the US will no longer dominate the globe

Ok phatt Tim, we scared the shit out of the world by attacking Sadamm. Sadamm has supported terrorist groups and donated money to these organizations. Al Kida being one of them. Sadamm killed hundred of his citizens. What other two big world leaders killed thier own citizens? Stalin and Hitler.

So Sadamm was turning into a Stalin and Hitler by taking over as harshly as they did. So basicly those two were big factors of world war 2. So phatt tim Sadamm was turning into a huge word threat. So America being the heroic country and powerful country it was America attacked it's attackers...ill rephrase that for you though. America attacked it's attckers funder. Let me make that even better now, america kicked its attackers funder's ass.

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^According to your logic - America attacked itself.

America funded Sadaam didn't they?? Oh, and they funded the Taliban, who harboured Al Queda!

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ok before i argue this anymore. This is mainly about china breaking off about america. But im saying this all because america is the strongest power and with this war we have scared everyone else including china. America helped give money to Iraq way before it turned all evilly gevilly. now im not going into that as much as it needs to be, America is the strongest and will remain the strongest because everyone else is scared and our economy is way better then anyone elses in the world.

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Oh and con_cept, I've retired from political postings on this site, cause I just get upset, but I have to make this point: Yes, we supported Afganistan during their war with Russia and Iraq during their war with Iran...that has absolutly nothing to do with our current state of affairs. Relations change over the years. We were in a big ol war once with England remember?

 
this is for coolcat. coolcat do you know what mutually assured destruction is? china is not scared of us. who cares if we have more tanks, more guns, more fighter planes and fighter pilots, they have nuclear weapons too. so it doesn't matter how much armourment we have, they can drop a bomb on us just like we can drop a bomb on them. if we do then they will. that is mutally assured distruction. regarless of how much money either of us have, the weapons create a sense of egalitarianism. oh and comparing Al Quedas military forces with those of china is ridiculous.

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after china finally gets all the people there under control by helping them all and not ovverpopulating their area as much, it think it will become a power with the us

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Three things still keep america on top:

Better economy

We're americans and we come together like no other country when we are threatened.

And finally we are still on top because we have the strongest allies too. I guess i can add Canada in that too, you guys arent all worthless.

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Saddam ran an opressive dictatorship for over two decades... the Americans new who they were dealing with from the beginning.

I've said this before and I'll say it here: 'You don't make deals with devils, no matter how short their horns.' It has kicked the Americans in the balls far too many times.

To compare this with England and the United States is ridiculous; I hope you've realized that by the time you've read this.

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ok america helped out saddam turned around captured him and stuff we won. still makes us the strongest force. I dont see how this makes china better then us. Population doesnt count as much as you think look at Russia in WWI and WWII they had the most citizens and land but their ecomonmy couldnt pay feeding all those mouths and weapons for each soldier. America has the best trained soldiers there are. We are the best period.

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bull shit america have the best trained soilders in the world, in iraq no matter who you are you have more chance of being killed by an american than buy everyone else combined.

i will grant you that they are the best armed (only because the last 5 presidants have been war mongeres, who go around picking fights with anyone who has a slightly different view on world affairs) but a regular soilder has no fucking clue how to use any of it.

one important qquestion, why has america never gone to war with anyone with a mcdonalds?

 
Ok the government spends over 10 million dollars a year to train and give the best education possible in America (which is pretty much the world)and training to its cadets. I would like to see any other country spend half as much in training. Also one country that has been trained soldiers..im waiting...

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You didn't 'win' ANYTHING. Thousands of Americans and thousands of Iraqis were KILLED (and still young americans are being brought back in body-bags).. nobody won.

Fine, go about thinking what you want... you have nothing to be afraid of... the U.S. is and will for ever, be the greatest superpower. Ignorance is bliss isn't it!?

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death in war is inevitable...i would still say we got the better hand on that one though

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How?... the Iraqi people are the one's the Americans were supposed to be liberating weren't they!?

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oops i misread it..i thought u meant the iraqis resisting us that were a part of hussien's regime

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Hopefully the last thing ill say. America has lost little over 500 soldiers. Iraqs have been killing us because there are hundreds or soldiers patrolling their streets as to make sure no negitive activities are occuring. From there these people are blowing up cars with bombs and suscide missions.

America only lost troops in the begginning of the war because of the mistake of their own helicopters. I think with hundreds of americans patrolling the streets i think that means we won.

