The Official: "What is wrong with my boots?" Thread
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GayWolf420
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13776189:onenerdykid said:
no worries, sounds pretty accurate, ive gotten at least 150 days throughout 2 seasons on these. I do however buckle them up a little tight when I take them off and throw them in my car after skiing.
thanks for the info as always. for future reference, what boots with 130 flexes would you recommend that have a similar fit to the RX130s? I have a few buddies that ski for rossignol and they told me that their 130 boots (cant remember what it is) are essentially identical in almost every way/shape/form.
GayWolf420
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13776362:Profahoben_212 said:
right on, ive been considering other boots but that new freeride/touring boot lange has is fucking dreamy. XT 130 I think it is?
ill have to check stuff out but langes have been the best boots I can recall.
profa_212
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13776387:DeebieSkeebies said:
Yeah those are so sexy. Always been interested in lange, I've just been on Nordica for 6 years now...I just like the feel of their plastic. Also that cork liner they have is sexy....gunna probably replace the liner at the end of this season with some intuitions.
onenerdykid
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13776358:DeebieSkeebies said:
The good news a lot of brands have boots in this category. But, as you will see come SIA time, there will be a few new ideas in this category from a couple brands (perhaps Atomic) that I think you'll find interesting.
Your choice will be between boots that have a fixed cuff (like the one you currently own) and ones that have a ski/walk mechanism. You'll see that there won't be a performance sacrifice or lack of progressive flex when choosing a boot with a ski/walk mechanism.
But if your search is primarily focused on narrow fitting, fixed cuff boots, you will have lots of options like Atomic Hawx Ultra 130, Salomon X-Max 130, Nordica GPX 130, Tecnica Mach 1 LV 130 etc. before you start entering the world of full-on-race.
Obie.
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Pretty much aiming this question @ the OP because you seem to be the Don of ski boot fitting but looking to get answers from anywhere.
My boots are shot, well at least the liners in them are. I have a pair of 2012 Atomic Overload Reactor ski boots (the bright blue ones) that I've been riding hard for a good 3+ seasons now. Couldn't beat the $130 pricetag, they were originally fitted for me and have been the best ski boot I've had thus far...
All the buckles and the shell seem to be in good working condition, my question is: Should I get fitted for a replacement liner / or other interior fixes or should I just call it quits on these and get new boots. Priority is budget.. but these boots are really starting to loosen up and create awkward pressure points that are hurting my feet after a long day of riding.
My boots are shot, well at least the liners in them are. I have a pair of 2012 Atomic Overload Reactor ski boots (the bright blue ones) that I've been riding hard for a good 3+ seasons now. Couldn't beat the $130 pricetag, they were originally fitted for me and have been the best ski boot I've had thus far...
All the buckles and the shell seem to be in good working condition, my question is: Should I get fitted for a replacement liner / or other interior fixes or should I just call it quits on these and get new boots. Priority is budget.. but these boots are really starting to loosen up and create awkward pressure points that are hurting my feet after a long day of riding.
onenerdykid
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13777319:Obie. said:
A new liner (thinking of Intuition Power Wrap) will be around $200. A new boot will be double that at least. As long as the plastic is good (no cracks, no chips, etc) and the buckles are good, putting in a new liner will be a great way to add life to the boot. Just make sure to choose a liner that is thick enough/the right volume for the shell.
kung_powpow
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Is it possible to increase the shin volume of the Intuition Pro liner on the Seth Morrisons? The tongue overlap has gotten too compressed and I have some room in between the shin and the liner. Would heatmolding them again increase the liner volume if I leave the top buckle loose?
onenerdykid
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13777915:kung_powpow said:
If you heat them up with a liner oven (not a hot air blower) you will get a lot of the thickness back. Just be sure to not buckle them tight when molding them - leave it medium loose.
Revelinyourstoke
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13777915:kung_powpow said:
The eliminator.
So I just purchased some full tilts plush 6 and was skiing on them a few days before i decided to get them molded because was too painful. I still feel like they are just a little narrow for the center of my feet. Someone recommended i put in some insoles to bring up my arch, is this the best option?
onenerdykid
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13783177:co.jean said:
Definitely footbeds. These will help at least stabilize your foot and keep it in place. Then you should have the liners heat molded. After that, assuming the boot is the right boot for you, you should be good to go. If not, then you might need to have the shell stretched in certain areas, but that is an easy fix. Footbeds, mold liners, then modify shell if need be.
haggis_hunter
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I think its time I went full retard and went in the world or race as I'm just not getting on with off the shelf alpine boots. No matter what I've tired and I've had some of the best boot fitters in the UK do them for me I have ended up hating the boots.
