This needs to change in ski design!!!

Unleashed has less rocker and not as burly even though it has 1 sheet of metal

14603492:ultimatejerry said:
Got the 2.0s, best skis ive had!

Is the Unleashed 98 kinda similar? been looking at them cause cant get new 2.0s
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14603483:JalmarKalmar said:
Rossignol needs to fire the guy who is in charge of naming their shit.
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Fr. it's annoying cuz half their freeride models have "sender" and "free." In any other ski company it would be different names for different familes of skis.
 
14603102:Voyage86 said:
some reviews talk about super catchy edges and not being able to ski it bases flat because it doesn’t track well. would you agree with that?
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You won’t want to hear this, but how is the ski you want to make any different than a black ops 98? Parker and Logan nailed the design of that ski.
 
14603241:Voyage86 said:
recommended mount point is -7
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Progressive is -3, recommended is -5, directional is -7

also, you need to look at the length and center of the side cut, not the ski.
 
14603356:Voyage86 said:
i’m gana give them a demo but however irrational it is I really want a ski that was built to be skied near center rather than pushing the mount up to the progressive rec like on the BO98
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You’re saying you want something specific to you. Companies can’t make skis that are specific to want YOU want. That’s why they have athlete input, designers, testers, validators, etc. I think there is more that goes into ski design than you’re looking at.
 
Breaking news- NS users too young to buy their own Zyns revolutionize decades of ski design. “Why didn’t we think of this before” says every ski designer
 
14603832:Benchhitter said:
Breaking news- NS users too young to buy their own Zyns revolutionize decades of ski design. “Why didn’t we think of this before” says every ski designer
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but it has been done many times before, just not specifically the way i’m looking for. there are carving skis with a freestyle intent but almost all of them are softer than what i want, think mirus cor and season kin. i just want an all mountain ripping version of skis like that. and I can in fact legally buy zyns bud
 
14603798:sicbith said:
You’re saying you want something specific to you. Companies can’t make skis that are specific to want YOU want. That’s why they have athlete input, designers, testers, validators, etc. I think there is more that goes into ski design than you’re looking at.
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such a stupid thing to say on every level. exactly right that it’s what I want, same as you wishing your car had a certain feature or a ski came in a longer size. are you just gana except that it’s not right for you or are you gana wish it was different?
 
14603856:Voyage86 said:
such a stupid thing to say on every level. exactly right that it’s what I want, same as you wishing your car had a certain feature or a ski came in a longer size. are you just gana except that it’s not right for you or are you gana wish it was different?
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Nah, I’m gonna buy a bo98 and go skiing.
 
14603798:sicbith said:
You’re saying you want something specific to you. Companies can’t make skis that are specific to want YOU want. That’s why they have athlete input, designers, testers, validators, etc. I think there is more that goes into ski design than you’re looking at.
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Unfortunately many big brands need to make skis for the average dweeb.
 
14603982:BallClapper said:
Unfortunately many big brands need to make skis for the average dweeb.
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Lil'bit but, that's why they make 20+ different models, to cover most of those skiers.
 
14603856:Voyage86 said:
such a stupid thing to say on every level. exactly right that it’s what I want, same as you wishing your car had a certain feature or a ski came in a longer size. are you just gana except that it’s not right for you or are you gana wish it was different?
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Genuinely curious. Why do you think no ski company is doing what you’re asking for? And I don’t mean you personally but why aren’t they building the exact ski you want? In all these years? Over all these designs? Could it be because the design itself just doesn’t work?
 
