This needs to change in ski design!!!

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Voyage86

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It seems the ski industry is missing this type of ski. A true twin tip that thrashes all mountain and specifically carves great. i’ve made a mock up of a fischer ranger 96 could look like. the top ski shows it unchanged and the bottom shows the modification. (notice the tails)

1090613.jpegthe ski was only altered behind the contact patch. that means it would ski exactly the same while now being almost center mounted with a twin tip. this gives it better float and more back bone on landings, it also evens the weight distribution out making this thing perfect for big spins. by adding 6 cm of tail to the back this is now not only one of the best all mountain skis out there but also a freestyle weapon. this type of ski is a dream ski for me. if you think this type of ski already exists please lmk. otherwise i see no draw backs in adding more tail to skis with a partial twin tip as it wouldn’t change hard pack performance and it makes the ski more versatile. thanks
 
14602993:JalmarKalmar said:
Looks like a Nightstick 97 to me.
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metal laminate, beech wood and 300 grams heavier says otherwise but i am looking at the nightstick, seems to be one of the closest skis to this i can find

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go check out the season nexus its a 104 in a 177 also got a 17m Radius kinda changes per sizing but i be gettin horizontal on it no metal but a nice solid consistent flex??
 
unleashed 98 ? aramada arv96 ti if you can find it. black crows camox. am sure there’s something you can find
 
14603070:powpatrol said:
unleashed 98 ? aramada arv96 ti if you can find it. black crows camox. am sure there’s something you can find
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issue with all of those skis is the recommended mount point. I want something that is meant to be skied in the -0 to -3 range. those all got recs around -7 and i just don’t want to mount at +5
 
14603071:Voyage86 said:
issue with all of those skis is the recommended mount point. I want something that is meant to be skied in the -0 to -3 range. those all got recs around -7 and i just don’t want to mount at +5
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Faction Mana 2?
 
14603068:cmatlin22 said:
go check out the season nexus its a 104 in a 177 also got a 17m Radius kinda changes per sizing but i be gettin horizontal on it no metal but a nice solid consistent flex??
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this has serious potential, thank you
 
14603072:LukeTheWaffle said:
Faction Mana 2?
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rec line is -6 and the new school line is -4 which has potential but i actually have the mana 3, fantastic ski, but i wouldn’t also get the mana 2
 
Carving skis and park skis are fundamentally different in design. That’s why you have to make a sacrifice in an all mountain ski.
 
14603096:officechair said:
Carving skis and park skis are fundamentally different in design. That’s why you have to make a sacrifice in an all mountain ski.
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good thing i don’t want a park ski, i’ve explained exactly what i want and how it could easily be made with zero sacrifices above. take a re read if it helps.
 
14603068:cmatlin22 said:
go check out the season nexus its a 104 in a 177 also got a 17m Radius kinda changes per sizing but i be gettin horizontal on it no metal but a nice solid consistent flex??
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some reviews talk about super catchy edges and not being able to ski it bases flat because it doesn’t track well. would you agree with that?
 
14603101:Voyage86 said:
good thing i don’t want a park ski, i’ve explained exactly what i want and how it could easily be made with zero sacrifices above. take a re read if it helps.
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I know. You want a park ski that skis like a carving ski or vice versa. Adding a little tip would still ski like the flat tail it’s based on. You would just be able to land switch and not spin back around.
 
14603102:Voyage86 said:
some reviews talk about super catchy edges and not being able to ski it bases flat because it doesn’t track well. would you agree with that?
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I did notice them being a little hooky right from the plastic but a little gummi stone to the tips and tails is all it needs, and yeah a little weird to track bases flat if your riding them center but when i had them rec they were fine but these are the kinda skis you are gonna keep on edge a little more demanding than an on3p or something, but still not the most difficult ski at all
 
14603105:officechair said:
I know. You want a park ski that skis like a carving ski or vice versa. Adding a little tip would still ski like the flat tail it’s based on. You would just be able to land switch and not spin back around.
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i want a free ride ski, no rails, just good balance in the air and the feel of a lot of tail behind me on hard landings as well as to make it more playful.
 
Try and find a slightly older park ski when they were made like carving skis with a tail. I found an older pair of atomic punx7 and I love them. They aren't as playful/buttery like the current rocker/tapered offerings but they carve way better with the larger camber. Give em a good detune and let em rip
 
14603105:officechair said:
I know. You want a park ski that skis like a carving ski or vice versa. Adding a little tip would still ski like the flat tail it’s based on. You would just be able to land switch and not spin back around.
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What is the compromise with that?
 
