq, he could have claimed a number of lies that would have allowed us to go into Iraq. he could have said wmd's have been found already or saddam has already used bio and chemical weapons. bush could have claimed genocide. bush could have come up with a number of lies that would have allowed him to enter Iraq all of which would have been easier than murdering four thousand americans. dont forget the president can send troops anywhere he wants for 90 days without any restrictions from congross. bush had no reason to want to murder four thousand americans

 
3000, and no, he couldn't have made war without a good reason. He needed the fear in order to go to make "pre-emptive" strikes against america's enemies. The only lie that might have gotten him a war without 9/11 was the WMD threat, but he knew there weren't any in Iraq. With 9/11 and the war on terror and all these other things he has created into gimmicks, he has been able to get away with lying and killing.

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Like a virgin on prom night.

Ottawa
 
its bulls shit....they wouldve evacuated the towers if they were gonna knock them down so that no1 would die or get hurt

ski alyeska the home land
 
where's quinny?? i need a good article on why these posts aren't intelligent and arguments aren't thought though well enough and have proper footnotes...

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do you really think bush destroyed wtc in order to get into Iraq. a war that has killed him in the poles. right now i see no profit for bush as a result of going into Iraq. His popularity is going way down and gas prices are rising. why would he murder three thousand people for these kind of results.

 
"As for building 7. We have no idea why that happened, every possible test ran showed that the debris from the nearby collapse would not cause any severe structural damgage. That one is quite perplexing."

If nothing else, it proves that the government is lieing to its people.

And my gulible thing wasnt aimed at anyone, it was just meant to show that I am not a gulible person.

And mr.man who lives on the capitol hill, I live in Ottawa and am around polotics all the time. I know that it seems very very boring, but at the same time we have scandel upon scandel on the hill. The real test of polotics is history. And through out the history of polotics we see time and time again that power breeds crouption.

And its not bush persay who gained from going into iraq, but his personal fourtune has increased. But the people who benifit from this are the ones who are getting the contracts from the war and the newly needed security systems.

the real problem with all this isnt the who did it or why it was done, Its what is being done in the wake of the events. Loss of rights and freedoms. The last time that started to happen, 6 million jews were murded. Remember, Hitler said it was the communists and Jews who burned down his capitol building...

Another intresting story from all of this is that the plane which "crashed" as the offical story goes, was actully shot down on its way to the capitol building. If jet goes ofcourse for 5 minutes, in the most secure air space in the world over the us, the normal respons is the send 2 f-16 fighters to intercept the plane and stand guard by it. This could have happened late on 9/11... not 5 minutes in but not tooo long anfterwards. The only problem was that the whitehouse gave an order that the planes were not to fly faster than 300mph, only 20% of their top speed, on the way to intercept the planes. THey could have caught up and stoped at least the second 2 planes from hitting buildings. One general dissobayed these orders and had the 4th plane shot down. If that plane had hit the capotil building, the US would have gone directly into a state of martial law. No freedom. That is from a varified source within the pentagon who contacted Alex Jones.

Its also very odd how the side of the pentagon which was hit was virtully empty at the time of the impact.

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'naahhmahhnahh

hahhh ... i mean ... the weekend of monday'

"go down to the bottom bunk and finish yourself"

"I may be the last to cross the finish line, but at least im in the first race - pun intended"

 
maybe they waited as long as they could before thye had to pull them. Unfortunately, there were still people inside.

DL.CCR.PPP.J-CREW

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Ottawa
 
why did bush win the 2nd election? because people thought he was a better war-time leader. He has lost popularity since then, but this is his second term, do you think he even cares?

DL.CCR.PPP.J-CREW

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Ottawa
 
Bush... Kerry... Cousions... Did you know they were cousions? Both members of the Skull and Bones, Both pro war... It didnt really matter who won, they are both puppets for the same people.

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-Thom Savery

please pardon the cacography

.C.C.R..P.P.P.

'naahhmahhnahh

hahhh ... i mean ... the weekend of monday'

"go down to the bottom bunk and finish yourself"

"I may be the last to cross the finish line, but at least im in the first race - pun intended"

 
I think Bush is smarter then you all think. I'm pretty sure he knocked the buildings down so that the planes wouldn't hit them. By getting the buildings to "duck" before the planes got there he probably figured he'd avoid the terrorist attack.

