Trump Indicted

14534637:Turd__Authority said:
Did I click on the 30 different hyperlinks within the article and evaluate them? No. I don't care about this topic or wish to spend an entire day researching it to prove a point on a forum with 50-100 active members.
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So you had no point. Thanks for your contribution :)
 
14534464:ASSholebomber22 said:
I didn't ask for a persuasive essay from a biased source for a correlation between poverty and crime. I asked for statistics comparing violent crime by race of people who are already impoverished.

Your first thought may be to reply that black people are disproportionately impoverished. Obviously they are, I'm not arguing that. But that is not what I'm asking. Re-read what I wrote above again and let me know what you find.
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I provided a link full of sourced data that links violent crime to poverty and also shows how economic assistance lessens violent crime. I did this to substantiate a guess I had and even said the link isn't as established as I previously thought. It's true that's not what you specifically asked for but I'm not your clerk and you can research like a big boy if you want specific stats.

If its obvious that black people are disproportionately impoverished and commit a disproportionate amount of crime maybe it'd be ok to assume there's some sort of correlation there? Against the context of America's historical treatment of black people the case seems stronger.

All I have been saying is that there are contextual reasons to explain why crime stats show black people commit more violent crime. I'm not ignoring the reality of the stats, its just that I don't believe that black people are more violent by nature.
 
14534669:AndrewGravesSV said:
I provided a link full of sourced data that links violent crime to poverty and also shows how economic assistance lessens violent crime. I did this to substantiate a guess I had and even said the link isn't as established as I previously thought. It's true that's not what you specifically asked for but I'm not your clerk and you can research like a big boy if you want specific stats.

If its obvious that black people are disproportionately impoverished and commit a disproportionate amount of crime maybe it'd be ok to assume there's some sort of correlation there? Against the context of America's historical treatment of black people the case seems stronger.

All I have been saying is that there are contextual reasons to explain why crime stats show black people commit more violent crime. I'm not ignoring the reality of the stats, its just that I don't believe that black people are more violent by nature.
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You're impossible.
 
14534669:AndrewGravesSV said:
Against the context of America's historical treatment of black people the case seems stronger.
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well here’s an article from Canada

https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/jr/obpccjs-spnsjpc/index.html#:~:text=Black%20people%20are%20overrepresented%20among,victims%20were%20identified%20as%20Black.

Canadian police are not allowed to collect race data on criminals but I think it’s safe to say this is black on black crime. This is an issue everywhere, not just in America.
 
14534681:EggMann said:
Might wanna read that again
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Actually nvm you clearly didnt read the whole thing in the first place. Yeah, disproportionate amount of black prople commit crimes. K. They also face disproportionate outcomes and hate crimes as stated in that article.

just shut the fuck up. You are racist we get it.
 
14534681:EggMann said:
Might wanna read that again
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I read the article. It draws completely different conclusions from because it’s biased. Canada doesn’t allow their police to collect race data because they have a bunch of overly PC liberals running the show up there. Look at the data on murder victims though. Pretty interesting ?
 
14534685:EggMann said:
Actually nvm you clearly didnt read the whole thing in the first place. Yeah, disproportionate amount of black prople commit crimes. K. They also face disproportionate outcomes and hate crimes as stated in that article.

just shut the fuck up. You are racist we get it.
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Lol why are you so upset?
 
14534674:ASSholebomber22 said:
You're impossible.
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source?

14534680:Granby_killdozer said:
well here’s an article from Canada

https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/jr/obpccjs-spnsjpc/index.html#:~:text=Black%20people%20are%20overrepresented%20among,victims%20were%20identified%20as%20Black.

Canadian police are not allowed to collect race data on criminals but I think it’s safe to say this is black on black crime. This is an issue everywhere, not just in America.
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I'm not sure what you're trying to prove with it being black on black crime. What's next you gonna argue "well you see slavery was actually in Africa before white people got there so its actually their fault white people enslaved them"?

Look, there is legitimate data out there that shows that violent crime correlates with black people and even factoring in poverty levels, black people still commit disproportionately more than other races. I was hoping the data wouldn't show that but I was wrong and can freely admit that. I know because I did google and research it.

However, I still believe in other factors at play like disproportionate policing of minority neighborhoods, our justice system as it pertains to poor people in general, redlining, the fact that property taxes fund schools, and our general history with people of color among others. At the end of the day, it's really just putting a critical thinking cap on for a second combined with being a bit empathetic to get there. Believe what you want to believe but damn maybe try listening instead of drawing your own conclusions about everything.
 
14534730:AndrewGravesSV said:
source?

I'm not sure what you're trying to prove with it being black on black crime. What's next you gonna argue "well you see slavery was actually in Africa before white people got there so its actually their fault white people enslaved them"?

Look, there is legitimate data out there that shows that violent crime correlates with black people and even factoring in poverty levels, black people still commit disproportionately more than other races. I was hoping the data wouldn't show that but I was wrong and can freely admit that. I know because I did google and research it.

