The situation in Afghanistan

14314799:BrandoComando said:
It's ISIS...

The US and Taliban are enemies, but both governments hate ISIS even more. Sharing a common enemy has been one minor benefit to the evacuation. The Taliban has an incentive to help the US gtfo of Afghanistan because as long as there's a huge military and civilian presence there, ISIS has an easy target for terror attacks. The Taliban needs America to leave so they can focus on their own domestic terror groups
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Yeah pretty sure ISIS wants to bring about the apocalypse so the "kaliphate can rise from the ashes" or some shit
 
Oh damn you forgot to mention the part where they concluded these people had zero knowledge of the event before it happened. Which is in the report you’re mentioning.

14315031:qazwsxedc34 said:
Lastly, I'll add, just to erudiate the truth that the FBI's investigation was code named PENTTBOM investigation, an acronym for the Pentagon and Twin Tower's bombing (their words). 90% of this investigation is classifed. They also conducted teh Dancing Israeli Investigation and found that most of the 'hijackers' had Mossad handlers, one 'hijacker' who used to work for Israeli intel.

If anyone wishes to actually know the truth about this, not what you're told by the media and their billionaire sharholders, see pdf links at bottom.
https://www.israellobby.org/UrbanMoving/

^ ^ ^ All the declassifed FOIA requested documents can be found in pdf format in the link above. To note, the website is not the Israeli lobby (AIPAC) but the Institute for Research: Middle-eastern Policy and advocates making AIPAC register as a foreign agent like JFK and RFK would have instituted had they not been assassinated. In these documents you'll fine Mossad handlers living near the hijackers, near where the anthrax attacks were sent through the mail and many mossad agents in NYC 9 months before and during 9/11 who were explosive experts. Our greatest ally has agents:

"...setting up cameras before 9/11 and as it occured high-fiving, horsing around, smiling, hugging each other and looking jovial but not at all shocked..." according to several eye-witnesses.

""[T]he Israelis are visibly happy on nearly all" of the photos. And there weren't just a few; there were "seventy-six" photographs. "[N]early all" of 76 is about five or six dozen photos"

"Sivan Kurzberg was celebrating by "holding a lighted lighter in the foreground, with the smoldering wreckage in the background", like he was at a rock concert."
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14315038:VTshredder69 said:
9/11 in general was orchestrated by many. I’m in entire agreement that it was an inside job of sorts.
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I mean no disrespect to the victims or their family’s but those were some ugly ass buildings the whole World Trade Center complex was
 
14315061:DesertStix said:
Bruh
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They were literally the most horrific looking 60s early 70s skyscraper. If you want to build a ugly steel and concrete box at least make it look like the Sears tower or John Hancock center
 
13 US Troops and dozens of civilians are killed in a bombing at the airport...

.... I guess Joe Biden was sleeping on the job.

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14315062:WoFlowz said:
They were literally the most horrific looking 60s early 70s skyscraper. If you want to build a ugly steel and concrete box at least make it look like the Sears tower or John Hancock center
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Bro you have to Be fucking kiddding me rn, you live close to NY and have been highly influenced your whole life by 911 and then say some dumb ass shit like that. Your fuckin stupid and need to go to the 911 memorial
 
14315091:ColoradoDogfart said:
Bro you have to Be fucking kiddding me rn, you live close to NY and have been highly influenced your whole life by 911 and then say some dumb ass shit like that. Your fuckin stupid and need to go to the 911 memorial
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Idk about highly influenced I’d just say every year we have to watch the Nation Geographic Documentary on 9/11 in social studies. I just think they were ugly buildings. What happened was terrible, and I can’t imagine how the people inside the towers and around felt or what their family’s felt after.
 
14315097:WoFlowz said:
Idk about highly influenced I’d just say every year we have to watch the Nation Geographic Documentary on 9/11 in social studies. I just think they were ugly buildings. What happened was terrible, and I can’t imagine how the people inside the towers and around felt or what their family’s felt after.
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But like, why do you feel like that is an important point to make? Low key a dolan move to hone in on an isignificant point on a very important topic in a way that downplays it.
 
