i dont know, i think people need to get of jon hartmans dick. you cant rock tight pants unless you have ghetto slits, it looks mad ugly when you can see your whole friggin ski boot. racing called, it wants its steeze back. on the other hand when people rock nice fitted pants like the holden and that dude whos on technine and ride wears some nice ones too, that looks sick. you cant bite skateboarding style while showing off your ski boots. it just looks silly. and your style has to be rockkk solid to pull of tight pants, if you have any sort of movement in your tricks at all, its absolutely horrid.