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I really hope that was the last thing you are going to say too.

Large numbers of INNOCENT IRAQI CITIZENS DIED.

Those are the one's the American's were supposedly liberating (at least that is their newest excuse.)

NOBODY WON.

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'From there these people are blowing up cars with bombs and suscide missions'

Real innocent

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for the most part i would ahve to say this is one of the most intellegent conversations on NS in quite a while...

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You think that the majority of Iraqi fatalities were Saddam loyalists? Well they weren't.

Anyways this has really gone off topic. If the true reasons for going into Iraq were to get rid of the 'Weapons of Mass Destrution', and to liberate the people from an evil dictator, then why havn't they gone after N. Korea?

Because N. Korea holds REAL power - Think about how much more power China controls than N. Korea...?

China COULD be a VERY considerable military threat. Their economy is growing rapidly, and could be significantly boosted by increased oil supplies.

I believe that the current U.S. administration is very concerned about this and have taken (in their opinion) appropriate action.. because we all know how much they love their power!

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In my opinion, I repeat opinion, if there were a war or some uprising the US would come out on top. We probably do have one of the strongest millitaries out there, even if it were being defeated by another or many other countries we would be able to cope with the effects better. We have advanced medical techniques and resources at our disposal.

Also, if we did get our asses kicked, I think we'd be able to come back to power. Because as many of you have mentioned, China and other countries are booming, since they are only booming not completely to the level we are, we should come out on top. There will be a somewhat natural regression of technology and development so if the US is at 'present day' and China is '100 years behind' yet still developing we would come out on top. Because even if we were getting harder hit than everyone else, we would have started off in the lead, so we would have plenty of 'time' as you may put it to regress back to the levels of the other countries.

But hey, I'm just a kid that doesn't have a major or anything along those lines, just an opinion.

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Current death tolls as of last week:

Afghanistan: US-100+, Afghanistan civlians-10 to 20,000, Soldiers-Unknown

Iraq: US-502, Iraqi civilians-5 to 10,000, Soldiers-Unknown

That's probably going to be 40,000 plus.

All over nothing, cause there are no weapons of mass destruction and no link to al-Qaeda (Afghanistan's invasion was planned well before 9/11).

Oh, and I agree with the fact that the baby boomers are going to screw us. Go to moveon.org and watch the winning 'Bush in 30 seconds' ad.

 
If China wants to become a super power.. we'll just have to drop a third bomb on them to show them were not fucking around. And if Al Queda and the Taliban want to throw rocks and shoot pistols at us.. bam! bomb on their asses!

-Pat

 
u realize we didnt drop a bomb on china right?

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uhhhhhhh i read it like we dropped those first 2 bombs on china

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Yo Cat dude, you're a fuckin' arrogant chump, if US troops are the best trained in the world then why did they get their asses right royally raped in Vietnam, why are they still getting fucked on in Iraq? You win through numbers, not through skill. If it came down to terrain specific, geurrilla warfare you would get assfucked, simple as that.

No you don't have a superior economy, no you didn't 'scare' anyone by attacking Iraq, you pissed off a lot of people, lost a lot of allies and provoked more people to hate you.

China aren't scared of you. If you knew anything at all (which you obvoiusly do not) about Chinese history, you would be able to tell that they really don't give a flying fuck what the US is up to and we all know they could take you if they wanted.

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i hope the us gets nuked. i could live without it. Canada is taking over. thats my guess

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In defense of our soldiers: one reason they didn't succeed in Vietnam is because of the total lack of committment of troops with respect to temporal locality. Sure we sent a buttload of people in there, but they weren't enough at the same time for what we needed. The heads of the operations simply didn't do their job to allow for success either. Recon was very poor, and this was demonstrated by our bombing of their supply lines and bridges, all of which they were able to reestablish very quickly.

You can't tell me that any nations forces could be put in the middle of Iraq right now, and be able to prevent infantry deaths from citizens who look like civilians who are using suicide bombings and other type of explosives to strike at isolated groups of troops. The training of a soldier doesn't usually involve being able to recognize such things (to what degree is it posssible is it to recognize those variables to begin with?)

As far as individual soldiers go, I believe our units are well disciplined. I believe that the heiarchy of the U.S. military is what makes it a strong force. For the most part you have knowledgeable people at the top making decisions about how to attack. These decisions coupled with the technology available to us, have been seemingly favorable over the past 15 years to giving our troops the advantage.