14315098:r00kie said:
But like, why do you feel like that is an important point to make? Low key a dolan move to hone in on an isignificant point on a very important topic in a way that downplays it.
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Cause I think there ugly. No thought process behind it other than that
 
14315098:r00kie said:
But like, why do you feel like that is an important point to make? Low key a dolan move to hone in on an isignificant point on a very important topic in a way that downplays it.
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I have a hard time seeing how conspiracies from Israel did it to inside jobs to bush to insurance policy’s isn’t downplaying what happened but me commenting how I thought the two buildings were ugly is? Can you please elaborate on that for me?
 
14315107:WoFlowz said:
I have a hard time seeing how conspiracies from Israel did it to inside jobs to bush to insurance policy’s isn’t downplaying what happened but me commenting how I thought the two buildings were ugly is? Can you please elaborate on that for me?
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The twin towers themselves have come to symbolize the 9/11 event. The buildings represent every person that was in them. So the very thing everyone thinks of when they think of 9/11, you're saying is ugly garbage.
 
14315129:JAHpow said:
The twin towers themselves have come to symbolize the 9/11 event. The buildings represent every person that was in them. So the very thing everyone thinks of when they think of 9/11, you're saying is ugly garbage.
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Ok I can see where that comes from
 
14315035:SuspiciousFish said:
I mean, Jews were caught on a van dancing and filming 911, got caught by the NYPD and FBI, held by the US Government then quietly shipped back Israel. They then went on TV and said they travelled to the US to document 911 which in the very least shows Israel knew the attacks were going to happen.

The whole situation was sketchy AF and even some mainstream news covered it:
https://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123885&page=1
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Yes, they were Zionist Jews specifically working for Mossad as Sayanim but their actions don't encompass Jewry as some kind of monolith. We have Jewish skiiers here and they basically either follow some Jewish traditions or just call themselves Jews because their mother was Jewish. None of them, as far as I know, have anything to do with Mossad or the aparthied state of Israel's government. The worst someone can do is state "Jews did 9/11," which sort of parallels the Islamaphobia that came out of the 9/11 event that "muslims did 9/11." Needless to say, it's okay for Howard Stern and Bill Maher to exclaim that we need to eradicate Islam and bomb Palestine, or in Stern's belief, "drop a nuclear bomb on those animals," but mention a small subet of criminal supremaicst Zionists tied to 9/11 and other crimes in the US that have single loyalty to aparthied Israel and good luck keeping your cubical job due the present and future 'anti-Semitism' laws being signed into law in the US --- which would include criticism of Israel or anti-BDS boycotts --- by the likes of Alan "I was good friends with Epstein; the age of consent should be 12 or 13" Dershowitz or Trump, who hired Acosta, Epstein's lawyer; or DeSantis of Florida who spends much of his time in Israel and is friends with Greenberg who sexually trafficked underage teenagers for the GOP.

As for 9/11, the 40 victims family members that REFUSED Israeli agent judge Helerstein's victim compensation payout, which was set up to prevent any real investigation as the government backed Commission Report according to its members was "set up to fail," which was directed by Philip Zelikow, a 'dual'-Israeli who literally wrote his thesis on how to instill public myths into the conciousness of citizens, leading the commission in the direction that he and his comrades saw fit, which was mostly gaslighting; these family members exposed Hellerstein and other Israeli agents in court transcripts.

Here is a great overview of 9/11 and the PNAC coup of dual-Israeli neocons embeded in the Bush admin (you'll start to see a pattern) :

http://www.newsfocus.org/pnac.htm

Also, I'm under the opinion that Israeli intel. and 5th column Sayanim in US inteligence helped to orchestrate 9/11. There is no way there was this many Mossad agents in NYC just because. The redacted story is that Mossad warned the US about an event, I think that's the cover story.

I believe that the "Bush did it 9/11" meme attempts to deflect suspicion from the faction of Israeli and American Zionists who COULD HAVE planned and executed 9/11 onto the Anglo-American/Arab power bloc the former see as their main competition for influence and control over the U.S.

