Tipping the Barber...
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californiagrown
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13391301:RudyGarmisch said:
I think that beautiful people should get the advantage. all ofther things being equal, they are better examples of our species and should be rewarded.
When i worked certain hourly jobs i would always hook up good looking guys and gals.
safety.third
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13391195:CoreyTrevor said:
it really comes down to this.
californiagrown
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13391719:Microcosm said:
13391788:PoLaRpEaK said:
depends on the area. when i was in SF i would go into the Castro and get a killer cut for like $15. Up here in the seattle suburbs you are gonna pay 2-3 times that for the same quality. quality being the barber knowing how to work with your head and face to make the cut complement it. there is an art to it.
Microcosm
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13391788:PoLaRpEaK said:
Man growing up the first 18 years of my life my dad would cut my hair in the tub. He's a great guy, but no barber. So fuckit if I have the disposable income now to pay for a nice cut from someone who knows their craft I'll do it. She's gotten to know my hair, and imo makes it look bomb. I bounced around cheaper places in college and the cuts ranged from decent to real shitty, with no consistency.
13391816:californiagrown said:
That's crazy, I'd assume SF would be way more expensive based on everything else in that city. I'm not familiar with Seattle prices though.
Definitely agree, depending on your hair shit can get complicated
californiagrown
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13391846:Microcosm said:
Its supply and demand. The Castro is the gay capital of the world so there are a lot of dudes demanding really good haircuts haha. Pro-tip, if you live in a big city, go get your haircut in the gay neighborhood.
Out in the burbs, most dudes are relatively content with mediocre cuts for $15 every 6 weeks.
californiagrown
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13391885:JohnyAssholeseed said:
why would ever go full bald?
Just keep it all trimmed up and the shaft shaved. Its really quick and easy. No one likes stubble.
13392015:pow_pow~ said:
Because we tip for random things and not for others and a bunch of people will post facebook memes and shitty articles if you mention not tipping certain people.
It's lolz.
Choose the price you want to sell something for, then fucking deal with it.
YOLO
NotoriousT.S.E
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13390145:theabortionator said:
Thank you!!!!
shocker611
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I always tip $10 on a $25 haircut. Been going to the guy for a while and he treats me like family now. Always puts in a little extra effort for the cut, offers me beer every time I'm in, and at the end of the day I don't mind spending $35 once in a while to look good. I would rather the extra money I'm spending go to the barber than to the owner, so since I think that $35 is fair for a good cut, I don't mind giving the extra 10 to the barber.
And no, I think tipping is 100% the way to do it. Both waiters and business owners are significantly better off with tipping instead of included gratuity.
And no, I think tipping is 100% the way to do it. Both waiters and business owners are significantly better off with tipping instead of included gratuity.
13392438:shocker611 said:
you are brainwashed, tipping is a way for corporate entities to pass one of their main expenses, wages, onto the consumer. therefore increasing profits. if a business cant afford to pay employees and they have to rely on tips, you need to learn 2 business.
no_steeze
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I can't stand it when places force you to select from 3 incredibly high tip options. I tip 18-20% off the pre-tax subtotal that doesn't include alcohol, since that's what you should tip off, so it's really annoying when places offer you something ridiculous like 20%, 25% or 30% as your options off the final total. I'm not an asshole about tipping, I just don't want to waste my money on shit that is completely unnecessary. I've worked shitty jobs where tips are awesome, and I always try to help other people out, but let it be on my own terms
SKI.ING
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13393182:pow_pow~ said:
I've seen it at some fancy places. Or places that think they're high class. Honestly restaurants prey on our fear of bad karma, and guilt over tipping. That's why they put that recommended tip shit on receipts. Its all a psychological mindfuck. No where else do you see people happily giving away a good chunk of money. Add up all the money that you tip in a week, or month, and it gets pretty crazy. Especially when half the time you don't think they deserved it. If they do, money well spent.
shocker611
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13393084:pow_pow~ said:
Increases in wages would simply increase prices, it's that simple. What tips do, however, is keep some money from going to the government. I would rather small businesses thrive, service employees thrive, and have no difference to consumers, then to have a bunch of money going to the gov.
-benedetto
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13393408:shocker611 said:
That is a great fucking point about taxes.
SKI.ING
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Thinking on it some more, this is why I enjoy Teppanyaki so much at Japanese restaurants. The chef is right there with you, cooking all your food, entertaining you, making sure you have everything you need, and at the end I always give him a cash tip. It goes where I feel it deserves most of the time. Often times service is bad, but the food is good. So for teppanyaki you mostly eliminate that issue.
Banane.
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Well, I have the same barber for almost 20 years now and i'm 22 years old. Bought him a bottle of Hennessy X.O. for christmas after a huge gain at the Casino, gave him a Carey Price Jersey two years ago for his birthday, now every time I'm getting my hair cut I have a glass of my favorite cognac in my hand. I'm still giving i'm 10$ for a 18$ haircut every time I go, which is once every three weeks
cool_name
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13393937:pow_pow~ said:
Really, prices wouldn't increase?
Profits would decrease slightly?
