THERMITE WTC 9/11

That's fucking hilarious.. While I haven't read the report, based on the introduction I wouldn't put it much past a last-minute high school assignment. I hope they correctly referenced Wikipedia
 
You bring up a very good point that I believe nobody has ever thought of before. I'm not a huge Bush fan but i don't believe he was a horrible president...

but for him, or anybody in our administration to pull of something that big would have leaked to the public by now. dont people think that MSNBC or CNN would have been leaked this information to rip into bush if he planed 9/11? At the end of his term, the media absolutely despised the Bush.

if the media over and over again feeds you lies with confidence you start to believe those lies.

i realize that can go for both sides as well. to actually believe That Bush pulled off the biggest scheme in the countries history and get away with it boggles my mind.

I don't know anything about Thermite and nobody else on this site does (unless explosives is your major and you work in a lab everyday) so this argument is relevant to NS.
 
gah i hate this talk about free fall speed and collapsing into its own "footprint" because neither one is true. none of those building did that. they all caused massive damage to the surrounding areas and if you watch any video thats not in a conspiracy video, youll see that. its really not worth arguing with people that aren't willing to open up their minds. you think you are, but in reality you are only watching and believing what you want to. its really a dumb way to go about life. but anyways, the 7 building not only had a good chunk of its base missing which in any building design class would tell you that a structure really needs its whole base to stay up. also read the official report and its short on 7 but tells of how much more damage the building took on the inside. add that to the building design and a little more research (which you can't find on youtube- sorry!), and you got collapse. its common sense that when a building gains enough damage, it will fall down... especially if two massive ones fell down right next to it. but this is where you cant be convinced because you'd rather believe youtube videos that only LOOK at other youtube videos and come to crazy answers, than an official report because it comes from *GASP!* the government!!! kind of leaves you dead in the water doesn't it? no im not brainwashed by the government, im just not retarded. feel like im trying to teach a class of jackasses that 2+2 doesnt equal 5.
 
If any of you morons still believe in these bull shit conspiracies go watch south park season 10 The mystery of the urinal duece. Since apparently you choose to ignore real scientific evidence and substitute your own.
 
i fully agree with you. Opening your mind means looking at both sides, but most people who believe the conspiracy seem to think it means "don't listen to the government because they are always wrong"

What a lot of people tend to not realize is this simple fact...no building is built to withstand a fully fueled passenger aircraft flying directly into it going at almost maximum speed. And i know one of the big things is that the fuel didn't burn hot enough to effectively go through the steel etc, but again, most theorists leave out the fact that in these buildings, the steel doesn't have to be completely gone. All that has to be done is warping. The metal gets warped, the weight of the upper floors is now pushing directly down on ineffective steel, and so it bends more, eventually leading to a collapse, straight down.

I don't doubt that the US government is doing stuff behind our backs, i just don't think it would be anything like this. What would be the point? To attack iraq? All they needed to/did say was that iraq had weapons of mass destruction, people didn't believe them, but they still went in anyways. At what point does attacking the life center of our very own military as well as other buildings come into play? If they wanted to go to war, they were going to go to war.

And i still stand by this simple statement: if it was a conspiracy, why is anyone who perpetuates the rumour that the government did it, still alive? If They killed almost 3,000 people for no reason, why wouldn't they kill a few more?
 
nah, he was in florida reading to school children when he heard about it. Then he spent the rest of the day flying around in Air Force one until they had figured out what was going on
 
idiots! and bush also cause hurrican katrina to hit the poor parts of new orleans. wow i cant beleive how stupid you kids are!
 
anyone who doubts that 9/11 is a conspiracy should watch Farenheit 9/11. it brings forth some interesting points. believe what you want about Michael Moore, but this movie is verrrryyyy interesting.

I find everything that bush did before and after 9/11 to be major sketchy. personally, i believe that it was a conspiracy because there are people in high places at work here. bush was just a puppet.

 
i agree Farenheit 9/11 is a good moive, ill concede that. but i went through a documentary films class (like how to make one) and there are SO MANY ways to twist facts, and cut things to make people you interview say things that they dont actually want to say. im not trying to start a fight over michael moor cause that is a whole other discussion i just wanted to point that out.
 
Again, read my post and tell me WHO is at work here. I have heard "neo-cons" "people in high places" "government secret officials" WHO WHO WHO? Stop using terms that define a group of people without giving specifics. This is what makes conspiracys so effective, they generalize broad assumptions. I am a pretty open minded person but have yet to hear a good argument politically why this would happen.
 
if we all knew who they were, they would either be:

A. In Jail

or

B. Dead

nobody knows all the shit that goes on behind the scenes. you have to be pretty ignorant to say that these people don't exist because you dont know who they are.
 
oh for fucks sake. anyone can find anything on the internet. that goes both ways. now everyone shut the fuck up
 
First of all, I find it hilarious you put my karma to 0 because you disagree with me.

Second off, you are arguing the same thing that highly religious people say to scientists. No proof of anyone or documents, etc. Just assumption. Assumption is great, but only when fact is with it. There is no fact, nobody has the finger pointed at them. What you have to remember is the mysterious government is an ELECTED body. This means that there is a temporary position available to all of the people who would be the brains behind this besides a very select few who are highly criticized for the most part anyway. While there are lobbyists and legacy politicians influenced by extreme protectionists, the likelyhood that they could pull of extravagance of this magnitude is pretty unlikely.

