Transgender Children? I'm not sure about this

[SFB]

I can't tell if the video is scripted, or if British children are that much more eloquent than American children... Cause I sure as hell didn't speak that properly at 9 (or now)

clearly lol kids aren't that smart and at that age they might say there a damn girafee or something.

 

[S.J.W]

What's your opinion?

On transgender children. Well I think they face enough hardships in life without people giving them shit because they are "pussy's" or just raised wrong. A report by the National Centre for Transgender equality found that 19% had been refused medical care, and 28% had been verbally assaulted. These are problems I think society should face, instead of worrying about whether or not being transgender is natural or whatever other discussion people have about trans people. I also think that gender as a social construct is complete bullshit, as demonstrated by David Reimer. Additionally I do think transgender's brains are wired differently from birth as demonstrated in the Dnews video.

But besides that I think it just comes down to treating people how you would want to be treated. I'm not going to be a cunt to someone based on their gender, just like you wouldn't discriminate against me because of my gender. So why is it okay for someone to discriminate against a trans person because they don't conform to the traditional sense of gender? We know trans people exist, we know they have problems.

 

[Gods_Father]

yeah but that is hillbilly logic

if you don't let transgender people into the bathroom of their choice you will find in the womens room with young women; women who look, act, and feel like men, and are likely into women. which is what you're trying to prevent right?

Ur a psychopath. A woman who feels like a man but has a vagina is not the same as a man who feels like a woman but has a penis. Women shouldn't have to deal with having piss on their toilet seats.

 

[arnie_grape]

Ur a psychopath. A woman who feels like a man but has a vagina is not the same as a man who feels like a woman but has a penis. Women shouldn't have to deal with having piss on their toilet seats.

I am going to go out on a limb here and say that men who want to be women don't piss standing up unless they're trying to hide it

 

[Mingg]

Additionally I do think transgender's brains are wired differently from birth as demonstrated in the Dnews video.

Someone could argue that any mental illness is caused by peoples' brains being wired differently. I mean mental illness comes down to heredity, chemical imbalances and skewed patterns of thinking. Is being transgender a mental disorder? I can't really answer that.

But given the fact that SO many people commit suicide after surgery(40%) and that at least 1 in 5 regret it, I don't think this is a "normal" thing. If all these people want is to be the other gender, then why are there such high rates of regret? Shouldn't this surgery be the answer to all of their problems? Instead it creates issues farther down in their lives and 2 out of 5 commit suicide(which another 1 in 5 regret it). That's a lot of fucking people!

 

[Mingg]

And with that I'm not trying to say it's right/wrong or natural/unnatural. I don't have the answers to those kinds of questions. But it's pretty clear transitioning to the other sex does a lot of harm. And while I try to keep an open mind and to be accepting, it's hard to be accepting of something that has such an undesirable outcome.

 

[Slush]

What's your opinion?

Didn't you see his "research paper" at the start of the thread?

 

[Slush]

Oh I did. It's just fucking disgusting that you used nazis and genocide in your analogies relating to letting people freely choose their gender or sexuality.

How does this issue affect you any more than another person's fashion choices?

How does it affect me? It doesn't. It effects them. I personally don't believe in promoting self destructive behavior, which you could argue is what "transitioning" is. Cutting off a body part, taking hormones, and basically forcing your body to become something it isn't is pretty much qualified as self destructive. If someone wants to wear fashion choices I don't like, more power to them. They aren't hurting anyone, nor themselves. It's just what they wear. If someone wants to put their body through tremendous changes it isn't meant to go through, I'm going to be against that.

And again, I'm not calling transgender people nazis or anything, I'm saying that the whole "let people do what they want as long as it doesn't effect you" argument isn't always applicable in every situation

 

[S.J.W]

Someone could argue that any mental illness is caused by peoples' brains being wired differently. I mean mental illness comes down to heredity, chemical imbalances and skewed patterns of thinking. Is being transgender a mental disorder? I can't really answer that.

But given the fact that SO many people commit suicide after surgery(40%) and that at least 1 in 5 regret it, I don't think this is a "normal" thing. If all these people want is to be the other gender, then why are there such high rates of regret? Shouldn't this surgery be the answer to all of their problems? Instead it creates issues farther down in their lives and 2 out of 5 commit suicide(which another 1 in 5 regret it). That's a lot of fucking people!