14603165:Voyage86 said:
What is the compromise with that?
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It would just be weird since it's a directional ski and the mount point is somewhat far back (-8 about). So it would become an okay carving ski that wouldn't ski switch as well as something else more intentionally designed to, but also doesn't carve as well as other skis designed to. I think it would be all around middle of the road.
 
14603172:officechair said:
It would just be weird since it's a directional ski and the mount point is somewhat far back (-8 about). So it would become an okay carving ski that wouldn't ski switch as well as something else more intentionally designed to, but also doesn't carve as well as other skis designed to. I think it would be all around middle of the road.
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absolutely nothing about how it skis would change, the only difference is on a part of the ski that is not touching the snow. it would still rip carves just as well. it would ski switch better in that it would get hung up on piles of snow less. the mount would not move at all but because the tail is longer the center of the ski moves back.
 
I would really like a twin tip equivalent to a Fischer Curv GT. I can ski better switch on the curv than anything else but it's dangerous without a twin tip.
 
14603102:Voyage86 said:
some reviews talk about super catchy edges and not being able to ski it bases flat because it doesn’t track well. would you agree with that?
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It's a Pollard ski so your supposed to turn it, but that said I haven't experienced anything like that on my nexus, really fun ski. You can lean it over super hard while still disengaging with ease.

Also "catchy edges" in a review just tells me the reviewer doesn't know how to detune contacts points
 
As someone who owns a pair of nightstick 97s, they are pretty much exactly the ski you are looking for and I can’t recommend them enough
 
I love your ideas and the concept seems well thought out. There are some skis like this on the market. Blackops 98 (now superblackops.) It's a hard charger and can lay an edge, my gripe with it is the swing weight. I think it would benefit greatly from a little more rocker and rossies air tip. Basically I wanna see a narrower sender free 110. (FANTASTIC SKI. I did a dumb and sized down to 184 because my local has tons of tight trees and mogul fields that could swallow a 3rd grader. Would defiantly have a 191 once I get my moola up as well.)
 
14603191:maaattt said:
It's a Pollard ski so your supposed to turn it, but that said I haven't experienced anything like that on my nexus, really fun ski. You can lean it over super hard while still disengaging with ease.

Also "catchy edges" in a review just tells me the reviewer doesn't know how to detune contacts points
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oh man, twig isn’t gana be happy to hear that. his roof box review talked about the catchy edges. i wasn’t to worried about it so it’s reassuring to hear that from you. did you end up detuning the contact points?

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14603233:BallClapper said:
I love your ideas and the concept seems well thought out. There are some skis like this on the market. Blackops 98 (now superblackops.) It's a hard charger and can lay an edge, my gripe with it is the swing weight. I think it would benefit greatly from a little more rocker and rossies air tip. Basically I wanna see a narrower sender free 110. (FANTASTIC SKI. I did a dumb and sized down to 184 because my local has tons of tight trees and mogul fields that could swallow a 3rd grader. Would defiantly have a 191 once I get my moola up as well.)
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thank you man. my issue with most of the skis that would fit the bill of a twin tip that carves great is the rec mount point, black ops 98 has a rec of -7 and im looking for somthing with a rec around -3. I been telling people they need to make a sender free 100. i loved the 110 when I demoed them, such a sick feeling of stiff yet poppy and damp and i could lean into them so hard. and the -3.5 rec mount is exactly what i’m looking for. I would buy a sender 100 or a 95 in a heart beat.
 
I’ve been riding the Fatypus M5 recently and it’s definitely my one ski quiver from now on. Had multiple days this year that started in the park and ended in the back bowls or vice versa. I believe the rec mount point is a lil farther back than what you had in mind but I’ve been riding true center and it’s been turning like a dream forward and switch. Would also suggest looking into the athlete stiffness option for a lil more stiffness with what you’re looking for, the base model is super fun but for someone hard charging the extra stiffness is a game changer.
 
14603250:Voyage86 said:
thank you man. my issue with most of the skis that would fit the bill of a twin tip that carves great is the rec mount point, black ops 98 has a rec of -7 and im looking for somthing with a rec around -3. I been telling people they need to make a sender free 100. i loved the 110 when I demoed them, such a sick feeling of stiff yet poppy and damp and i could lean into them so hard. and the -3.5 rec mount is exactly what i’m looking for. I would buy a sender 100 or a 95 in a heart beat.
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102 coming for next season
 
14603251:Ranchculture said:
I’ve been riding the Fatypus M5 recently and it’s definitely my one ski quiver from now on. Had multiple days this year that started in the park and ended in the back bowls or vice versa. I believe the rec mount point is a lil farther back than what you had in mind but I’ve been riding true center and it’s been turning like a dream forward and switch. Would also suggest looking into the athlete stiffness option for a lil more stiffness with what you’re looking for, the base model is super fun but for someone hard charging the extra stiffness is a game changer.
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This & ON3P Jeffery (or Kartel)

Kartels rec mount is -4 and it feels damn central.
 
