the US will no longer dominate the globe

tim...i have to disagree, big time, with you. anyone, even from an unbiased source, can tell you that americans are the most skilled troops in the world. that can be undoubtably proven with numberstraining costs/time periods/equipment etc... highly trained troops are obviously going to have the upper hand, 9 times out of 10, in just about every situation they are faced with. your analysis of vietnam is very wrong. even during that conflict we had troops with more skill than any other combat group in the world. you have to understand that vietnam was a loss due to horrible policy which resulted in attrition like strategies. we were more worried about being politically correct at this time than we were about the lives of our troops...hence the discontent seen in america at the time. all of the 'bring our troops home' displays were a direct result of this as people saw that americas were not fighting the war in a strategically successful manner. american troops are the best troops in the world, BUT american troops dont make policy. they are the instruments of policy. just as most all other troops are. guerillas didnt win because they were more skilled. they were less skilled and they had low tech weapons, but they were able to fight successfully because they had smart policy, whether their own or higher officials is irrelevant, which was appropriate given the environment. thats why we failed. VERY similar to what Bush pulled in mogadishu. poor policy caused the failure. not poorly skilled troops.

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alpinecowboy84.....go read my first post early in this thread. you can't prove ANYTHING given what i have pointed out! please dont say america is 'afraid' of asia...makes you sound ignorant and less knowledgable.

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^You're right, it's like comparing a loaded handgun and an ak47 with no bullets.

Unfortunately, the ak47 is useless without any bullets.. just like troop training is useless without 'policy' or whatever.

An example of this: American troops still (regularily) patrol in a linear pattern (yes even after vietnam), rather than in tactical formation... poor 'policy' continues.

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^My post is for your post 3 up. Damn you and your posting before me.

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actually you could hit someone with the butt of a AK47 and put them out. i disagree with your insight on still using vietnam style formation. maybe for formal engagements, but now all ground troops use purely tactical means of progressing.

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SUPilot, I wasn't saying that they are poorly trained, they're very good. I'm saying that tactically, strategically and situationally dependent they are not the best in the world. The SAS whooped the Navy Seals asses, the New Zealand SAS trains your anti-terrorist units and America would still be buttraped when it comes to guerilla warfare.

And Cat, alpinecowboy is exactly right. Do you think that if China was to launch an assualt on the USA that they would chuck millions of soldiers (coz it would take many many millions) onto boats and ship them across?? Hell no, American 'intelligence' would see them before they even left the harbour and intercept them somewhere about 100kms from land. Don't be so damn naive. Alpinecowboy is exactly right, it probably wouldn't even be fought with planes, just long range missiles, buttons, switches and computers. They would utilise terrorist warfare to strike from within, possible nuclear assualts on urban centers and it would be a bloodbath. Very cheap to wage that kind of war my friend, very cheap indeed.

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I'm almost 100% positive they still use it in combat... I was talking to a friend in the CAM about that last week.

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That's supposed to read CAF

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sorry bud...can't let that one slide. granted i am a air guard puke, my brother is a seal. the SAS and the SEALs are like oil and water, there is no comparrison. the SAS is a counter terrorist, hostage rescue unit. the equivalent in our country would of course be, DELTA Force or other government agencies. the SBS or Special Boat Service in england are closer to being the SEALs counterparts. based on similar missions. tthe elite foreign specialty units usually specialize in only one area. the German COMP Swimmers are bar none the best combat divers in the world BUT that is all they do! the SEALs on the other hand desparate for any mission they can get cross train in many different areas, search and rescue close quarter combat, combat diving. you kind of get my point? they usually kick the brits ass everytime they train with them, but when your a jack of all trades it usually makes you look like a jack ass at one! fortunately for the SEAL teams, they train balls to the wall no excuses for failure, and raw attitude alone usually allows them to win. but sometimes it would be nice if they could specialize say for instance, Sniper team, Dive team, with limited cross training so that they could hands down be the best at what there mission would be. i would not lie at all because I don't really care, but I can tell you that my brother has trained with the brit royal marines, germans, spanish, portuguese, french and he says they were not always in direct competition, but when they were they ALWAYS won. granted that troops are only as good as the policy which backs them, but americans are still the best in the world. i know that sounds extremely arrogant and it will probably add fuel to your anti american fire, but thats how it is.