14604002:PartyBullshiit said:
Genuinely curious. Why do you think no ski company is doing what you’re asking for? And I don’t mean you personally but why aren’t they building the exact ski you want? In all these years? Over all these designs? Could it be because the design itself just doesn’t work?
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this ski basically does exist, the season nexus is pretty much it but it’s alittle wider than what i’m looking for although i still will probably end up getting it. but past that the concept behind this ski has been executed for sure, the mirus cor and the season kin are the prime examples i can think of but both of those ski are way more tilted in the freestyle direction than i’m looking for. just add some metal and a stiffer, denser core to either of those skis and dial back the turn radius by a couple meters so they are more stable at speed and boom, that’s my ski. just take one look at my mock up at the top of this thread and it should be obvious to you that this idea would work 100%, literally just add a tail to an all mountain ripper, that’s all i want.
 
14604005:Voyage86 said:
this ski basically does exist, the season nexus is pretty much it but it’s alittle wider than what i’m looking for although i still will probably end up getting it. but past that the concept behind this ski has been executed for sure, the mirus cor and the season kin are the prime examples i can think of but both of those ski are way more tilted in the freestyle direction than i’m looking for. just add some metal and a stiffer, denser core to either of those skis and dial back the turn radius by a couple meters so they are more stable at speed and boom, that’s my ski. just take one look at my mock up at the top of this thread and it should be obvious to you that this idea would work 100%, literally just add a tail to an all mountain ripper, that’s all i want.
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So again. Back to my question. Why doesn’t this ski already exists. You just named a bunch of skis and said it’s the same then contradicted yourself by explaining why they are not what you want. So not the same.

so what do you know that the ski manufacturers don’t?
 
14604010:PartyBullshiit said:
So again. Back to my question. Why doesn’t this ski already exists. You just named a bunch of skis and said it’s the same then contradicted yourself by explaining why they are not what you want. So not the same.

so what do you know that the ski manufacturers don’t?
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I didn’t contradict anything, i explained that the concept already exists and then i explained how simple it would be to get exactly what i’m looking for by slightly modifying existing skis. that’s not a contradiction. my best answer for why it doesn’t exists is because brands don’t have the balls to make it, they easily could, and as i have said, a hand full of brands are minor tweaks away from doing it.
 
14604024:Voyage86 said:
I didn’t contradict anything, i explained that the concept already exists and then i explained how simple it would be to get exactly what i’m looking for by slightly modifying existing skis. that’s not a contradiction. my best answer for why it doesn’t exists is because brands don’t have the balls to make it, they easily could, and as i have said, a hand full of brands are minor tweaks away from doing it.
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Again…..you don’t know much about ski design, construction, or production. “Minor tweaks” you can’t just add a little of this or a little of that without making big changes in balance. Modifying existing skis=new molds=more $$$. They want to stay in business right? You don’t want to pay $1500 for a pair of skis right?? Don’t have the “balls” to make it? Business 101, If there is $$ to be in the category, they’ll make the ski.

Brands can, and have made your skis. They just have not made it past prototyping cause they can’t get them to ski well, and there is not enough demand in the market for them.

Your idea is great, keep searching for it. Who knows what is going to come out next year.
 
14604029:sicbith said:
Again…..you don’t know much about ski design, construction, or production. “Minor tweaks” you can’t just add a little of this or a little of that without making big changes in balance. Modifying existing skis=new molds=more $$$. They want to stay in business right? You don’t want to pay $1500 for a pair of skis right?? Don’t have the “balls” to make it? Business 101, If there is $$ to be in the category, they’ll make the ski.

Brands can, and have made your skis. They just have not made it past prototyping cause they can’t get them to ski well, and there is not enough demand in the market for them.

Your idea is great, keep searching for it. Who knows what is going to come out next year.
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by minor tweaks i mean the same shape with different core construction, we know adding a stiffer or softer core to the same shape works because companies offer those modifications, ON3P offers a stiffer core on the mango and jeffry and another brand, (maybe it’s fatypus? not sure) offers a pro stiffness for an existing ski and all those ski great. It really is that simple to build the same ski with a different core. it just isn’t that deep. and again my thought is that we would just take an existing all mountain ski and add more tail to it behind the contact patch so it won’t affect how it skis at all. take a look at the mock up at the top of this thread again. and thanks for the props, im glad we’re keeping this respectful, percs should take notes.

