This has got to be the dumbest shit ever...

i read the first paragraph and stopped reading cus its tthe worst idea ever just like the basically legalized those pot shops in cali.
 
are you kidding me...its a great idea. they've had it in vancouver for years and im sure it has prevented many people from dieing. Now hear me out i bet that sounded really dumb but think about it. diseases spread alot faster when you are using used needles and doing too much. People are going to do drugs such as heroine if theres a safe place to do it or not. Having a place like that to do it is only preventing people from sharing used needles and preventing spreading of diseases and overdoses. Its not stupid.
 
i was actually really depending on not having a place like this so natural selection could occur and the stupid could weed themselves out. BUT NO! we give them free needles and coffee. let them fend for themselves on the street.
 
this is actually a good idea, and its something countries like holland have been doing for years. in some countries they look at drug addictions as a health issue and not as much a criminal issue, these clinics can help people wane their addictions, and do so with clean needles.
 
Yeah that's actually a good idea. I don't think making injection clinics will encourage people to take more heroin more frequently. This will probably reduce many health problems and decrease the number of deaths. Also, having clinics will help the monitoring all those heroin/crack/etc. addicts. They already have centers like that in Vancouver and I'm pretty sure there's one like that in Montreal.
 
Anyone doing heroin is a stupid fuck that has no value to society or anybody around them and needs to die anyway. Facilities like this will only make doing heroin more acceptable to the public, and turn more people into brain-dead drug addicts.
 
fuckin tool.

ray charles was addicted to heroin for 20 years, and he's like the 12th best artist of all time or something. what a fucking retarded generalization.

and i'm just gonna go out on a limb and say that it's going to take ALOT more than this for heroin to become acceptable to the public. I remember reading something about this organization that set up booths in nightclubs and they would test peoples' ecstasy for them to make sure it wasn't like arsenic or something, and then they would give the pills back to the people. this is basically the same argument.

so instead of all the junkies shooting up in public, often in PLAIN SIGHT OF NORMAL PEOPLE, they go to a room at a clinic where theres people to make sure they aren't getting sick, not to mention people that can try to convince them to stop doing drugs. what is wrong with this?
 
Ray Charles is one addict out of a million that managed to make something decent out of his life. But your right, rehab is definitely better than doing nothing at all.

You need to read my post, because I said it would make it MORE acceptable, Its retarded to think that heroin will ever be acceptable to the American public. As for the ecstasy thing, let me just tell you. I know people that have done/do ecstasy, and I know people that have done done/do heroin, and it is very different.

And if people are going there to shoot up, I don't think that they are going to be convinced to go to rehab. But then again, I have absolutely no idea, and neither do you.
 
until you get knifed for crack money but i guess this solution doesnt really help that we should just kill them all
 
LOL you do know many musicians and artists are/were drug addicts right? a lot more than just ray
 
heroin?

I know alot of them do coke and shit, but its just heroin and meth that I cant stand.
 
The SIS has actually been a huge boon for the downtown east side in Vancouver. It hasn't miraculously solved all the street-drug problems but it has saved lives by offering a medical facility equipped to deal with issues that will naturally arise from habitual drug use. So I'm going to say it's a good thing.
 
I agree. People don't entirely seem to realize that the majority of drug addicts would quit if they could. They're slaves to their drugs; the life of a drug addict is unpleasant, unhealthy and completely undesirable. Regardless of the drug you can't simply generalize and make an assumption about all addicts. The ones we know about are the ones we see, the bums on the street and homeless but we're far less cognissant of the ones we don't think about, the working class addicts, the ones with jobs and in many cases families. Addiction, be it to heroin meth cocaine or anything is such an overwhelming force that its almost superhuman to overcome it without proper medical and psychological therapy, not to mention the chance of relapse is much greater. Having the sites such as these allows professionals to supervise, care for, and keep track of the addicts. I dont know everything about them, but I can imagine, that its much more then nurses simply allowing them to shoot up in a sterile environment. By supervising the process, the doctors can talk to the addicts, find out more about them and how they became addicted and in many cases extend the offer to help them with their problem. Mind you its probably far more difficult in The U.S. where healthcare is privatized but in Canada and many European nations, the help is there, and safe injection sites like this one are a positive first step in combating drug addiction.
 