However, I still believe in other factors at play like disproportionate policing of minority neighborhoods, our justice system as it pertains to poor people in general, redlining, the fact that property taxes fund schools, and our general history with people of color among others. At the end of the day, it's really just putting a critical thinking cap on for a second combined with being a bit empathetic to get there. Believe what you want to believe but damn maybe try listening instead of drawing your own conclusions about everything.
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Source: you dancing around the question for 2 straight pages of the thread
 
14534686:Granby_killdozer said:
Canada doesn’t allow their police to collect race data because they have a bunch of overly PC liberals running the show up there.
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Where the fuck did you get this from? Clearly you know nothing of my home.
 
14548540:Granby_killdozer said:
https://www.utoronto.ca/news/canadian-police-agencies-suppressing-data-race-says-criminology-study
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Where in this is it the fault of said PC liberals?

Seems to me that progressive people are calling for the police to start taking race into account so they can accurately track whether there's bias in the police force and that the police force are just using 'political correctness' as a justification for them to not track this data so the information can't be used against them.
 
14548566:PacificRimJob said:
Where in this is it the fault of said PC liberals?

Seems to me that progressive people are calling for the police to start taking race into account so they can accurately track whether there's bias in the police force and that the police force are just using 'political correctness' as a justification for them to not track this data so the information can't be used against them.
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Lmao its an article from 2012 it feels like granby didn't even read considering the first sentence.

"While only 20 per cent of Canada’s police forces have an explicit policy against reporting the race of victims and accused persons, criminologists from the University of Toronto and Nipissing show that the majority of police departments do not report race in practice."

Looks like they reformed it and took a lot better data since then too:https://data.torontopolice.on.ca/pages/race-based-data

Also Trump said he was 6'3 and 215lbs and you know that has to be some complete bullshit lol
 
14548571:AndrewGravesSV said:
Lmao its an article from 2012 it feels like granby didn't even read considering the first sentence.

"While only 20 per cent of Canada’s police forces have an explicit policy against reporting the race of victims and accused persons, criminologists from the University of Toronto and Nipissing show that the majority of police departments do not report race in practice."

Looks like they reformed it and took a lot better data since then too:https://data.torontopolice.on.ca/pages/race-based-data

Also Trump said he was 6'3 and 215lbs and you know that has to be some complete bullshit lol
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Your country froze bank accounts on citizens who donated to people protesting an experimental "vaciine" that turned out to be a complete money grab from big pharma.

LOLOLOLOL
 
14548572:VTshredder69 said:
Your country froze bank accounts on citizens who donated to people protesting an experimental "vaciine" that turned out to be a complete money grab from big pharma.

LOLOLOLOL
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im american dipshit
 
14548566:PacificRimJob said:
Where in this is it the fault of said PC liberals?

Seems to me that progressive people are calling for the police to start taking race into account so they can accurately track whether there's bias in the police force and that the police force are just using 'political correctness' as a justification for them to not track this data so the information can't be used against them.
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Ya ok whatever you say dumbass.
 
14548571:AndrewGravesSV said:
Lmao its an article from 2012 it feels like granby didn't even read considering the first sentence.

"While only 20 per cent of Canada’s police forces have an explicit policy against reporting the race of victims and accused persons, criminologists from the University of Toronto and Nipissing show that the majority of police departments do not report race in practice."

Looks like they reformed it and took a lot better data since then too:https://data.torontopolice.on.ca/pages/race-based-data

Also Trump said he was 6'3 and 215lbs and you know that has to be some complete bullshit lol
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How does a report from the university of Toronto that says the majority of police in Canada don’t collect race based data disprove my claim that police in Canada DONT COLLECT RACE BASED DATA?!

Holy fuck you must’ve huffed so much glue as a kid to be this dumb…
 
14548582:Granby_killdozer said:
How does a report from the university of Toronto that says the majority of police in Canada don’t collect race based data disprove my claim that police in Canada DONT COLLECT RACE BASED DATA?!

Holy fuck you must’ve huffed so much glue as a kid to be this dumb…
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Your point was that police in canada dont collect race data because woke liberals in charge are making it that way. All the sources i saw showed that the liberal people are pushing for more race based data collection for insights on systemic racism. That push is the change the 10 year old article you cited was advocating for.

goddamn dude dont throw a hissy fit when people actually google when you tell them to
 
14548590:AndrewGravesSV said:
Your point was that police in canada dont collect race data because woke liberals in charge are making it that way. All the sources i saw showed that the liberal people are pushing for more race based data collection for insights on systemic racism. That push is the change the 10 year old article you cited was advocating for.

goddamn dude dont throw a hissy fit when people actually google when you tell them to
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yeah they weren't collecting race data because of liberals in the first place you dumbass. Canada has been all in on the PC bullshit since the 90s...
 
14548592:Granby_killdozer said:
yeah they weren't collecting race data because of liberals in the first place you dumbass. Canada has been all in on the PC bullshit since the 90s...
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How is cops not reporting race data that they are supposed to because of liberals? Is the argument that most canadian cops are woke libs so they refuse to report race even though its their job to?