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14604035:Voyage86 said:
by minor tweaks i mean the same shape with different core construction, we know adding a stiffer or softer core to the same shape works because companies offer those modifications, ON3P offers a stiffer core on the mango and jeffry and another brand, (maybe it’s fatypus? not sure) offers a pro stiffness for an existing ski and all those ski great. It really is that simple to build the same ski with a different core. it just isn’t that deep. and again my thought is that we would just take an existing all mountain ski and add more tail to it behind the contact patch so it won’t affect how it skis at all. take a look at the mock up at the top of this thread again. and thanks for the props, im glad we’re keeping this respectful, percs should take notes.

**This post was edited on Apr 7th 2024 at 3:08:42pm
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Add more tail behind "contact patch" changes how the ski feels on edge, changes weight, thus balance, need to address how to add the tail without if breaking, it really is not that simple to do it right, and you don't seem to believe it so...go build some skis and find out.

I'm not sure what ON3P does to offer a stiffer core(?). If it changes the thickness of the ski it means it most likely is small batch skis they can make in prototype molds or a different mold from the standard flex ski? You should ask them how they do it.
 
14604039:sicbith said:
Add more tail behind "contact patch" changes how the ski feels on edge, changes weight, thus balance, need to address how to add the tail without if breaking, it really is not that simple to do it right, and you don't seem to believe it so...go build some skis and find out.

I'm not sure what ON3P does to offer a stiffer core(?). If it changes the thickness of the ski it means it most likely is small batch skis they can make in prototype molds or a different mold from the standard flex ski? You should ask them how they do it.
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what about adding more tail behind the contact patch makes it feel different on edge. most of it would just be fiber glass. but ya ON3P uses a thicker core for their stiffer layup

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14604040:Voyage86 said:
what about adding more tail behind the contact patch makes it feel different on edge. most of it would just be fiber glass. but ya ON3P uses a thicker core for their stiffer layup

**This post was edited on Apr 7th 2024 at 3:32:58pm
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last one......sidecuts are progressive, when you tip the ski on edge and bend it, you know to "carve", the effective edge length gets longer, there need to be some strength to support that. Also, "just fiberglass" can break when you land on your head, which I'm guessing you have, so it needs to be engineered (strong enough) to take a certain amount of force or it will break. You and your buddies will then claim the ski breaks and it is a shit design. Full circle bub.
 
14604056:sicbith said:
last one......sidecuts are progressive, when you tip the ski on edge and bend it, you know to "carve", the effective edge length gets longer, there need to be some strength to support that. Also, "just fiberglass" can break when you land on your head, which I'm guessing you have, so it needs to be engineered (strong enough) to take a certain amount of force or it will break. You and your buddies will then claim the ski breaks and it is a shit design. Full circle bub.
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the tail wouldn’t follow the side cut, it would taper to straight at the spot where the manufacturer intended for the tail to end. it wouldn’t touch the snow at all in a carve
 
14604005:Voyage86 said:
this ski basically does exist, the season nexus is pretty much it but it’s alittle wider than what i’m looking for although i still will probably end up getting it. but past that the concept behind this ski has been executed for sure, the mirus cor and the season kin are the prime examples i can think of but both of those ski are way more tilted in the freestyle direction than i’m looking for. just add some metal and a stiffer, denser core to either of those skis and dial back the turn radius by a couple meters so they are more stable at speed and boom, that’s my ski. just take one look at my mock up at the top of this thread and it should be obvious to you that this idea would work 100%, literally just add a tail to an all mountain ripper, that’s all i want.
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Stiff, freestyle, all mountain, carving ski? Koala 103 is exactly what you're describing, they fucking rip.
 
Does our Alparka fit what you want? It seems like it might. It’s similar to the Mirus in width but a longer radius, and a bit stiffer in the tip and tail making it better at high speed.
 
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