So, while Barak was calling for US forces to bomb Palestine and all the other countries the US invaded, it should be noted that before 9/11 and after assuming the presidency (apparently illegaly), the Bush administration became the first American administration to openly call for the formation of a Palestinian state. The Likud, the ideological progeny of the Irgun (the terrorist movement that called for a "Greater Israel" encompassing Jordan, Syria, and the Sinai peninsula in addition to Palestine) have no intention of allowing a Palestinian state into being. Tellingly, upon their arrest, the five so-called "Dancing Israelis" said that "your problem is our problem...the Palestinians are the problem." Also, the first claim of responsibility for the attacks was made by the Democratic Front for the Liberation Palestine, and we know that the American media showing us dubious video of "Palestinians celebrating the attacks" was staged. It appears that the original plan, in other words, may have been to blame Palestinian 'terrorists.'

[video]https://youtube.com/watch?v=ej1Wc3q3WS4[/video]
 
14315053:DesertStix said:
Oh damn you forgot to mention the part where they concluded these people had zero knowledge of the event before it happened. Which is in the report you’re mentioning.
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No, knoweldge, just there to document the event. You're talking to someone who believes 9/11 was likely a PNAC coup.
 
14315062:WoFlowz said:
They were literally the most horrific looking 60s early 70s skyscraper. If you want to build a ugly steel and concrete box at least make it look like the Sears tower or John Hancock center
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Honest question- were you old enough to watch and remember the buildings go down? I have noticed the older generation has a different take and attitude about 911 since we actually saw the event on TV and were collectively traumatized by that shit where for the younger generation its just another event in history.
 
14315056:WoFlowz said:
I mean no disrespect to the victims or their family’s but those were some ugly ass buildings the whole World Trade Center complex was
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It's okay, Silverstein, Lowy, Eisenberg had you covered. Those thigns were an eye sore accordign to most gentrification architechs. Larry Silverstein & co., who reached an agreement to buy a 99-year lease in a deal valued at $3.2 billion, which was fixed an insurance policy of over 7 billion for its total destruction due to any possible, I don't know, future acts of terrorism. Decrepit, outdated, obsolete, asbestos ridden buildings, which had attached liabilities to the tune of billions of dollars to mend, was considered at the time to be one of the worst investments in US history, curiously, would see their destruction just 5 months later. There global destruction transformed what was once considered an atrocious business deal, into one of great and convenient opportunity.

On a side note, the probability of Larry Silverstein not being in the WTC on 9/11 (where he said he tended to brunch with clients every morning – Monday through Friday – having not been absent one day) was 1 out of 250 working days (Mon - Fri x 50 work weeks) per year. The probability of both Larry and his son Roger Silverstein being away on the same day, where he tended to his clients on the 88th floor every Monday through Friday, but "was running late" is 1 / 250 x 250 = 1 in 62500. The chance of Larry, Roger, and Lisa – all 3 – being away from the WTC on the same day is 1 chance in 250 x 250 x 250 = 1/15625000 per year. Even if we allow each person 10 missed days per year, there is 1 in 1.5 million probability that all 3 Silverstein’s escaped 9/11 by chance.
 
14315136:SuspiciousFish said:
Honest question- were you old enough to watch and remember the buildings go down? I have noticed the older generation has a different take and attitude about 911 since we actually saw the event on TV and were collectively traumatized by that shit where for the younger generation its just another event in history.
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I’m 15 so I wasn’t alive then but every year the last 4 years we watched the 9/11 documentary by National Geographic of live news footage of the event and at home video footage taken by people all over NY and NJ and in Washington
 
14315091:ColoradoDogfart said:
Bro you have to Be fucking kiddding me rn, you live close to NY and have been highly influenced your whole life by 911 and then say some dumb ass shit like that. Your fuckin stupid and need to go to the 911 memorial
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[video]https://youtube.com/watch?v=KWJdyJU8av8[/video]
 
Now that we are going to spark up the war on terror again lets bring back the good old stick death videos from 2002.


Fuck here we go again man.
 
14315142:SuspiciousFish said:
Now that we are going to spark up the war on terror again lets bring back the good old stick death videos from 2002.


Fuck here we go again man.
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Damn too bad... a real heart felt song that blamed the wrong people.