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back to china...as far as strikes from within with nukes...i think your giving to much credit to a not so readily available type of weapon. sure there might be attacks, but not nuke attacks from within. secondly a move by china would never fly. as much hate as you have for america i can tell you that 98% of the rest of the world would not let china make a move. all of that is a farce anyways when you give it thought because america is very cooperative with china at this point. infact china is currently more open with the USA than they have ever been in world history. china is ready to bitch slap north korea before americans can even get a piece of the pie.

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may I remind you that 90% of the world didn't want America to attack Iraq? The did anyway.

You think china would give a shit if the rest of the world disagreed? America didn't.

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hard to say, but i'm sure the entire free world is stronger than america when it stands alone.

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well france was a big one..but that was for their own personal interests

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ha...yeah and now france wants a piece of the iraq pie. its funny how that works.

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War is not an option. Not for the Americans and not for the Chinese.

My prediction is that China WILL surpass the United States in superpower status eventually (not through the use of millitary).

The only reason why I, and others, have defended the strength of China's millitary is because some dumb American fools believe that war is the solution to eveything; that if China begins to become an economic rival... then their government should just bomb 'em till they have been blown off the map.

If you don't want to worry about the possibility of China becoming the super-power... then don't. But if it is ignored, it is sure to happen.

I would bet that the guys in the White House may be a little more concerned about it then you.

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a strong china means a strong america and a strong america means a strong china. its in our best interest to be friends with an economic power house.

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I don't think most Americans would be alright with that statement.

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alpinecowboy proved a good point that i cant argue against with the whole no more foot soldier fighting but bombing. Alright you guys are right im wrong...just hard to think America would be taken over by...CHINA?

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i wonder how everyone would go about this topic if they were president or dictator or prime minister or w/e...if they were responsible for the safety of all of their people....i think my anti war thoughts would be changed if i were in charge

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That's a good point five0. We have to remember the people calling the shots have to keep their whole countries well being in mind.

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yo SUpilot, tell your bro thanks for me. At least some of us non anti american fags appreciate the sacrifice he's makin defending the best fuckin country to ever exist.

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i made a good point? my 3 yrs here are now complete

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SUPilot, you're right, good relations between America and China would be very very good for both of you, unfortunatley they don't exist and unfortunatley for the last 5 years or so, American buttkissing diplomats have been given the hard word and told to forget it. Too bad they don't care too much for the USA or good economic relations. Know why? They don't NEED America.

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and whoever said no one gives a fuck about New Zealand? You're exactly right, that's why it's such a damn cool place to live.

Except that it's the trial grounds for all electronic and economic gadgets and ideas. If they work here, the rest of the world gets them, if not, they go back to the drawing board, that's kinda cool.

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like what kind of gadgets? got anything good?

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like what kind of gadgets? got anything good?

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haha, dudes, x-ray glasses are so last year

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is it the year of the 6 foot long 4 way dildo-matic? cuz i'd like to see that

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well i guess it depends how you define good relations. i think i would define good relations as improved relations when compared to previous relations. thats alot of relations. therefore we have good relations with china, ie better than they have been in the past. to say one doesnt need the other economically is pretty naive. america drives a HUGE % of the worlds economy as is the same with china. it only makes sense that they are somewhat interdependent in an independent way, ha.

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holy shit SU u said relations 6 times in like 2 and a half sentences

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thats a good political term...like 'i did not have sexual relations with that woman'

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I think the United States biggest folley that will bring them down from the inside is the incomprehenable amount of propaganda and brainwashing that is present in the gouvernemtn and mainly the media.

Its unfair to call americans 'stupid' or 'ignorant' on world issues because their main mode of obtaining info on the world is 100% biased bullshit that i cant stand to watch. I dont understand why the american government are allways pollutiong the populations mind with the image that 'you are never safe', 'we are strong and can kill everyone', and 'everyone looks to america for help'.

I think that the US has no chance of staying a true superpower because its population is becoming more filled with intelligent poeple who are beginning to see through their sugar coated blanket of stories to keep them happy, but scared of the rest of the world.



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in all fiarness moe i think the down fall of american will be that so many people have lost faith in thier comander in chief, that when push comes to shove they will feel they can say no when he gives a comand and anarky will insue. the best thing bush could do is take his finger of the button, and alow some one who comands a bit more respect to take his place.

this is only my view and what i think, there fore should be taken as such and not taken as me wageing war on the US

 
^Is your name Harvey Stockwin??? If you are, then you are ancient... otherwise, any 12 year-old (or 30 year-old) can cut and paste work from a website as their arguement.