Me, 6'4 106k, very athletic build, likes to ski fast.
Current boots; 28.0 Lange XT130's with custom foot beds fitted by Alain Baxter. Nothing wrong with the fitting, boots felt great in the shop and for the 1st few days of use. Performance fit with 10mm behind my heals.
Previous boots; all 28.5 mondo Atomic tracker 130s (felt they were too big and the live fit made them feel too soft), Salomon X-max 120s (far too soft), solly x-pro 120's (utter noodly shite).
Issues, after a few days no matter what I did I felt like I was rattling around the boots, I could feel my ankle moving and I could feel like I wanted to lean further forward than the boots would allow me to. I can also feel the foot board of the boot flexing when I ski, not a very comforting thing,
Me, 6'4 106k, very athletic build, likes to ski fast.
Current boots; 28.0 Lange XT130's with custom foot beds fitted by Alain Baxter. Nothing wrong with the fitting, boots felt great in the shop and for the 1st few days of use. Performance fit with 10mm behind my heals.
Previous boots; all 28.5 mondo Atomic tracker 130s (felt they were too big and the live fit made them feel too soft), Salomon X-max 120s (far too soft), solly x-pro 120's (utter noodly shite).
Issues, after a few days no matter what I did I felt like I was rattling around the boots, I could feel my ankle moving and I could feel like I wanted to lean further forward than the boots would allow me to. I can also feel the foot board of the boot flexing when I ski, not a very comforting thing,
haggis_hunter
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I think its time I went full retard and went in the world or race as I'm just not getting on with off the shelf alpine boots. No matter what I've tired and I've had some of the best boot fitters in the UK do them for me I have ended up hating the boots.
Me, 6'4 106k, very athletic build, likes to ski fast.
Current boots; 28.0 Lange XT130's with custom foot beds fitted by Alain Baxter. Nothing wrong with the fitting, boots felt great in the shop and for the 1st few days of use. Performance fit with 10mm behind my heals.
Previous boots; all 28.5 mondo Atomic tracker 130s (felt they were too big and the live fit made them feel too soft), Salomon X-max 120s (far too soft), solly x-pro 120's (utter noodly).
Issues, after a few days no matter what I did I felt like I was rattling around the boots, I could feel my ankle moving and I could feel like I wanted to lean further forward than the boots would allow me to. I can also feel the foot board of the boot flexing when I ski, not a very comforting thing,
Me, 6'4 106k, very athletic build, likes to ski fast.
Current boots; 28.0 Lange XT130's with custom foot beds fitted by Alain Baxter. Nothing wrong with the fitting, boots felt great in the shop and for the 1st few days of use. Performance fit with 10mm behind my heals.
Previous boots; all 28.5 mondo Atomic tracker 130s (felt they were too big and the live fit made them feel too soft), Salomon X-max 120s (far too soft), solly x-pro 120's (utter noodly).
Issues, after a few days no matter what I did I felt like I was rattling around the boots, I could feel my ankle moving and I could feel like I wanted to lean further forward than the boots would allow me to. I can also feel the foot board of the boot flexing when I ski, not a very comforting thing,
haggis_hunter
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I think its time I went full retard and went in the world or race as I'm just not getting on with off the shelf alpine boots. No matter what I've tired and I've had some of the best boot fitters in the UK do them for me I have ended up hating the boots.
Me, 6'4 106k, very athletic build, likes to ski fast.
Current boots; 28.0 Lange XT130's with custom foot beds fitted by Alain Baxter. Nothing wrong with the fitting, boots felt great in the shop and for the 1st few days of use. Performance fit with 10mm behind my heals.
Previous boots; all 28.5 mondo Atomic tracker 130s (felt they were too big and the live fit made them feel too soft), Salomon X-max 120s (far too soft), solly x-pro 120's (utter noodly).
Issues, after a few days no matter what I did I felt like I was rattling around the boots, I could feel my ankle moving and I could feel like I wanted to lean further forward than the boots would allow me to. I can also feel the foot board of the boot flexing when I ski, not a very comforting thing,
Me, 6'4 106k, very athletic build, likes to ski fast.