I assume you're referring to the 2010 swedish study done on 324 post op trans which got cited by over 100 news outlets? It's also important to note that the study suffers from one major flaw. They failed to follow them prior to operation, so those numbers are kind of arbitrary. It's also important to note that even in their own study they highlighted their own limitations to the study.

"For the purpose of evaluating the safety of sex reassignment in terms of morbidity and mortality, however, it is reasonable to compare sex reassigned persons with matched population controls. The caveat with this design is that transsexual persons before sex reassignment might differ from healthy controls (although this bias can be statistically corrected for by adjusting for baseline differences). It is therefore important to note that the current study is only informative with respect to transsexuals persons health after sex reassignment; no inferences can be drawn as to the effectiveness of sex reassignment as a treatment for transsexualism. In other words, the results should not be interpreted such as sex reassignment per se increases morbidity and mortality. Things might have been even worse without sex reassignment. As an analogy, similar studies have found increased somatic morbidity, suicide rate, and overall mortality for patients treated for bipolar disorder and schizophrenia.[39], [40] This is important information, but it does not follow that mood stabilizing treatment or antipsychotic treatment is the culprit."

Additionally studies which follow trans people prior and post op find a 90% reduction in depression.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/827713

But it's also important to note that having sex reassignment surgery doesn't magically make you feel better, there is still a lot of problems post op transexuals have to face. And we as a society should be talking about those problems as well other problems trans people face instead of focusing in on whether or not they should be able to use a bathroom or if being trans is a choice or whatever. Those discussions are pointless and stupid and distract us from where we should be focussing our attetion.

 

[californiagrown]

How does it affect me? It doesn't. It effects them. I personally don't believe in promoting self destructive behavior, which you could argue is what "transitioning" is. Cutting off a body part, taking hormones, and basically forcing your body to become something it isn't is pretty much qualified as self destructive. If someone wants to wear fashion choices I don't like, more power to them. They aren't hurting anyone, nor themselves. It's just what they wear. If someone wants to put their body through tremendous changes it isn't meant to go through, I'm going to be against that.

And again, I'm not calling transgender people nazis or anything, I'm saying that the whole "let people do what they want as long as it doesn't effect you" argument isn't always applicable in every situation

Oh, so you are 100% okay with EVERYTHING about transgender rights- bathrooms, rights, etc, except the surgery?

You honestly still don't see how vile and offensive your nazi analogy was?

 

[ImNotARacist]

She begins by asking people if a huge sum of money would get them to physically transition to the opposite gender. Most people say no, she said, because they'd rather continue presenting themselves as the gender they were born as and identify with. "If you go into why they're answering no, they'll usually say that it wouldn't feel right," Carollo said. "That's what you lock into. Take that sense and imagine if you had been born in the opposite body."

In my social health and diversity class we had a transitioning transgendered person come in and talk about his life. He was born a woman, was always the "weird" one growing up, and was very very unhappy as a woman. He had gone through hormone treatment and was very much a dude.

Before the class I was late and cut off a short mexican dude in order to get to class. The short mexican dude ended up being our speaker.

I was once like you people. Transgendered folks were just mentally ill.

Well that may be the case to a degree, but the problem isnt the transition to another gender, its the unfair pressure of a society with strict gender roles that causes these people to commit suicide.

The unfair judgment present in this thread is all the proof I need.

 

[XtRemE11]

Why do you care what someone does to themselves to make themselves happy. How does me chopping of my dick and changing my name to JoAnn affect you in the slightest?

You're fucking pea brained if you are honestly taking this shit to the extremes you are. Like ALL FUCKING RIGHTS you are allowed to exercise your pursuit of happiness up until that pursuit infringes upon another's rights.

How does me chopping my dick off and changing my name to Sally infringe upon your rights?

I dont have a problem with people doing it and keeping to themselves, thats totally fine with me. I'm not one of those people that sees a tranny and gets angry, its neutral, i dont give a shit about them, do your thing and ill do mine and lets be happy.

Its chopping your dick off, then expecting everyone to cater to your weak ass emotions, call you the right word that wont offend you, change the definition of gender, piss in a womans bathroom, change laws and regulations that could have the potential to infringe on my rights, trying to make people act a certain way around you, etc.. its throwing away common sense just to make people feel comfortable, thats fucked.

pretending to change gender is abnormal, people are always going to treat it as abnormal. you're always going to have people that dont like it, its human nature and people not liking other people for being different will never go away, it doesnt just apply to racists and rednecks, it applies to hippies not liking rednecks or businessmen because of their differences just as much.

the more you stand out from the norm, the more attention, positive or negative you're going to get. if you dont like that, blend in with everyone else.