14603250:Voyage86 said:
thank you man. my issue with most of the skis that would fit the bill of a twin tip that carves great is the rec mount point, black ops 98 has a rec of -7 and im looking for somthing with a rec around -3. I been telling people they need to make a sender free 100. i loved the 110 when I demoed them, such a sick feeling of stiff yet poppy and damp and i could lean into them so hard. and the -3.5 rec mount is exactly what i’m looking for. I would buy a sender 100 or a 95 in a heart beat.
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Whats great about the Blackops 98 is that it rides great -2. To me, recommended is merely a suggestion. Can't remember the last time I mounted a freestyle ski recommended.
 
14603250:Voyage86 said:
thank you man. my issue with most of the skis that would fit the bill of a twin tip that carves great is the rec mount point, black ops 98 has a rec of -7 and im looking for somthing with a rec around -3. I been telling people they need to make a sender free 100. i loved the 110 when I demoed them, such a sick feeling of stiff yet poppy and damp and i could lean into them so hard. and the -3.5 rec mount is exactly what i’m looking for. I would buy a sender 100 or a 95 in a heart beat.
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Sender Free 100 on the way for FW25
 
14603281:BallClapper said:
Whats great about the Blackops 98 is that it rides great -2. To me, recommended is merely a suggestion. Can't remember the last time I mounted a freestyle ski recommended.
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i fully agree and rarely mount at recommended, actually i don’t have a single ski in my quiver mounted at rec but i just don’t think it needs to be that way. i think all mountain skis should be designed with a more forward mount point because it’s more fun. but for my next ski here i just want something that i can ski where it’s meant to be skied
 
14603071:Voyage86 said:
issue with all of those skis is the recommended mount point. I want something that is meant to be skied in the -0 to -3 range. those all got recs around -7 and i just don’t want to mount at +5
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Rossi BlackOps 98. I know you said something about metal laminate before, but just try the ski

edit: You can mount the BO98 at -3, idk if they changed the mount lines of the newer graphic, but my "Holyshred" graphics have 3 mount lines, one is at -3 from center, that's where I have them mounted and they rip all over.

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14603330:Substitute said:
Rossi BlackOps 98. I know you said something about metal laminate before, but just try the ski

edit: You can mount the BO98 at -3, idk if they changed the mount lines of the newer graphic, but my "Holyshred" graphics have 3 mount lines, one is at -3 from center, that's where I have them mounted and they rip all over.

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i’m gana give them a demo but however irrational it is I really want a ski that was built to be skied near center rather than pushing the mount up to the progressive rec like on the BO98
 
I've been on Harvest Root Down 100s this season, maybe a touch softer than what you're looking for but they rail turns. I got them as a park ski but ended up doing a lot of freeridey stuff on them and I've been pleasantly surprised. The 187 also measures like 189 so thats cool.
 
14603286:tdollo said:
Sender Free 100 on the way for FW25
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Photos? Is it currently disguised as something else. I know about the sender soul. Convinced a local shop to get a demo shipped to them so I could ride it early.
 
14603360:Hometownerz said:
I've been on Harvest Root Down 100s this season, maybe a touch softer than what you're looking for but they rail turns. I got them as a park ski but ended up doing a lot of freeridey stuff on them and I've been pleasantly surprised. The 187 also measures like 189 so thats cool.
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howly, not exactly what i’m looking for but intriguing because they are basically giving them away, 290$ is a steal for that.
 
14603362:BallClapper said:
Photos? Is it currently disguised as something else. I know about the sender soul. Convinced a local shop to get a demo shipped to them so I could ride it early.
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Sender Free and Sender Soul are different lines
 
14603242:Voyage86 said:
oh man, twig isn’t gana be happy to hear that. his roof box review talked about the catchy edges. i wasn’t to worried about it so it’s reassuring to hear that from you. did you end up detuning the contact points?

**This post was edited on Apr 4th 2024 at 11:35:54am
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I didn't feel the need to detune at all actually. I generally leave my skis full sharp unless it's a pair that I know for a fact I'll be rail sliding on
 
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