corona
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richer city actually, if this is a good indicator
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Median_household_income_of_cities_in_Canada
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Median_household_income_of_cities_in_Canada
Tipping the Barber...
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13394968:shocker611 said:
the only 1-1 there is barbers and maybe drivers. valets do dozens of cars all day and are only with you for about 30 seconds. there job is to park and retrieve your car, what are they doing extra that deserves a tip?
servers sure as hell arent 1-1 either. is there 1 server for every customer in a restaurant? no? thats fucking retarded. once again, their job is to serve you. what are they doing extra that deserves a tip?
literally every other business has to pay their employees. why not restaurants? its a joke.
saskskier
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I sucks that restaurants in the states are allowed to pay a different minimum wage for those who receive tips. As far as I know, they can't do that here in Canada (correct me if I'm wrong).
I tip my barber super well. I usually tip pretty generously if I get good service at a restaurants (20-30%), but refuse to tip at all if my service is bad.
I tip my barber super well. I usually tip pretty generously if I get good service at a restaurants (20-30%), but refuse to tip at all if my service is bad.
shocker611
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13394982:pow_pow~ said:
You know I didn't mean literally "1 employee for every 1 customer". I meant that they are doing some sort of service for you specifically, there is some personal interaction, and where performance is highly visible. Valet- they greet you and open doors, run for your car, and hopefully don't wreck it. You can tell if they A. Treated you kindly when you arrived, B. Ran for your car to make your night more enjoyable, C. didn't crash your car along the way. There are 3 highly visible performance indicators that would be the reason why a valet is a tip based job. Either way, all of these services would have WAY higher rates if there was a mandated tip minimum wage and no tipping.
13394978:shocker611 said:
Because every employee in a restaurant is wait staff or a bartender so increasing their wage even 4 times what it is would increase the labor costs by 4 times right?
"hike the prices through the roof" lollerskates.
shocker611
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13395000:theabortionator said:
Alright honestly? What else do you have? Average what, 2-3 cooks on any one night? A dishwasher? And maybe a manager? The large majority of staff are getting tips and/or are being tipped out, meaning that big of a cost hike would ABSOLUTELY have an effect on prices/profitability of businesses. I really don't understand how you can even be arguing that.
I found an article for you that should make it completely obvious that making minimum wage mandatory for service staff would be a huge issue for restaurants and would either lead to significantly higher prices, or closings. 2-6% profit margin for a business is ABSURDLY low. Any cost increase puts a huge strain on that small of margins.
http://yourbusiness.azcentral.com/normal-restaurants-labor-cost-percentage-13115.html
shocker611
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13395021:pow_pow~ said:
Oh.. right. Because you know better than an expansive study by professionals right? Eat a dick. Go drink and drive yourself into a tree.
13395023:shocker611 said:
youre right, i suppose the professionals are right. and ive never been to the usa.
but i have been to probably 15 other countries and guess what??? they can run restaurants fine with paying their employees good rates without tips. wow that might be a hard concept for you to understand but thats what really happens in the real world!!! people get paid by their employer!!!
13395023:shocker611 said:
Ah, to be in middle school again. I hate you mom, I hate you dad, nobody understand me!
shocker611
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13395030:pow_pow~ said:
You do realize that a lot of the countries you are referring to add service charges to bills right? How is that any different than tipping except that it takes the decision out of the hands of the consumer?
shocker611
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13395030:pow_pow~ said:
And, again, it comes back to price increases. That's just like saying "why doesn't the US ban _____, it worked in other countries"! It's a completely flawed argument because it is a completely different economic landscape.
no, they dont add service charges. some fine dining maybe, most people at fine dining tip anyway.
im not even going to bother arguing with you. until you have lived in a country that doesnt tip for more than two weeks you will never understand just how stupid tipping really is.
you have a minimum wage but restaurants are allowed to pay staff under minimum wage? that is so backwards. you really are behind the rest of the world in that respect.
im not even going to bother arguing with you. until you have lived in a country that doesnt tip for more than two weeks you will never understand just how stupid tipping really is.
you have a minimum wage but restaurants are allowed to pay staff under minimum wage? that is so backwards. you really are behind the rest of the world in that respect.
shocker611
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13395057:pow_pow~ said:
I've lived out of the country for more than 2 weeks, both in Europe and in Africa. Maybe you should live in the US for more than 2 weeks so you can understand it better? Kind of a week argument really.
I understand how backwards it looks, however with the economics of many service related industries in the US right now and the prices consumers expect for these services, something would HAVE to give if we standardized minimum wage. There simply isn't any way to get around the fact that profit margins are so low in restaurants. It's not like restaurants aren't trying to maximize profits, so obviously there is something holding profit margins so low in the US. In an ideal world I think you would be right, if prices could remain the same while paying waitors standardized wages, that would obviously be ideal. It just isn't plausible.
13395046:shocker611 said:
So you're suggesting that $ to pay employees should be in a tip not factored into the cost of the food so that the customer can decide, yet if you don't automatically tip 20% at least as an included fee you're a bad person?
Obligatory tipping is dumb but whatevrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Mar-O
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Kind of funny I just got home from getting a hair cut and I wanted to rant about those stupid prices then I see this thread at top. Anyways no I don't tip the barber and I have never even heard of anyone doing it so I don't think its normal in Norway. The prices are already really expensive though so I would think they already get a decent pay. I had to pay $70 for a haircut that took just over 20 minutes 
corona
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13395395:Rusticles said:
why come? Ottawa's economy is dominated by high-tech and federal government jobs and we have the highest percentage of post-secondary degree graduates in the country, a low unemployment rate, and practically no poverty compared to other large cities.