dude, you're pretty close-minded

that's like saying cancer patients should just be left to die. addiction is a disease and you think just letting them die rather than helping them is a good idea?

think before you post you sick fuck
 
WOW. Maybe read the whole article before forming an opinion?

'Drug overdoses represented about one of every seven emergency calls handled by city paramedics between July 2006 and July 2007, according to San Francisco Fire Department Capt. Niels Tangherlini. "

There is ONE MAJOR social benifit if saving their lives dosnt do it for you.
 
im definitely giving you a karma bump for making this thread and the "what ever happened to social responsibility" thread

you must not be a democrat
 
drug addicts are going to take their drugs no matter what, so if less of them die doing what they do anyway, why is that the fumbest shit ever?
 
drug addicts are just people that have made mistakes, if you were in their situation (living on the street begging/stealing money for your next hit because you NEED, not want, to) then you would want a place that you could go to get clean needles and medical attention too.
 
There is a difference between social responsibility and pure stupidity.

I can't see how giving clean needles to drug addicts is socially responsible.
 
true

but in most cases every last one of hte drug addicts knew that the second they shot up they were likely to be throwing away their lives
 
they should only be allowed to use these facilities if they make an effort to get into a program.

if they just go there to shoot-up then leave when they are finished then i can't support it.

 
wrong. that is a general misconception of alot of people because they have been seeing these dont do drug programs which may not have been in affect during the time the addicts started abusing. Also most people do not believe that they will get hooked there first time and generally they dont. they try it a few times and then it starts to get to them. they didnt want to throw away their lives.
 
but am i right the smart way, and the way youre guaranteed you wont throw away your life to drugs is to just simply NOT do drugs?
 
eh, yeah.

nothing surprises me anymore after they started those needle exchange programs, where you can go turn in your dirty needles for clean ones.
 
i cant believe this is news to some people...

this is something that has been a big discussion in the war on drugs for a long time...

and its a good idea not a bad one.... look at the statistics... its already proven benificial...

its a much better way to fight these hard drugs...
 
they have these in other countries.  its not a bad thing.. would you rather have crack heads and heroin addicts roaming around on the streets doin that shit?
 
haha only in cali

i got a ex test kit at some drug awarness class i had to go to , they rather u buy the real shit than it be mixed with messed up drugs that will kill u i guess. and yes it does work
 
my dad put it to me this way...it would be cheaper for the city to help these guys do this cleanly than to wait till they get AIDS and the hospitals have to treat them...or something like that, basically, san fran already had stuff towards this and this is just pushing it a little bit farther...
 
No not only in Cali. They've been operating in Vancouver for 4 years and like the post above me reads, with initially positive results.

Regardless of the healthcare system I beleive it to be beneficial. If you think about it it allows the addicts to consult with a trained physician and hear the practical information they should be hearing straight from the horse's mouth rather then relying on the information freom general discourse, which is to say what they know or hear from other people or by their own experiances. In Canada where waiting lines and priority treatment are the problems it gives these addicts the medium to reach out. Similarily in The U.S. where healthcare is privatized it allows the same thing.

To call this a bad idea makes no sense to me. Addicts are people like you and me. You can view them two ways: either as a burden on society in which case the safe injection sites keeps them out of the emergency ward, or you can view them like I prefer to, as patients who require and should be extended, the same level of attention as the rest of society.
 
And also, do you really think something like dying on the streets is going to deter a heroin addict? Nothing can change their minds...and I don't think that people would want to randomly start doing heroin just because there is a nice place to do it now.
 
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