I think we do a fairly good job as is when it comes to integrating trans people into our society without infringing on their rights, yet not infringing on the general populations rights either. but these trans people who expect everyone to bend over backwards for them, read a fucking dictionary on the proper wordage to use around them, and give them special treatment are what I dont like. its like any other group, race, religion, etc.. that want the rest of the world to cater to them. our culture shouldnt mold to them, but they can mold to ours and we can accept them.

 

[DJtearegas]

So, you clearly don't know anything about cultural anthropology....

Lmao fam whats your take then son

 

[californiagrown]

I dont have a problem with people doing it and keeping to themselves, thats totally fine with me. I'm not one of those people that sees a tranny and gets angry, its neutral, i dont give a shit about them, do your

Its chopping your dick off, then expecting everyone to cater to your weak ass emotions, call you the right word that wont offend you, change the definition of gender, piss in a womans bathroom, change laws and regulations that could have the potential to infringe on my rights, trying to make people act a certain way around you, etc.. its throwing away common sense just to make people feel comfortable, thats fucked.

pretending to change gender is abnormal, people are always going to treat it as abnormal. you're always going to have people that dont like it, its human nature and people not liking other people for being different will never go away, it doesnt just apply to racists and rednecks, it applies to hippies not liking rednecks or businessmen because of their differences just as much.

the more you stand out from the norm, the more attention, positive or negative you're going to get. if you dont like that, blend in with everyone else.

I think we do a fairly good job as is when it comes to integrating trans people into our society without infringing on their rights, yet not infringing on the general populations rights either. but these trans people who expect everyone to bend over backwards for them, read a fucking dictionary on the proper wordage to use around them, and give them special treatment are what I dont like. its like any other group, race, religion, etc.. that want the rest of the world to cater to them. our culture shouldnt mold to them, but they can mold to ours and we can accept them.

Wow. You think it's bending over backwards to treat people with respect? Or are you just looking at the most extreme, brash segment of the movement and painting everyone with that brush because it's easier to disapprove of them that way?

Our culture shouldn't mould to them? Wtf? When our culture moulded to racial integration, was that wrong? How bout now with our culture moulding to gay rights?

Thing is, you aren't any better than them. You were just lucky enough to be born into tge powerful majority. You've done nothing to earn any more respect, and they have done nothing to earn any less. But you seem intent on proving you are the greater, and they are the lesser... Why?

 

[Slush]

I dont have a problem with people doing it and keeping to themselves, thats totally fine with me. I'm not one of those people that sees a tranny and gets angry, its neutral, i dont give a shit about them, do your thing and ill do mine and lets be happy.

Its chopping your dick off, then expecting everyone to cater to your weak ass emotions, call you the right word that wont offend you, change the definition of gender, piss in a womans bathroom, change laws and regulations that could have the potential to infringe on my rights, trying to make people act a certain way around you, etc.. its throwing away common sense just to make people feel comfortable, thats fucked.

pretending to change gender is abnormal, people are always going to treat it as abnormal. you're always going to have people that dont like it, its human nature and people not liking other people for being different will never go away, it doesnt just apply to racists and rednecks, it applies to hippies not liking rednecks or businessmen because of their differences just as much.

the more you stand out from the norm, the more attention, positive or negative you're going to get. if you dont like that, blend in with everyone else.

I think we do a fairly good job as is when it comes to integrating trans people into our society without infringing on their rights, yet not infringing on the general populations rights either. but these trans people who expect everyone to bend over backwards for them, read a fucking dictionary on the proper wordage to use around them, and give them special treatment are what I dont like. its like any other group, race, religion, etc.. that want the rest of the world to cater to them. our culture shouldnt mold to them, but they can mold to ours and we can accept them.

This

 

[californiagrown]

This

Apparently you have forgotten that America is a melting pot of cultures that is forever changing with immigration, and cultural revolutions.

I guess I just don't understand how this issue actually affects you to a point where you activley push back against it? Or are you strictly thinking of the radical fringe of this movement? If a guy dresses up as a girl, chops his dick off and wants you to call her, "she" and let her legally use the women's bathroom, how does that put you out in any way? Trans folks would like nothing more than you to treat em how they appear. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[XtRemE11]

Wow. You think it's bending over backwards to treat people with respect? Or are you just looking at the most extreme, brash segment of the movement and painting everyone with that brush because it's easier to disapprove of them that way?