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Viva La Resistance!

 
the goverment hasn't and probably never will officially deny anything. the goverment talking about it or denying it will just draw attention to the subject and the crap load of evidence supporting the theory that they would rather ordinary people didnt know about. think about what kind of attention came when the goverment first started denying shit like area 51. i mean the have video games and shit for it now.

this is not a signature.
 
its just crazy to accuse bush for destroying the towers as an excuse for going into iraq. if all bush wanted was money, he wouldnt have become president. he would have been a business man. i still dont see what bush has gained from the war. its a real stretch to say going into iraq won him the election. the country was really split on the iraq war during the election and i dont think bush would destory the wtc for a split decision.

 
he wasn't too successful at busniess man../.

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apple....you're an idiot.

IF YOU THINK THE GOVERNMENT IS SPOON FEEDING US THINGS, THAN WHAT THE FUCK IS THE PERSON THAT MADE THIS FUCKIN VIDEO DOING. AND WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT TOLD YOU ALL OF THE "FACTS" THAT YOU ARE QUOTING NOW?

How about a little conspiracy theory of my own- that person is a very talented cinematographer and made absolutely everything in that video up in attempts to start his own "revolution". Eh?

How about you people use some fuckin common sense instead of trying to be all hardcore and come up with every possible way to scream "OPRESSION!!" and "TYRANNY!!" and "IM INSECURE ABOUT MYSELF AND IM GONNA BLAME ALL THE WORLDS PROBLEMS ON THE PRESIDENT BECAUSE IM A LITTLE UPSET THAT THE WORLD ISNT PERFECT AND NOBODY ELSE HAS DONE ANYTHING ABOUT IT BEFORE NOW!!!"

1) If this guy that owned the buildings actually demolished them for the insurance money, why didnt he wait until the middle of the night to do it, when less people would be killed?

2) BETTER YET, WHY DIDNT HE JUST SELL THE FUCKIN BUILDINGS AND MAKE MORE THAN $3.5 BILLION?!?!?

3) Who said there wasnt any structural damage to any other buildings around the towers? That is DEFINATELY a load of shit, because NUMEROUS buildings had MASSIVE structural damage.

4) What about the plane that hit the Pentagon? Or the one in Pennsylvania? (The missile conspiracy is bullshit....I was in DC on 9/11 and saw the plane hit the building)

5) The video of "Bombs" going off as the buildings were collapsing is complete bullshit. Was there an invisible force-field that prevented the crumbling debris from traveling faster than the actual line of destruction?

If Bush is a "PUPPET", then why do you all hate him so much? And if neither him nor congress are running the country who is?

How about you go slit your wrists, curl up in the bathtub and go write a song about how your life sucks and about how everyone in the world is out to get you. That would sure be alot more productive than coming on here and complaining that you're oppressed and Nazi America is just a fascist dictatorship that kills its own people for no reason whatsoever.

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man...i dont know what to beleive anymore. i do think that the government had something to do with it tho.

 
and its not just bush is is benifiting from this... most of his senior staff is as well

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-Thom Savery

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.C.C.R..P.P.P.

'naahhmahhnahh

hahhh ... i mean ... the weekend of monday'

"go down to the bottom bunk and finish yourself"

"I may be the last to cross the finish line, but at least im in the first race - pun intended"

 
He wasn't too successful at business man? What the fuck is that shit? How do you miss the two most imperative words in that sentence? Lets try "he wasn't too successful as a business man." What are you using to support this claim. Do you understand the ammount of time and effort goes into fundraising. Running for President is a busisness in itself. Get a clue moron.

 
You are a moron if they wanted to blow the building they would have just blown the building and blamed in on mass explosives etc, planted in stairways, elevators, etc. It must be great living in your ignorant, arrogant world.

 
1. He demolished building 7 because he saw that he saw a good insurance scam out of it. He didn’t have it planned, from what I understand, but took advantage of an opportune situation.

2. He still owns the land. Doesn’t have to pay taxes on that money.

3. What other buildings had MASSIVE structural damage? You make claims without identifying the buildings at all.

4. wrong buildings

5. I didn’t watch the video because I have slow internet. But if no demolition was used to bring down the twin towers, why did they fall straight down with a dip in the middle. Perfect building demolition style.

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