 
The thing I found the scariest is that the average life expectancy of a new recruit into Vietnam, dropped off from a Helo was just 16 minutes, now that's hard out. You get dropped in with a gun, quater of an hour later, you're dead

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^ I agree Vietnam was a royal fuck up. It was useless Cold War politics in what was becoming a Post Cold War Era. The most domestic thing that disgusts me about Vietnam however, was that when troops came home, they were hassled by citizens... spit on, defiled, etc.

The soldiers aren't the ones making the decisions and for the anti-war people of that generation to do that to soldiers who just expierenced what was likely the most traumatic event of their lives, it sickens me to no end.

 
would not have been fun, especially if you were drafted, pulled out of your life, most probably messed up psychologically and emotionally for life and you come home and get treated like that. Would've been mentally crippling for so many...

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okay back to china...

no one seems to have adressed china's economy. as usual, most of you ethnocentric die hard americans refuse to believe that someone could do things better than you. and so you refuse to consider the possibility. you hide behind your ethnocentric ideas. china, no fucking way. their economy is in ruins. they drink out of the sewer. they are horribly educated. their environmental policies are shit (i have no idea why any of you actually mentioned that one). you are not being objective, and you most definately are going off of what you've always heard and the impressions that you have always had of china.

Its like this...

1. China has Hong Kong back, which has long been considered one of the financial capitals of the world. A ridiculous amount of money is produced there, it is going to do wonders. You are unaware of its potential because living over here you cannot see the difference that it is already making, keep in mind that it has only been under chinese control for a few years now.

2. China is a market share economy. for all of you who don't know what this is i'll explain. People have china build their shit for them because the labor is cheaper. and while you may think that your made in china mcdonalds toys are products of the manipulation of the peon chinese factory workers, you do not realize how much money is being poured into their economy because of crappy plastic toys like these.

3. for any of you who have made this step in your thinking process: china should not be compared to communist russia (the USSR). The United States (through the brilliance of Regan - bless his incompetent soul) out spent the USSR in the weapons race of the cold war. Regan bought bombs and weapons and boats and machine guns in competition with russia, until russia could no longer keep up and thier economy went down the hole. We aren't outbuying China - american companies (as well as international companies) are outsourcing to china, we and others are dumping money into thier economy. and when it becomes necessary, they will shift from communism to socialism and they will explode on the scene.

4. i said it before and i'll say it again: a billion fucking people. a billion people is more than your mind can comprehend. you just cannot fit that number into your head. once those people are spending they will have more money than all civilizations, countries and empires have ever had.

You live in america, america is your home. You do not entirely know what is going on outside of the country. seperate what you percieve from what you know to be empiracly true.

America is terrified of asia right now, not the other way around. We won't fight Korea and we wont fight china, it will end in nuclear war. drop a bomb on beijing and say goodbye to nyc. This isn't a control battle that america is going to be able to fight. america is going to have to shut its fucking face and sit down in the backseat. and for all of you who say that we have fought other countries and won (even whopped their asses), i say this. think about who and when we've fought. In terms of presidents wanting to go to war - for whatever reasons - they have made intellegent decisions for assurance of victory (with the exception of Vietnam and definately Iraq). When did we enter WW1 and WW2? after france and england had been exhausted, when germany was exhausted, when we could step in and save the day. Korea, Kuwait, better weapons. Afghanistan? i don't even need to explain that one. We will not fight china, we will not fight Korea. its too fucking risky, bad bad bad things will happen. we have too much to lose, in terms of establishment - more than them.

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^this guy knows, all that shit is true.

and coolcat, did ya say that usa is the cleanest country out there, well i hope you were joking, in case you didnt, go and do your homework better.. USA is THE WORST polluter in the world(over 50% of pollution is from usa)

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alpinecowboy, you're completley right but I get the feeling you're wasting your time on here. Most Americans on this site (most, not all) are exactly what you said in your first paragraph and could never comprehend someone else being better. It's remarkable really. A lot of you need to travel and see just how much the rest of the world can't stand America and Americans, would be quite an eye opener for you indeed.

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yeah i know man, but i guess i just try. i know exactly what you are saying. i think my favorite assumption of americans is, that english is the universal language because of americas importance in the global community. go into any cafe, hostel, subway station in europe and you will begin to understand that people use english not for thier life long dreams of traveling to the land of freedom (america), but soley for the purpose of communicating with other europeans.