Current boots; 28.0 Lange XT130's with custom foot beds fitted by Alain Baxter. Nothing wrong with the fitting, boots felt great in the shop and for the 1st few days of use. Performance fit with 10mm behind my heals.
Previous boots; all 28.5 mondo Atomic tracker 130s (felt they were too big and the live fit made them feel too soft), Salomon X-max 120s (far too soft), solly x-pro 120's (utter noodly).
Issues, after a few days no matter what I did I felt like I was rattling around the boots, I could feel my ankle moving and I could feel like I wanted to lean further forward than the boots would allow me to. I can also feel the foot board of the boot flexing when I ski, not a very comforting thing,
onenerdykid
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13783901:Lamafama said:
I usually try not to plug my own boots, but I think you will really like the new Redster Club Sport 130. It's not out until next fall, so it depends on what kind of rush you are in. But, based on what you have said (looking for a snugger fit, more stable flex, with more forward lean) this should be on your list of boots to consider.
96mm last in size 26.5 (all new fit and lower volume than the first gen Redster boots) and the plastic is THICK. This allows the boot to have an overly sturdy build, which a big guy like you will appreciate. And a new forward lean system that comes out of the box at 16° and can be changed to 18°, along with new cuff spoilers to further fine tune the fit and forward lean to your liking.
If you turn other boots to mush and want a snug fit without going to a World Cup last (92mm, which is also available), this should be something to check out.
haggis_hunter
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13783902:onenerdykid said:
They do sound nice, the other options I had in mind were the Resdter 150 lifted, Head Raptor B3RD with the narrower last or something similar. The new Hawx ultra look good for a touring option for me.
I measure a 28ish on the brannock device and would you say going down to a 27.5 for me would be the better option?
onenerdykid
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13783906:Lamafama said:
I would say if you stick to a 10mm shell fit (especially in something narrower/lower volume) that should be sufficient. Any smaller will just be unduly painful for you.
haggis_hunter
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13784012:onenerdykid said:
Thanks Matt, will book myself a trip to solutions for feet or Alain depending on who's available
onenerdykid
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13784193:Lamafama said:
No worries. Both guys are great, and I know with certainty that Colin at Solutions 4 Feet will have the new Redsters.
haggis_hunter
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13784432:onenerdykid said:
lucky having them both in the UK, Alains local but hes away a lot but he did a great job on my trackers even though I didn't get them through him. The Langes were from Alain and he did a great job fitting but I've found them too soft, not Alains fault at all as I asked not to be put in a plug boot this time. Colin is local to my other halfs folks and were down that way a lot.
Hello from Germany. I am not sure if there is something wrong with my new Hawx Ultra 130. Story is simple: I have a narrow heel and a wide forefoot (one of them pretty boney, approx. 114mm). My foot is 280mm long and I initially wanted to go for a 28.5 but since my boot-fitter was confident to fit me in the 17.5 shell as well, i pulled the trigger.
Since my feet are so wide the boot-fitter heat molded the shell around a wooden last plus material attachments in my foot shape. Problem now is that I am afraid that the shell is even too wide now. He prepared the last using an outline of my foot and this might have been a bit imprecise.
One thing I know is that the Hawx Ultra is highly customizable. The 27.5 can work for me but it looks so much bigger than the 28.5 shell know. It's a freak. But maybe the fitter went a little to far.
Is it possible to heat mold again and bring the shell a bit closer to the foot again? Please Onenerdykid, say "yes".
Since my feet are so wide the boot-fitter heat molded the shell around a wooden last plus material attachments in my foot shape. Problem now is that I am afraid that the shell is even too wide now. He prepared the last using an outline of my foot and this might have been a bit imprecise.
One thing I know is that the Hawx Ultra is highly customizable. The 27.5 can work for me but it looks so much bigger than the 28.5 shell know. It's a freak. But maybe the fitter went a little to far.
Is it possible to heat mold again and bring the shell a bit closer to the foot again? Please Onenerdykid, say "yes".
Hello from Germany. I am not sure if there is something wrong with my new Hawx Ultra 130. Story is simple: I have a narrow heel and a wide forefoot (one of them pretty boney, approx. 114mm). My foot is 280mm long and I initially wanted to go for a 28.5 but since my boot-fitter was confident to fit me in the 17.5 shell as well, i pulled the trigger.