Step outside your own head for a second and look at what I am throwing out there. I am not saying it is impossible for this to happen, but I am saying I can't be convinced until there is a legitimate blame towards a certain named individuals. It's quite simple really,

I think that you are being the ignorant one for assuming blindly that there is something, while I am providing facts and historical evidence of my case. You are simply saying we don't know because they are mysterious.
 
acutally, i didn't put your karma to 0. i havent even touched it.

yes, i realize that the government is elected, but there are definitely things going on that have been going on for countless administrations. for all we know, area 51 might actually be hiding aliens or something of that nature. and I am no American politics expert, but i'm pretty sure that there are some positions in the american government with some power that don't require the vote of the people. dont quote me on that though.

i'm not saying that you are wrong, we just have different opinions. you're arguments against the matter are completely valid. for all we know, you could be right or I could be right. i'm just stating my position on the whole conspiracy issue.

and i didnt call you ignorant, i was just saying that in general, if you don't believe in the possibility that this could be going on, you'd have to be pretty ignorant.
 
do you all remember why they thought it was an inside job in the first place?

The first conspiracy to surface was Bush was greedy and wanted all the gold bricks stored in the vaults of the World Trade Centers. When they accounted for all the gold bricks the conspiracy stopped. These theories only last until the facts start to surface.

Or the other reason, to go to war? are you serious. We did not need this as an excuse to go to war with Afghanistan.
 
"but i'm pretty sure that there are some positions in the american government with some power that don't require the vote of the people. dont quote me on that though."

You are right about that, I meant that when I said very few are not elected but appointed officials. Like I said I realize it is a possibility but I would never favor that or even think it is logical right now because of the lack of any sort of glued together theory. If my argument was to be put into any sort of gist, it would be that it is simply much easier to assume that there is a higher power that can accomplish these things than to actually go through the steps logically and put history/politics together factually.

There is a book called the science of fear that I think everyone should read. It will explain the extreme ambitiousness of the human mind to create these sort of scenarios.
 
im pretty sure the government can control whoever gets voted to be president... the fringe candidates never have a chance... no matter how good their platform is.
 
think about the weight we are talking about here, think about how much jet fuel was involved. im pretty sure if you ask those that died who were in the top of the building they felt some major twisting and moving, supporting your theory, till the weight just toppled the building completely. also, building seven may have fallen from debris hitting it along with the resulting shockwave of the collapse.
 
i dont even care about consequences

BUT, apparently, the plane hitting the pentagon had rubber wings and they just folded, creating a narrow hole, right?

so, as we all have seen during the attacks on the WTC towers, plane wings DO NOT FOLD together. these well-documented (at least the second hit) crashes show that a plane hitting a building creates a hole that looks like you would think, not a narrow hole as the "attack" on the pentagon.

i am not disrespectful to anyone. i hate it how people died there, how people lost friends and family, but ignoring common sense and taking every dumb explanation is not helping anybody.

I DO NOT say that americans planned that attack. but SOMETHING is clearly not adding up. dont use any other fact as the one i mentioned above if you argue with me.

now fuck me
 
can someone give me an engineering plan of the pentagon VS the WTC? (specifically which is more impermeable?) can someone give me the speed and angles at which the airplanes entered the respective buildings? hell, what kind of airplanes were they? ammount of fuel burnt off?

kthxbai?
 
9/11 is tomorrow, post your whacked out conspiracy theories in this thread, I'm not going to tolerate 10 different threads with competing discussions.
 
obviously JFK faked his own death and faked tupac's and then the two who were part of some kind of secret government task force went back in time and hypnotized the japanese emperor convincing him to bring america into the war with pearl harbor. then they went forward in time to make 911 happen to avert WWIII.
 
you want to know why its not adding up? because you are an uninformed FUCKING IDIOT. i'm saying that not to be mean but because you deserve to hear it. just the fact that you think there's no difference between the pentagon's building materials and the WTC buildings is testament to that. the only reason people believe this crap is because they ONLY hear the conspiracy without any knowledge of the matter being discussed. before you try and respond to my post, do some research. rubber wings? hahaha man.
 
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Yeah, you know where I am going with this based on what I quoted.

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yes, there might be a difference in building structure, but if thats enough for you to explain the HUGE differences in crash pictures, ok.

as i said, i dont think the government planned this, but at least some portions of the official version seem a little weird.

go on and call me an idiot. helps the victims a lot i guess.

and panda, hey, hows it goin?, great to have my name called :)
 
well then that's fine. its cool when people think and question in order to find out the truth, but its just the people who finally get the answer but then blatantly refuse it with only insults and general terms is when it gets really ridiculous.
 
so what youre saying is that president george w bush, the man who cant say a sentence without made up words and a smirk and who sat on an aircraft carrier declaring "mission accomplished" way before the war in iraq was anywhere near over, is a military genius and smooth planner capable of carrying out 9/11 and keep quiet about it his whole life?
 
its usually the people who claim the govt is incompetent and stupid who believe and create these conspiracies.

apparently the government must use the cover of incompetency while they secretly plot.

and they've somehow found a way to keep thousands of people quiet about what would be one of the most sensational headlines of all time.
 
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