How do you think that is even slightly correct, take 6 waiters, there wage goes from 3 to 9, say they work an average of 7 hours that would be almost 90,000 more dollars the resturant would have to pay it's staff, I think most people would agree that is more than slight decrease in profits
13393996:cool_name said:
staff are part of the business. the business should pay them. every other business has this worked out fine. its just restaurants being greedy.
if prices go up even $1 per dish that would cover servers wages. 10 dishes an hour per server is completely reasonable. then the business is covering the wages and not the fucking customers.
i guess the way i look at it in restaurants, is in a high end fine dining type place tips are a pretty good idea. If I'm paying that much money expecting an awesome meal, i want my server to be motivated to really look after my table. know the menu well, be able to make good suggestions about the food, make sure i get my wine before my food, be attentive but not annoying etc. I think tips can make those things happen, especially seeing how stressed out the servers where i work can get about the smallest mistakes.
but at a taco restaurant where the servers only job is to bring you food, i find tipping to be very questionable.
I can actually think of several occasions where i had my tips turned down at sushi restaurants. I like to tip sushi chefs if i can though, those guys are awesome.
but at a taco restaurant where the servers only job is to bring you food, i find tipping to be very questionable.
I can actually think of several occasions where i had my tips turned down at sushi restaurants. I like to tip sushi chefs if i can though, those guys are awesome.
cool_name
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13394003:250r said:
Well I'm going to presume you are in a restaurant based on post, meaning you most likely are getting tipped out
13394007:pow_pow~ said:
Do you think they would continue to do it if they only made minimum wage with no tips though? I don't know about you, but a dollar or two a drink to not have to deal the kind of staff fast food restaurants have working Friday night is easily worth it
13394008:pow_pow~ said:
So prices will have to go up...
shocker611
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13393937:pow_pow~ said:
So... wait a minute. Profits would decrease "slightly" ("slightly" isn't even close to accurate, the largest expense in small businesses is often labor)and you think businesses are just gonna be like "oh, darnit, my profits are practically zero (or I am now losing money), that's okay, I won't raise my prices". You realize how dumb that sounds right? Of course businesses will raise prices. In turn, you will be paying exactly what you would be with tipping (a 10-20% rise in prices would not be a stretch), and instead of that money going into the hands of waiters/waitresses, a large portion of the money would be going to small business taxes and the government.
I guess it depends, if you just love taxes and love our overly humongous government, then I guess you are right, we should mandate minimum wage for service employees. However, if you like small business, you would support tipping as the standard practice.
cool_name
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13394020:pow_pow~ said:
Well it may help cover the waitstaff, better add on an extra 5% to every bill to be tipped back to the back of house staff as well, oh and about another dollar to be tipped to the bartender, seing that the resturant isn't always operating at full capacity we better increases prices another dollar to cover the times the resturant is empty as well and we aren't making serving enough plates to cover the loss in revenue.
Oh look at that, the meal now costs around 15-25% more than it did before, around the same amount any self respecting person would tip.
SKI.ING
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13394391:cool_name said:
You're almost arguing our point for us now. So we have to tip in order to cover for slow hours that the manager hasn't worked out a proper shift schedule for? Why don't you go tip all the lift operators out in Tahoe? Because of the drought the resorts are empty, some closed, and it's all because you're cheap ass didn't tip them. If you can' afford to tip, don't ski, right? They're there working a weekend, for low wages, so you can ski, better tip. See how it doesn't add up. Like someone said, it's their JOB. A bit hyperbolic, but my point still stands that the restaurant business gets a free pass for some reason, and other services don't.
13393408:shocker611 said:
Because everyone in every restaurant or bar in America is totally paid on the books. No restaurant would ever pay their employees under the table.
And the point is grasping at straws honestly regardless. The money they need to make up to pay them a decent wage would barely increase anything. Maybe business would use it as an excuse to hike prices a bit, but there wouldn't be a NEED to increase prices substantially.
Let's just set a fucking price and let people come in and pay that price. If you want to tip beyond that go for it, but mandatory tipping is useless. The only reasons for supporting it IMO is being cultured into thinking it's the way to go.
shocker611
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13394472:SKI.ING said:
Most services that have a 1-1 employee to customer relationship do have tipping. Like we've been talking about- barbers, valet, servers, drivers, they all supplement income with tipping. It makes sense for those businesses, as performance is highly visible and there is a personal "relationship" developed. You don't have a 1 on 1 service coming from lifties, so that argument makes zero sense. In addition, labor isn't the major cost to a ski resort, and it is a COMPLETELY different business model (practically economies of scale for ski resorts vs diseconomies of scale for restaurants).
Most businesses that rely on these services are extremely low margin businesses, so by having the tipping system, you are keeping prices lower for the services they are offering. If restaurants had to pay full+ labor costs, many would close, and those that did survive would have astronomical prices compared to what we pay today.
shocker611
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13394948:theabortionator said:
You obviously have 0 sense as to the economics of restaurants. Their labor costs would increase 3 or 4-fold, that is HUGE for such a low margin business. Labor is a major contributor to restaurant expense, so saying it would "barely increase anything" is honestly so far off it's barely even worth addressing. Something like a third of restaurant revenue goes straight to their employees already, now imagine that it costs 3x as much for those employees. How can you even think that restaurants wouldn't close/hike prices through the roof?