Our culture shouldn't mould to them? Wtf? When our culture moulded to racial integration, was that wrong? How bout now with our culture moulding to gay rights?

Thing is, you aren't any better than them. You were just lucky enough to be born into tge powerful majority. You've done nothing to earn any more respect, and they have done nothing to earn any less. But you seem intent on proving you are the greater, and they are the lesser... Why?

No, treating someone with respect is treating them like anyone else. which is what i do, I dont put any extra effort into not offending anybody. I'll talk to a tranny just like i talk to anyone else. is that not equality? if i dont use the right words to avoid hurting your feelings its not "disrespect", its your inability cope with any hint of discomfort.

and yes, i am looking more at the extreme segment of the movement, I'm in no way saying all trannys are like that. I never had a problem with anything transexual until this recent bullshit came up. to please these people we'd have to keep up to date with every new trendy word to describe chopping your dick off and wearing a dress, its a ridiculous expectation.

if you've got hairy legs, a beer belly, and a giant adams apple, but chopped your dick off and put on a dress, im not treating you like a woman. its not disrespect, i'm just not delusional, i can see that you're a dude in a dress, i'll treat you like what you are, a dude in a dress.

which is what i mean by our culture not molding to theirs, sure, we can accept a tranny for being a tranny, but when they start expecting to be treated like they're legitimately the opposite sex is where it gets ridiculous, you're literally asking everyone to pretend, for the sake of your feelings.

and yes, the US is a melting pot we accept other cultures coming into ours, but we dont change ours to suit theirs. theres a big difference. you cannot have american culture suit every subculture, race, and religion how they would like us to without shutting out others. that how we can have christianity and homosexuality work in the same culture, we dont mold to either, but we accept both.

 

[californiagrown]

No, treating someone with respect is treating them like anyone else. which is what i do, I dont put any extra effort into not offending anybody. I'll talk to a tranny just like i talk to anyone else. is that not equality? if i dont use the right words to avoid hurting your feelings its not "disrespect", its your inability cope with any hint of discomfort.

and yes, i am looking more at the extreme segment of the movement, I'm in no way saying all trannys are like that. I never had a problem with anything transexual until this recent bullshit came up. to please these people we'd have to keep up to date with every new trendy word to describe chopping your dick off and wearing a dress, its a ridiculous expectation.

if you've got hairy legs, a beer belly, and a giant adams apple, but chopped your dick off and put on a dress, im not treating you like a woman. its not disrespect, i'm just not delusional, i can see that you're a dude in a dress, i'll treat you like what you are, a dude in a dress.

which is what i mean by our culture not molding to theirs, sure, we can accept a tranny for being a tranny, but when they start expecting to be treated like they're legitimately the opposite sex is where it gets ridiculous, you're literally asking everyone to pretend, for the sake of your feelings.

and yes, the US is a melting pot we accept other cultures coming into ours, but we dont change ours to suit theirs. theres a big difference. you cannot have american culture suit every subculture, race, and religion how they would like us to without shutting out others. that how we can have christianity and homosexuality work in the same culture, we dont mold to either, but we accept both.

Haha, you're right we accept both. (Last sentence). Acceptance is exactly what you said you refuse to do when it comes to transgender.

In what real world instance does it hurt you to call a transgender woman, ma'am, and a transgender man, sir? Is it really that tough? Why do you refuse? Is it on moral grounds? Do you also refuse to call folks by their nicknames? Lol. Cause its really the same thing.

I just don't understand your need to go out of your way to hurt someone emotionally. The only thing I can think of, is its toake yourself feel superior.

 

[S.J.W]

I dont have a problem with people doing it and keeping to themselves, thats totally fine with me. I'm not one of those people that sees a tranny and gets angry, its neutral, i dont give a shit about them, do your thing and ill do mine and lets be happy.

Its chopping your dick off, then expecting everyone to cater to your weak ass emotions, call you the right word that wont offend you, change the definition of gender, piss in a womans bathroom, change laws and regulations that could have the potential to infringe on my rights, trying to make people act a certain way around you, etc.. its throwing away common sense just to make people feel comfortable, thats fucked.

pretending to change gender is abnormal, people are always going to treat it as abnormal. you're always going to have people that dont like it, its human nature and people not liking other people for being different will never go away, it doesnt just apply to racists and rednecks, it applies to hippies not liking rednecks or businessmen because of their differences just as much.

the more you stand out from the norm, the more attention, positive or negative you're going to get. if you dont like that, blend in with everyone else.