Defining Catastrophic Terrorism

The evidence of a clear effort to take down the US becomes even more transparent just a year later in October of '98, when yet another dark document was conceived, called "Catastrophic Terrorism: Elements of a National Policy."

If that title alone isn't enough to raise the ol' Spock eyebrow, then you are more than likely incapable of sentient reasoning. But let's hold on a minute here - just one short brief second... "Catastrophic Terrorism"... as a National Policy? Seriously? Well, that's exactly what the public and other government watchdogs were asking back then as well, and so guess what? All of a sudden - magically, overnight - that document suddenly had a new name... Catastrophic Terrorism: "Tackling the New Danger."

So, using our 20/20 hindsight once again, was that earlier title all just some form of eerie prescience, or was it an actual revealing preview of their true intended plans for this country? Thinking minds shouldn't have to parse that one about for too long.

Then there was the issue of that little subtitle... "Imagining the 'transformative event.'" Seriously?

There are two key components to that title... the act of "imagining," as well as the "transformative event," the latter of which is actually two more things unto itself - something "transformative," and in the form of an "event." Perhaps the only title more telling about its authors might have been "Daydreaming about the transformative event."

A very telling admission/concession of guilt came in the form of a later revision which shamelessly changed the subtitle to its present version, "Visions of Governance for the Twenty-First Century." Although, even that small revision reveals much about this neocon/Likud aligned group group and its plans, because it blatantly spells out in its revised title, a new type of US governance is being implied.

Seymour Hersh should have to look no further than this treasonous moment in history for indications of a coup.

This new policy proposal was the byproduct of yet another tiny micro-group of neoconservative men, Ashton B. Carter, John Deutch, and Philip Zellikow. At the time, only John Deutch was publicly well known as the former Deputy Secretary of Defense from 1994-95, and Director of the CIA from 1995-96. Phillip Zellikow would "coincidentally" be later named as the head of the 9/11 Commission, while Ashton B. Carter would later become Secretary of Defense.

The thing most damning about the Catastrophic Terrorism (CT) study was their joint speculation on what would have happened had the 1993 World Trade Center bombing brought down the twin towers...

>>>"Such an act of catastrophic terrorism would be a watershed event in American history. It could involve loss of life and property unprecedented in peacetime and undermine America's fundamental sense of security, as did the Soviet atomic bomb test in 1949. Like Pearl Harbor, this event would divide our past and future into a before and after. The United States might respond with draconian measures, scaling back civil liberties, allowing wider surveillance of citizens, detention of suspects, and use of deadly force."

The proposal then suggests,

>>>"More violence could follow, either further terrorist attacks or U.S. counterattacks."

These members of the CT study also wrote:

>>>"Readers should imagine the possibilities for themselves, because the most serious constraint on current policy is lack of imagination. An act of catastrophic terrorism that killed thousands or tens of thousands of people and/or disrupted the necessities of life for hundreds of thousands, or even millions, would be a watershed event in America’s history. It could involve loss of life and property unprecedented for peacetime and undermine Americans’ fundamental sense of security within their own borders in a manner akin to the 1949 Soviet atomic bomb test, or perhaps even worse. Constitutional liberties would be challenged as the United States sought to protect itself from further attacks by pressing against allowable limits in surveillance of citizens, detention of suspects, and the use of deadly force. More violence would follow, either as other terrorists seek to imitate this great "success" or as the United States strikes out at those considered responsible." "Like Pearl Harbor, such an event would divide our past and future into a before and after." "Using imagination, we hope now to find some of the political will that we know would be there later, "after," because this nation prefers prevention to funereal reconstruction. When this threat becomes clear the President must be in a position to activate extraordinary capabilities."

This isn't a proposal as much as it is a full out plan... neocon aligned with the Likud daydreaming on how to orchestrate a coup.

Also, PNAC document:

>>>"Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor."

Welp, they got their convenient wish to impose all their domestic and most of their geopolitical agendas.
 
I don’t understand people who bash Twitter. Almost every significant event in the last 10 years has been on Twitter before hitting media outlets. Does it require a little more vetting than reading a traditional newspaper with an editor? Sure. Do you get stories in real time as they unfold? Absolutely.

