oh and i forgot, those reflective materials they put on older jackets, and lots of seams, lots of seams really sucks especially if its black with white stitching , it gets kind of annoying, denim with orange is alright, as long as there isn't too many stitches showing, like all over the place for no reason whcih bring me to my next point, stitching where it is not needed, i.e. stitches for design, it looks stupid
oh and, some color schemes on some jackets ruin skiing
snowboard/skate companies still make the best outerwear
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