I think we do a fairly good job as is when it comes to integrating trans people into our society without infringing on their rights, yet not infringing on the general populations rights either. but these trans people who expect everyone to bend over backwards for them, read a fucking dictionary on the proper wordage to use around them, and give them special treatment are what I dont like. its like any other group, race, religion, etc.. that want the rest of the world to cater to them. our culture shouldnt mold to them, but they can mold to ours and we can accept them.

Oh my god, you have to deal with the trauma of calling a he a she, and a she a he. Oh my god, that must be so hard for you! Sorry, it's too hard for you to change one word in your sentence when talking to a trans person. Would you refer to the person below as a he or a she? Obviously a she, so why is it so hard to refer to other trans people as a she? Also does the person below also have to use a male bathroom? That would be kinda weird... considering you know, how she looks. But on the topic of trans in bathroom. Not one trans person has ever been convicted of sexual assault in a bathroom. Not one. Trans in bathroom is a boogeyman political tactic to help win votes of gullible scared idiots. And lastly, no we don't do a good job of integrating trans people into society. High suicide rates show this, same with higher rates of depression. Maybe it's got something to do with the fact that you can still be fired in 32 states for being trans? Maybe it has to do with the way people like you think calling them the desired pro noun is the biggest inconvenience ever. Maybe it's got to do with the fact that people are more concerned with discussing trans people than they are with discussing trans issues.

 

[arnie_grape]

ah right this is the page in the thread where everyone spews out walls of unfiltered uneducated bullshit

 

[XtRemE11]

Haha, you're right we accept both. (Last sentence). Acceptance is exactly what you said you refuse to do when it comes to transgender.

In what real world instance does it hurt you to call a transgender woman, ma'am, and a transgender man, sir? Is it really that tough? Why do you refuse? Is it on moral grounds? Do you also refuse to call folks by their nicknames? Lol. Cause its really the same thing.

I just don't understand your need to go out of your way to hurt someone emotionally. The only thing I can think of, is its toake yourself feel superior.

Because i call men men and women women. I'll pretend when it comes to little kids playing dinosaur or whatever, but not for adults. its not going out of my way to hurt them emotionally. im not going out of my way at all, thats the fucking point. its equality, do you want it or not? going out of my way would be figuring out how to talk and act around them to make them feel comfortable. thats not equality, we dont do that with normal people, if they want to be normal, equal people, dont expect people to go out of the way.

This is whats so ass backwards, they choose to try and resemble someone of the opposite sex, then get butthurt when people arent ultra sensitive with their word choice. the problem starts with their decision to chop the dick off. it is 100% their decision, their doing, and then expect everyone else to then conform.

And i can accept people for being trans, i never said i dont, i wont accept a man as a woman, because thats not what they are.

And i want to be clear that i'm not complaining about trans people in general, the few experiences with them ive had have been fine and they didnt give a shit if i treated them like their actual gender. its the people expecting special treatment that im complaining about.

 

[californiagrown]

Because i call men men and women women. I'll pretend when it comes to little kids playing dinosaur or whatever, but not for adults. its not going out of my way to hurt them emotionally. im not going out of my way at all, thats the fucking point. its equality, do you want it or not? going out of my way would be figuring out how to talk and act around them to make them feel comfortable. thats not equality, we dont do that with normal people, if they want to be normal, equal people, dont expect people to go out of the way.

This is whats so ass backwards, they choose to try and resemble someone of the opposite sex, then get butthurt when people arent ultra sensitive with their word choice. the problem starts with their decision to chop the dick off. it is 100% their decision, their doing, and then expect everyone else to then conform.

And i can accept people for being trans, i never said i dont, i wont accept a man as a woman, because thats not what they are.

And i want to be clear that i'm not complaining about trans people in general, the few experiences with them ive had have been fine and they didnt give a shit if i treated them like their actual gender. its the people expecting special treatment that im complaining about.

Special treatment? Wut? Call someone who very clearly looks like a woman ma'am, and someone who very clearly looks like a man, sir. Pretty common sense.

What special treatment are you talking about?