14316318:T.L. said:
That was the first place that the video circulated this morning you fucking clown. Where do you think "the news" gets half their stories?
https://www.independent.co.uk/asia/south-asia/taliban-black-hawk-helicopter-video-b1911264.html
https://news.yahoo.com/taliban-appear-fly-us-black-165129341.html
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14316338:Evantheshredster said:
fuck! can you do a Dr. Jones type shit thing on those planes and like go inside through the gear or no chance?
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Nah. Gear clearance on airplanes is super, super tight. Every piece fits together very neatly and compact.

There's a very gruesome vid of the lower half of a body dangling out of a landing gear door in flight. Pretty brutal.

This was never a war meant to be won.
 
14316416:skierman said:
"TWITTER ISN'T A GOOD ENOUGH NEWS SOURCE FOR YOU?!? FINE! HERE'S YAHOO AND INDEPENDENT.CO.UK!!!!"

hahahahaha, you've gotta be fucking kidding me.
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Ok, clown.
 
Joe Biden making America look weaker than ever. It's no wonder that ISIS and the Taliban were celebrating when he was elected presidency.

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14316435:SourSteezle said:
Joe Biden making America look weaker than ever. It's no wonder that ISIS and the Taliban were celebrating when he was elected presidency.

**This post was edited on Aug 31st 2021 at 9:36:18am
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Yup because trump groveling with Putin, saluting north Korean generals, releasing 5k Taliban, and signing the withdraw deal really makes us look strong. Not to mention he pretty much completely divided the country and made half of it not believe in science.

This withdraw was long overdue. Glad Biden had the balls to actually do it. Obama and trump both said they would.

Is it a shit show? Yes. How could it not be.

Why are you not saying this makes GB, France, Germany or the rest of the NATO countries look weak? They all had troops there and withdrew as well.
 
14316513:DesertStix said:
Do you really not know why he’s banned?
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lol nope. I don't follow bullshit politics very closely. It makes me laugh how everyone gets so up in arms about such dumb BS. I thought Trump did a better than job than Biden though. at least i paid normal gas prices then.
 
14316516:VTshredder69 said:
lol nope. I don't follow bullshit politics very closely. It makes me laugh how everyone gets so up in arms about such dumb BS. I thought Trump did a better than job than Biden though. at least i paid normal gas prices then.
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I'm guessing its not just politics you don't pay attention to. Don't worry, the best kind of citizen is an ignorant one... you stupid fucking racist.
 
…right

14316516:VTshredder69 said:
lol nope. I don't follow bullshit politics very closely. It makes me laugh how everyone gets so up in arms about such dumb BS. I thought Trump did a better than job than Biden though. at least i paid normal gas prices then.
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14316525:skierman said:
I'm guessing its not just politics you don't pay attention to. Don't worry, the best kind of citizen is an ignorant one... you stupid fucking racist.
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I mean most citizens are racist and ignorant if they believe the PNAC coup 9/11 Straussian myth that was pretext for all the middleeastern wars that got us in this situation in the first place. Trump's camp, Mossad and their Sayanim did 9/11. Make these people and their ideolgy foreign agents, and we might never have situations such as the murder of 3,000 innocent people or millions of innocent people liquidated in foreign lands again.

[video]https://youtube.com/watch?v=oO2yT0uBQbM[/video]
 
Are you really defending the way in which Biden just left Afghanistan? Leaving US citizens stranded, leaving the Taliban all of our military weaponry, and meanwhile allowing a suicide bomber to kill marines as well as hundreds of Afghanistan citizens?

The way in which we exited is a complete disgrace and leaving US citizens behind is un-American. Regardless of your political party, Biden is looked at by the rest of the world as weak, and he's proving them all right with the way he handled this.

14316481:Profahoben_212 said:
Yup because trump groveling with Putin, saluting north Korean generals, releasing 5k Taliban, and signing the withdraw deal really makes us look strong. Not to mention he pretty much completely divided the country and made half of it not believe in science.

This withdraw was long overdue. Glad Biden had the balls to actually do it. Obama and trump both said they would.

Is it a shit show? Yes. How could it not be.

Why are you not saying this makes GB, France, Germany or the rest of the NATO countries look weak? They all had troops there and withdrew as well.
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