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Unless we humans, as a species, not a race or culture, change our ways very soon it's not going to matter who is ruling. At the rate humans are going now natural resources are going to be fully depleted very soon. I guess I'm saying this because someone said people are a resource. People aren't a resource, they are a parasite feeding on a limited supply of Earth. And when the parasite is done with it's life source it moves on.....or perishes. So probably not by our lifetimes, but our children's lifetimes, we'll all be fucked anyway. This is kind of off topic for this thread, but it ties in with it somewhat. Read some Daniel Quinn.....it will give you a good perspective on these things. I recommend Ishmael. It may be too deep for some of you young bucks though.

And as far as America losing it's grip on things right now....I can agree with that. Hopefully it will make some people , politicians mainly, step back and realize what kind of fucked up principles this country is running on right now. To be a democratic country and act like our leaders do is absurd. Don't get me wrong, I love being an American, but change is inevitably needed. Be a Leaver....not a Taker.

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ok, this is totally out of the topic, but tim.. hehe yeah you kiwis had many cool gadgets, but i have seen them all in europe before, and i saw the most obsolete water systems in nz houses i went in, like different taps for hot and cold water, and low water pressure in the shower.. god you shuld do something for that.. but well yeah i would totally prefer to live in kiwi-land compared to living in states..

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dude, there is different taps for hot and cold coz they usually come from different tanks, and you lived out in the country, waaaaay out in the sticks so they would definatley have had different taps. And shower water pressure? Dude, that comes down to the individual shower, my one at home just about puts holes in my back,

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so will someone please start thinking about actual solutions? should we all become freemasons?

Activism without chaos? or Chaos without activism?

 
yeah man, there is a dynastic cycle, i dont remember the whole thing but your the most dominant then the country starts to rebel it keeps gonig untill a new dynasty takes over. at least thats how it worked in ancient china.

 
thomas jefferson said that every country needs a rebellion every 100 years to clear out the corruption of men and to pick up the pieces, but only the pieces worth keeping. The states prevents revolution by creating a 'police state' horribly intimidating security forces and judicial systems. Can't you feel it in the air? can you feel the revolution? one day it will cease to be a faint lingering smell shut out by walls and wafting from under closed doors. Soon it will erupt into a major movement of peoples. The world is not content. Stop trying to think that it is. Wake the fuck up america. get off your fucking couches! TURN OFF THE FUCKING TV!

I believe Canada is the most powerful country in the world, and now that we have our own:

- Vast reserves of oil

- The largest supply of fresh water in the world

- The 2nd largest diamond mine in the world (in yellowknife, it has thrown the entire world economy off balance..De Beers owns 90% of the world'

s diamonds, and all that money went to the states. Now we have the quality and the amount.

- A peaceful, productive relationship with most of the world

- No military to speak of, and no one shoots an unarmed man

- We will soon have a huge, steady economy, unweakened by an overseas war.

- Our country is not the target for terrorist attacks

- And we're so fucking cool

Activism without chaos? or Chaos without activism?

 
thomas jefferson said that every country needs a rebellion every 100 years to clear out the corruption of men and to pick up the pieces, but only the pieces worth keeping. The states prevents revolution by creating a 'police state' horribly intimidating security forces and judicial systems. Can't you feel it in the air? can you feel the revolution? one day it will cease to be a faint lingering smell shut out by walls and wafting from under closed doors. Soon it will erupt into a major movement of peoples. The world is not content. Stop trying to think that it is. Wake the fuck up america. get off your fucking couches! TURN OFF THE FUCKING TV!

I believe Canada is the most powerful country in the world, and now that we have our own:

- Vast reserves of oil

- The largest supply of fresh water in the world

- The 2nd largest diamond mine in the world (in yellowknife, it has thrown the entire world economy off balance..De Beers owns 90% of the world'

s diamonds, and all that money went to the states. Now we have the quality and the amount.

- A peaceful, productive relationship with most of the world

- No military to speak of, and no one shoots an unarmed man

- We will soon have a huge, steady economy, unweakened by an overseas war.

- Our country is not the target for terrorist attacks

- And we're so fucking cool

Activism without chaos? or Chaos without activism?

 
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