 

[XtRemE11]

Oh my god, you have to deal with the trauma of calling a he a she, and a she a he. Oh my god, that must be so hard for you! Sorry, it's too hard for you to change one word in your sentence when talking to a trans person. Would you refer to the person below as a he or a she? Obviously a she, so why is it so hard to refer to other trans people as a she? Also does the person below also have to use a male bathroom? That would be kinda weird... considering you know, how she looks. But on the topic of trans in bathroom. Not one trans person has ever been convicted of sexual assault in a bathroom. Not one. Trans in bathroom is a boogeyman political tactic to help win votes of gullible scared idiots. And lastly, no we don't do a good job of integrating trans people into society. High suicide rates show this, same with higher rates of depression. Maybe it's got something to do with the fact that you can still be fired in 32 states for being trans? Maybe it has to do with the way people like you think calling them the desired pro noun is the biggest inconvenience ever. Maybe it's got to do with the fact that people are more concerned with discussing trans people than they are with discussing trans issues.

first of all, how many trannys actually look like that. every one i've seen is nowhere close, maybe i'm just in a bad part of town...

I'm not surprised they have a high rate of suicide and depression, somebody that actually commits and goes through the process of trying to change gender has obviously got some mental shit going on to feel the need to go through that. it probably has a lot more to do with some deep seated mental issues, rather than how people treat them as a tranny. and regardless, i dont condone hate towards them, i do think thats small minded. Not calling a he a she, isnt hate, its acknowledging something for what it is.

I can think and pretend im something im not all i want, but i'll still be my white, male human self, and its ridiculous to expect otherwise.

 

[XtRemE11]

Special treatment? Wut? Call someone who very clearly looks like a woman ma'am, and someone who very clearly looks like a man, sir. Pretty common sense.

What special treatment are you talking about?

if they very clearly look like it, i'll think they're actually are a woman or man, and i'll call them that, and good for them they did a good job. otherwise, if it looks like a dude in a dress, im treating you like a dude in a dress.

 

[S.J.W]

first of all, how many trannys actually look like that. every one i've seen is nowhere close, maybe i'm just in a bad part of town...

I'm not surprised they have a high rate of suicide and depression, somebody that actually commits and goes through the process of trying to change gender has obviously got some mental shit going on to feel the need to go through that. it probably has a lot more to do with some deep seated mental issues, rather than how people treat them as a tranny. and regardless, i dont condone hate towards them, i do think thats small minded. Not calling a he a she, isnt hate, its acknowledging something for what it is.

I can think and pretend im something im not all i want, but i'll still be my white, male human self, and its ridiculous to expect otherwise.

with regards to how trans look, it's a useless discussion because we'd just be throwing out logical fallacies. And maybe trans people do suffer from a mental illness, although (refer to page one in my post and the video) there does seem to be a way the brain is wired which differs in men and woman. But hate towards trans is a very high probability as to why trans have a high suicide rate. It's not rocket science, you just have to look at Ted Cruz and the hateful rhetoric he is spitting against trans. Among with trans being fired for just being trans in 32 states. It's not easy being trans and why would anyone want to enter into that world filled with hate if it's so easy to just remain your current gender?

Lastly with regards to calling a he a she, and visa versa. If I change my name from Eric to John, you would call me John because that's what I wish to be called. So why is it so hard to call a he a she and visa versa? It's not like it's a huge inconvenience, its just basic respect.

 

[californiagrown]

if they very clearly look like it, i'll think they're actually are a woman or man, and i'll call them that, and good for them they did a good job. otherwise, if it looks like a dude in a dress, im treating you like a dude in a dress.

So you are actively making the choice to hurt them and make yourself feel better. You would actually be going out of your way to make a statement that intends to hurt the other person and make you feel "right". You would not be put out in the slightest by calling her ma'am, but you instead choose to take the path of conflict and derision.

Why? Are you always this sensitive about having to " go out of your way"? Lol. You must be one marshmallow soft dude if this is an issue that makes you go too far out of your way lol.

 

[californiagrown]

Not calling a he a she, isnt hate, its acknowledging something for what it is.

I can think and pretend im something im not all i want, but i'll still be my white, male human self, and its ridiculous to expect otherwise.

Do you call people by nicknames? Or do you make sure that you call them by their legal names? Or do you just call them what they prefer to be called... Like a respectful person.

 

[ImNotARacist]

In my social health and diversity class we had a transitioning transgendered person come in and talk about his life. He was born a woman, was always the "weird" one growing up, and was very very unhappy as a woman. He had gone through hormone treatment and was very much a dude.

Before the class I was late and cut off a short mexican dude in order to get to class. The short mexican dude ended up being our speaker.

I was once like you people. Transgendered folks were just mentally ill.

Well that may be the case to a degree, but the problem isnt the transition to another gender, its the unfair pressure of a society with strict gender roles that causes these people to commit suicide.