That number of $95,000 probably even includes Gatineau, since their population figure certainly does, and Gatineau is definitely bringing that income down (no hate, just Gatineau is definitely lower income and draws more low income families in the area because of the lower housing costs).
13395423:VinnieF said:
I guess so, didn't realize that Ottawa was so well off, low unemployment really affects that number as well. For as many rich people in Calgary/Edmonton there are also lot's of lower income families as well.
What is the average single family home price? I think Calgary is about $440k.
Also surprised at Vancouver and Toronto being so far down the list. again, it's probably more to do with more in poverty then more rich people.
13395366:p.hawks said:
Soooooooooooo what youre trying to say is you tip 25% ?
iSmokeweed
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13396247:-emile- said:
also if you are getting happy hour, 20 minimum, 22 for actually doing your job, 25+ for going above and beyond
S.J.W
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13396247:-emile- said:
http://www.tripadvisor.ca/Travel-g153339-s606/Canada:Tipping.And.Etiquette.html
razors-chaz
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As somebody from the uk i find the posts in this thread pretty interesting. i dont know if its just me and my perception of tipping in the uk but tipping is generally reserved for restaurants, cafes, few bars and some hotel staff. I have never tipped a barber despite getting great haircuts its just not something that is really done here. as somebody on an alright wage for my age (£20k, 23yo) i would generally tip 10% on a bill unless there was something noticably poor about the service when i would just not tip at all, and would go above 10 if they went beyond what i would consider reasonable service. i have a deep mistrust of tipping when paying by card having been in a job where ive seen tips being added to card bills and never seeing those tips and as such will usually leave any tip as cash on the table. i find tipping culture in the us odd, why would you tip somebody who provided the service you're already paying for badly? other than the guilt that they aren't being paid enough by their employer and otherwise they dont get a livable wage. i find it pretty scandalous that without tips some dont get a living wage. i get peoples areguments about it circumventing taxes for people on low wages but that's what tax brackets are for and in the uk under certain income levels you dont pay any tax (there are arguments for another day about the brackets and min wage compared to living wage) is this type of system not in place in north america?
iSmokeweed
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13396526:pow_pow~ said:
because we make $2 bucks an hour before tips. and all that goes to taxes.
razors-chaz
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13396603:iSmokeweed said:
is there no such thing as a personal allowance in the US? in the uk you pay no tax on any income up to £10k a year.
Anathema
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I've never understood tipping things that don't require any extra work. I get it with servers, because you're personally asking them to do more than just bring you're food back and forth, you're asking for drink refills, condiments, more this, more that, etc. They really "serve" you.
Barbers just cut your hair. And they charge you to cut your hair. Where does the "above and beyond" come in? Same thing with delivery guys. Why the hell am I tipping a pizza delivery man $5 when he's only driving to and from my house?
Barbers just cut your hair. And they charge you to cut your hair. Where does the "above and beyond" come in? Same thing with delivery guys. Why the hell am I tipping a pizza delivery man $5 when he's only driving to and from my house?
iSmokeweed
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13396647:pow_pow~ said:
i mean dont get me wrong, im a kick ass server/bartender. im not worried about the shitty college student who only brings 14 dollars in cash and gets 13.15 in food. i have plenty of poeple that leave $20 on a $50 check. im looking at my YTD report right now and my tip percentage on the year is 22.34. i couldnt give shits about a shitty bartender that just pours drinks and lounges around. when i go out to a bar, i dont mind tipping poorly on bad service because i know the job and i dont like paying people to do something im better at.
im just saying that your tip is who pays the server, not the restaurant. so if you cant afford to tip, go eat mcdonalds or just get take out.
and when my bar is packed (which it is pretty much every night), i know my good tippers and my bad tippers. guess who gets the better service? the only way to get good service is to tip well. it easier at a bar than the dining room because i have many more regulars, but one you tip poorly
SKI.ING
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13396682:iSmokeweed said:
Okay hear me out since you're speaking from personal experience. I'm speaking from California. So say you come over here and we go out to dinner. But before dinner I give you the facts. That all the staff at the restaurant are paid AT LEAST minimum wage, and get tips. And say we receive average to below average service. Will you still tip the same as you would anywhere else knowing what you know now?
And also, I disagree with your last paragraph. That thinking is a vicious cycle. I would be tipping poorly or not at all for bad service. So if you keep giving bad service to a bad tipper, then you'd keep receiving a low tip from them. It shouldn't be regardless of performance you'll receive a good tip. In this case, service first, tip after. I should get good service, and THEN you should get a good tip.
SKI.ING
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13396656:Anathema said:
That is why their job title is "server". Because it is their job to "serve" you and assist with your meal. I mean have you been to a restaurant before rush hour or when they aren't busy? The servers are waiting around for people to serve food to, unless the place hasn't been set up. Literally this confuses me about people, like what else would the server be doing if they weren't doing all the things you listed above?
shocker611
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13397173:SKI.ING said:
This is completely fair. Do you find that people still are tipping 15-20% despite the increase of server minimum wage? It's kind of a frightening thought that many of these people are likely getting paid better for waiting than I am in my internship working towards 2 masters degrees. At what point does it become the "easy way out" to go and earn $20-$40/hour as a server instead of going and getting an education?
Anathema
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13396673:pow_pow~ said:
yeah but a lot is dependent on the person. in any given night, you dont really know what you're going to get. are you going to be shlogging away bringing constant drink refills to a tball team of 20 kids?
for a barber, they don't do anything extra. they don't do anything to personalize the visit. they cut your hair and are done. i dont know, it feels different to me. i would tip someone for doing me a favor. a server fetching things for me seems like a favor. like extra effort. cutting my hair doesn't.