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Stats say that if china`s economy keeps on growing at the rate it is, then it overtake the US in 10-15 years. And history shows that the communist government in china isnt true communist - they are very adaptable, and change their 'communist values' tosuit the situation. It has happened since they first came to power and it will continue to happen.

And as for the military side, why do you think US has the best military? coz they have the strongest economy. when it comes down to it, if china wants to buy military goods/train their soldiers etc, they can, coz they`ll have the money to do it.

thats my opinion (based on at least a few facts)

PS: i also am happy if we still get mcds, bk, taco etc

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a million smillion, the state of Texas could fuckin kick China's ass. and don't even joke about anything ever being better than America. It is the best country ever, at everything ever, and will remain so forever because nobody will fuck with us cause we kick so much god damn ass than people quake in their booties if you even mention uncle sam.

by the way i was being sarcastic.

 
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Apline you did a lotta research on this. But still a government will need a hell of a lot of more money then you think. As you said a billion people is a huge number more then your mind can whatever. But that government has to in war time feed those billion people, man millions of men with guns, is just too much money.

Happened to Russia in WWI and WWII it'll happen to china too, you've made point where it could become a super country but population is its weakness. North Korea, haha wow i have no come back to what you said there. So i'll do it the cheesy American way 'They Got Lucky'

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I'd like to see these stats. For all intensive purposes china is still considered a third world country. It's hard to imagine a thrid world country overtaking the US in positions of power in 10-15 years.

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well economically it will happen, sheerly because it's so huge. Especially if China start to produce cars. That will be the main thing that will influence it over the next few years.

And Cat, what are you talking about Russia in WW 1 and 2 for? You're a moron. That has nothing to do with anything. Iosef Stalin was soley responsible for what happened there, had nothing to do with 'trying to feed the masses', you have no part in this arguement, you're stupid.

One thing America needs to realise is that China really don't care. The line from the movie Pearl Harbour where the Japanese general says 'I fear we may have just woken a sleeping giant.' in reference to America has actually been adapted from an American politican (I forget his name) stated about China. China is a sleeping giant. They hold no position on global politics, choose no side and really don't care about anything outside their boarders. They're incredible businessmen, hold no respect what-so-ever for America and frankly, you got yourselves quite a problem there in the next few decades. What are ya gonna do? Attack them before 'they attack you'? Interesting...

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Ok it was stalins fault...hmm same thing was happening to germany and they had less population. they can get alot of money i dont disagree with that its just during war time they couldnt afford the war. Dont say that wrong because its right, so it looks like your the idiot phat

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coolcat410 poasts BEGINNER!!! you need to check yourself before you wreck youself dude. Aside from the fact that calling people idiots is not nice you are just plain wrong.

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coolcat. listen, buddy, wars aren't fought like they were in the 1940's, modern warfare methodology operates on different systems - this is common sense man - we are talking nuclear. once again MAD = mutually assured destruction. a war with china wouldn't be fought on the ground with combat soldiers, because its no longer an effective form of fighting. Why would you send soldiers (who i agree are expensive to feed), when you could send fighter planes to drop napalm and smartbombs in downtown LA? And then america returns with off shore missles being launched into Hong Kong. So china drops an H bomb on San Fran. So america launches a nuke on Beijing? are you understanding now why they call it mutually assured destruction. In war, when you fall behind you up the ante and restake your claim by using a more brutal form of attack. The problem in this sense is that China and the US are on equal ground. millions of tanks and soldiers and missles and fighterplanes are all unnessecary, all you need is a dozen nuclear missles. For all you fools out there that say we should bomb china, you better hope to fucking god that it never happens. there is only one result once that intial button is pushed - nuclear fucking holocaust. every major city in america would have a bright shiny nuclear warhead tossed right in their direction. fuck we'd blow the hell out of their country, but they'd obliterate ours. america knows that if you send one nuke its all over. and everything i just said is why america will not attack a country that is in control of nuclear weapons, just as N. Korea and China are.

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I havent read every post, but i have read the majority of the thread and noone has mentioned the chinese industrial revolution. We all took grade 8 social studies, and learned about the industrail revolution that turned farmers into workers in europe. Right now the same thing is beginning to happen in china, and once they have the majority of the population working in factories rather than farms, they will become the number 1 superpower.

 
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