The unfair judgment present in this thread is all the proof I need.

^^^

Lmao fam whats your take then son

 

[mike759]

gender is a physical trait, not an opinion

 

[arnie_grape]

gender is a physical trait, not an opinion

yeah but so is hair colour and people swap that shit out all the time.

 

[ImNotARacist]

gender is a physical trait, not an opinion

Wrong

Sex is a physical trait.

Sex refers to biological characteristics, while gender is socially determined based on those characteristics.

 

[californiagrown]

gender is a physical trait, not an opinion

You mean sex. In anycase, why do you care? What negative effect on yourself or society does that have?

yeah but so is hair colour and people swap that shit out all the time.

I accidentally quoted you but noticed too late.

 

[Mingg]

You mean sex. In anycase, why do you care? What negative effect on yourself or society does that have?

So does that mean you're transgender up until the point you have surgery which then makes you trans.. sexual?

But at the same time you still aren't changing your genotype so can you still be considered the other sex? Physically you are now(sort of) but not genetically.

 

[ImNotARacist]

 

[californiagrown]

So does that mean you're transgender up until the point you have surgery which then makes you trans.. sexual?

But at the same time you still aren't changing your genotype so can you still be considered the other sex? Physically you are now(sort of) but not genetically.

I fail to see why society should know anything other than your gender? Should it be public knowledge what your genetic code is?

 

[Mingg]

I fail to see why society should know anything other than your gender? Should it be public knowledge what your genetic code is?

I mean I was just asking what the terminology was cause I was curious lol.

 

[.MASSHOLE.]

I just call those with gender identity issues whatever they want, so long as it is a he or she. Don't give me any of this BS ze/xe/ve newly invented pronoun shit.

One thing that does bother me however, is when a transgendered person gets all offended that a person who is straight is not attracted to them.

 

[.Hugo.]

Im just call everyone "it" so i dont have to listen to them get all butt hurt because they identify as a kangaroo or a spoon

 

[ImNotARacist]

Hidden world of the hijras: Inside India's 4,000-year-old transgender community where religious respect doesn't protect them from modern-day discrimination

 

[XtRemE11]

So you are actively making the choice to hurt them and make yourself feel better. You would actually be going out of your way to make a statement that intends to hurt the other person and make you feel "right". You would not be put out in the slightest by calling her ma'am, but you instead choose to take the path of conflict and derision.

Why? Are you always this sensitive about having to " go out of your way"? Lol. You must be one marshmallow soft dude if this is an issue that makes you go too far out of your way lol.

I'm not making the choice to hurt them. thats 100% their problem if calling someone what they are "hurts" them. but there is nothing in me that is intending for that to happen. i'll be myself around people and if they dont like it then so be it. trying to control how people behave based on your emotions is a level of political correctness thats borderline evil.

like i said, the couple times ive talked/been around a trans, i treated them like they were a man, its just what felt right, and they had no problem with it. they obviously looked very much like a man, there was no questioning what their real gender was, to pretend they were a woman would have just felt like i was talking to a child and playing along. It would have felt awkward and more disrespectful, and that probably would have come across as disrespectful as well. and if someone thats obviously just a man in a dress gets "hurt" because i refer to him as a man, well i really dont give a shit, if his emotional strength is that non existent thats not my problem.

trying to control how people behave based on your emotions is a level of political correctness thats borderline evil.

And i'm sensitive about going out of my way because it creates inequality. Its one of the most backwards ways to attempt to create equality by "going out of your way" for someone because of their race or subculture. it has the opposite effect. its singling out someone based on their race, sexual orientation, etc. and treating them as an unequal. just because its convenient for them, makes them comfortable and happy, doesnt mean its equality. equality isnt all comfort and convenience, those are two very separate things.

 

[californiagrown]

I'm not making the choice to hurt them. thats 100% their problem if calling someone what they are "hurts" them. but there is nothing in me that is intending for that to happen. i'll be myself around people and if they dont like it then so be it. trying to control how people behave based on your emotions is a level of political correctness thats borderline evil.

like i said, the couple times ive talked/been around a trans, i treated them like they were a man, its just what felt right, and they had no problem with it. they obviously looked very much like a man, there was no questioning what their real gender was, to pretend they were a woman would have just felt like i was talking to a child and playing along. It would have felt awkward and more disrespectful, and that probably would have come across as disrespectful as well. and if someone thats obviously just a man in a dress gets "hurt" because i refer to him as a man, well i really dont give a shit, if his emotional strength is that non existent thats not my problem.

trying to control how people behave based on your emotions is a level of political correctness thats borderline evil.