Help make it make sense
 
14548597:AndrewGravesSV said:
How is cops not reporting race data that they are supposed to because of liberals? Is the argument that most canadian cops are woke libs so they refuse to report race even though its their job to?

Help make it make sense
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He's probably saying that it's labeled "racist" to collect data on arrests. Certainly sounds like a dumb canadian lib policy.
 
14548598:VTshredder69 said:
He's probably saying that it's labeled "racist" to collect data on arrests. Certainly sounds like a dumb canadian lib policy.
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So there was a shit policy for the minority of Canadian police departments, liberals/progressives call it out, police departments change and start collecting more race data.

What's the point then?
 
14548598:VTshredder69 said:
He's probably saying that it's labeled "racist" to collect data on arrests. Certainly sounds like a dumb canadian lib policy.
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yeah it was for a long time in canada. those dumbasses didn't want to have public records showing clear disparities in the amount of crime committed by minorities.
 
14548602:AndrewGravesSV said:
So there was a shit policy for the minority of Canadian police departments, liberals/progressives call it out, police departments change and start collecting more race data.

What's the point then?
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it wasn't for a minority of police depts... That report from UoT said that a MAJORITY of police departments in canada didn't collect race data. if they did... well we know what it would show if they did.
 
How TF did you guys get on the topic of racial crime data in Canada, from the topic of Trump being indicted?

Quit it with the strawman arguments
 
14548679:ThaLorax said:
How TF did you guys get on the topic of racial crime data in Canada, from the topic of Trump being indicted?

Quit it with the strawman arguments
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The road of whataboutism is long and well traveled
 
14532879:VTshredder69 said:
I respect your opinion. I'm not supporting making voting more difficult. I'm just stating the fact that voting once every four years really isn't difficult in the first place. Thats obviously my opinion and I'll stand by it. If you can't get to the ballot. You can respectfully request an absentee ballot. Which has been done for 100 years at this point?

I don't get why an absentee ballot isn't good enough.. but thats like my white privilege I guess.
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I don't go to the ballot because a.) I don't suck cock b.) neither Executive Officer of US inc made me a ham sandwich, ever. C.) Voting in federal elections is a soap opera. Popular vote shows a disparity ONLY. Electors or Congress LLC, if they do not agree on Electors vote, can vote for anyone. If nobody voted, the EO would still select EO. If every citizen voted for lizzie Velasquez, she wouldn't be so bad (doesn't have the blackmail though), Electors and Congress would vote for somebody else showing 100% disparity between citizens and board members of US inc.

And nobody asked for my opinion but Frankincense tree resin is good shit.
 
14533165:.MASSHOLE. said:
I mean that has to be one the most outrageous statements I've ever seen when it comes to politics.

Elections aren't the most important part?

You mean the only process where, we, the voters, get to find representation for our morals/values/stances/beliefs by picking a candidate that most closely supports these ideals isn't the most important part of politics?

Shit. If that's not the most important part, I don't know what is. It is literally the only manner that we can actually influence politics at any level beyond ballot measures propositions.
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ONLY local and state inc elections matter for us plebs. Unless you're a FED. Federal elections are for board members of US inc only, which is a trading corporation.
 
14549003:PacificRimJob said:
Next time, just say 'yeah, fuck I'm dumb - youre probably right after all' like you really meant to say.
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yeah man you totally disproved what I said by giving your personal opinion on canadian police data collection practices. you're clearly an expert an authority on that subject along with any other subject in which you disagree with me lmao...
 
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14549011:Granby_killdozer said:
yeah man you totally disproved what I said by giving your personal opinion on canadian police data collection practices. you're clearly an expert an authority on that subject along with any other subject in which you disagree with me lmao...
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Oh quit being an angry republican! We've got too many of those already.
 
14549003:PacificRimJob said:
Next time, just say 'yeah, fuck I'm dumb - youre probably right after all' like you really meant to say.
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Those with differing opinions are not always dumb.

Sometimes they just have points you don't appreciate.
 
14549069:eheath said:
please keep your dogshit discussions in this thread, I deleted the other one.
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Ahh a comment about pushing Hillary through instead of Bernie is a red flag? You realize this thread would have never existed if the DNC did the right thing and put up the true candidate who would have beaten Trump right?

Sorry to speak the truth but censorship is exactly what is wrong in today's world.
 
14549071:VTshredder69 said:
Ahh a comment about pushing Hillary through instead of Bernie is a red flag? You realize this thread would have never existed if the DNC did the right thing and put up the true candidate who would have beaten Trump right?

Sorry to speak the truth but censorship is exactly what is wrong in today's world.
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Calm down and repost it, doubt more than 2 ppl read it anyway.
 
14549072:eheath said:
Calm down and repost it, doubt more than 2 ppl read it anyway.
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It's cool. Just trying to ask @skierman why he persistently asks me why the presidential elections are rigged when in fact the DNC pushed Hillary through instead of Bernie Sanders. This thread would have never existed if the real Democratic candidate was properly elected candidate.
 
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