And i'm sensitive about going out of my way because it creates inequality. Its one of the most backwards ways to attempt to create equality by "going out of your way" for someone because of their race or subculture. it has the opposite effect. its singling out someone based on their race, sexual orientation, etc. and treating them as an unequal. just because its convenient for them, makes them comfortable and happy, doesnt mean its equality. equality isnt all comfort and convenience, those are two very separate things.

You see someone and think "that chick is totally a guy". You then think " I better make sure to call him a guy even he doesn't dress that way, look that way, act that way, or want to be called that". You think "even though this will hurt the other person, and possibly cause a scene, my sense of social justice is more important".

How is that not going out of your way to be a dick? It's no different than a trans person baiting someone into using a gender specific pronoun and then causing a scene to " educate" them of what they should be called. You're both being twats to make yourselves feel important and superior because your self esteem is so low you must find importance in some bullshit.

You believe in total equality? Do you agree with the ADA act?

 

[J_Christoph]

The sentence "they're all clapping me" is what I'll be remembering from my 5 minutes of boredom

 

[CrotchKiller]

Where do all these trannys hang out? I've never even met one...

 

[CrotchKiller]

Where do all these trannys hang out? I've never even met one...

 

[arnie_grape]

Where do all these trannys hang out? I've never even met one...

public washrooms

 

[californiagrown]

Where do all these trannys hang out? I've never even met one...

Ya don't notice them, ya live in a non liberal area etc. I'd guess that's the case.

I lived for a few years in SF on the border of the Castro and was constantly around folks of all types of minority gender identities and sexualities. Never caused any more issues in my life than being around white bread yuppies here in Seattle now.

 

[Gods_Father]

You see someone and think "that chick is totally a guy". You then think " I better make sure to call him a guy even he doesn't dress that way, look that way, act that way, or want to be called that". You think "even though this will hurt the other person, and possibly cause a scene, my sense of social justice is more important".

How is that not going out of your way to be a dick? It's no different than a trans person baiting someone into using a gender specific pronoun and then causing a scene to " educate" them of what they should be called. You're both being twats to make yourselves feel important and superior because your self esteem is so low you must find importance in some bullshit.

You believe in total equality? Do you agree with the ADA act?

Mistaking a transgender person as he/she is the same as mistaking anyone else for a he/she. you make it sound like it should be illegal to make a mistake. Who gives a fuck if someone's feelings are hurt lol? I had an experience when I had long hair where someone thought I was a girl. I was offended.....who cares? If I see a woman dressed as a man I will most likely still refer to her as a lady since how the fuck am I supposed to know what someone wants to be called lol? Why the fuck would I call her a man? She could just be butch and take offence to being called a man...

 

[S.J.W]

I had an experience when I had long hair where someone thought I was a girl. I was offended.....who cares? I

Obviously you since you got offended at someone calling you a girl for having long hair...

 

[californiagrown]

Mistaking a transgender person as he/she is the same as mistaking anyone else for a he/she. you make it sound like it should be illegal to make a mistake. Who gives a fuck if someone's feelings are hurt lol? I had an experience when I had long hair where someone thought I was a girl. I was offended.....who cares? If I see a woman dressed as a man I will most likely still refer to her as a lady since how the fuck am I supposed to know what someone wants to be called lol? Why the fuck would I call her a man? She could just be butch and take offence to being called a man...

So you were offended by a mistake someone made about your gender, but you are cool with making a statement you know will offend someone in regards to their gender? Wut?

Mistakes happen. No need to get pissy over that. But folks who are trying to make an unsolicited statement about another's gender, not caring one bit when that person is offended are scum. If you have to guess, guess. If you're wrong say a quick "oh sorry", and then continue your question or statement. It ain't hard to be polite lol.

 

[Gods_Father]

So you were offended by a mistake someone made about your gender, but you are cool with making a statement you know will offend someone in regards to their gender? Wut?

Mistakes happen. No need to get pissy over that. But folks who are trying to make an unsolicited statement about another's gender, not caring one bit when that person is offended are scum. If you have to guess, guess. If you're wrong say a quick "oh sorry", and then continue your question or statement. It ain't hard to be polite lol.

Did u even read my post lol? When did I say I make comments that I know will offend someone? I'm saying a lot of the time you have to guess and if I see a woman dressed as a man I'm not calling her a fucking man, that's mental.