Since my feet are so wide the boot-fitter heat molded the shell around a wooden last plus material attachments in my foot shape. Problem now is that I am afraid that the shell is even too wide now. He prepared the last using an outline of my foot and this might have been a bit imprecise.
One thing I know is that the Hawx Ultra is highly customizable. The 27.5 can work for me but it looks so much bigger than the 28.5 shell know. It's a freak. But maybe the fitter went a little to far.
Is it possible to heat mold again and bring the shell a bit closer to the foot again? Please Onenerdykid, say "yes".
Since my feet are so wide the boot-fitter heat molded the shell around a wooden last plus material attachments in my foot shape. Problem now is that I am afraid that the shell is even too wide now. He prepared the last using an outline of my foot and this might have been a bit imprecise.
One thing I know is that the Hawx Ultra is highly customizable. The 27.5 can work for me but it looks so much bigger than the 28.5 shell know. It's a freak. But maybe the fitter went a little to far.
Is it possible to heat mold again and bring the shell a bit closer to the foot again? Please Onenerdykid, say "yes".
onenerdykid
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13784615:xoxxai said:
Heating up a shell (Hawx Ultra or any boot that has been stretched) will cause the plastic to shrink back towards its original mold shape. Now, you will never get it to go back all the way, but some shrinkage back will for sure happen. I would definitely discuss this with your fitter, or another fitter if you don't feel confident with your current one. Normally, I would say it should be possible to shrink the boot back a bit. How much is hard to say.
13784776:onenerdykid said:
Ok, thanks for your input. Good to know that there is always maneuvering room. I skied the boot for the first time today and my impression was that the shell fits better than I worried yesterday. The shoe itself feels fantastic. Very agile, direct response and good progressive flex. I am already happy with my decision for the stretched Hawx Ultra in 27.5 over the Redster Pro 130 in 28.5 (my initial option). In the afternoon we did some more fine tuning for making the ankle area a tad wider and worked a bit on the instep. It is getting there.
Oh, one more thing: The complete liner tends to slide on the plastic of the shell platform (esp. fore foot) when I change my stance from upright position to flexed ski position. Any ideas?
Cade2
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Hi,
I got fitted for some full tilts at Evo a month back and have gone back around 5 times to try and make them fit better. I got shorter middle cables, booster straps, heal lifts, custom foot beds, and heat molded 3 times. Im still not feeling like my heal is very locked in and I want to hear what you guys think. Also the booster straps don't seam to be working to create a good feel around my calfs but idk if this is normal or not. Whenever I nose butter (try to) my heals raise a good cm off the footboard and there is a 1-2cm gap between my calf and the boot. Also I have been getting bruising on my shins after a day of skiing and its never happened before I got booster straps. Anyways any help is appreciated, I'm just sick of driving an hour to Evo all the time.
I got fitted for some full tilts at Evo a month back and have gone back around 5 times to try and make them fit better. I got shorter middle cables, booster straps, heal lifts, custom foot beds, and heat molded 3 times. Im still not feeling like my heal is very locked in and I want to hear what you guys think. Also the booster straps don't seam to be working to create a good feel around my calfs but idk if this is normal or not. Whenever I nose butter (try to) my heals raise a good cm off the footboard and there is a 1-2cm gap between my calf and the boot. Also I have been getting bruising on my shins after a day of skiing and its never happened before I got booster straps. Anyways any help is appreciated, I'm just sick of driving an hour to Evo all the time.
rballs_
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Hello! I am 5'11", 145lbs and 18 y/o. I like to ski very very fast and aggressively everywhere. I was recently in 26.5 dalbello krypton 2 cores, but they hurt my ankle bones and the top of my foot badly. So I went and got fitted at my local boot fitted. He put me in a 26.5 Tecnica Mach1 130 LV. I love the flex of the boot and how it holds my foot, however, I find that my toes get cold very easily and sometimes I even get numbness on the outside edges of my feet (the numbness is not from the cold, just poor circulation I guess?). I've heard footbeds can help this, so I'm just looking for some advice on how to fix my cold and numb feet! Thanks!
Revelinyourstoke
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13784971:rballs_ said:
Shell fit.. is the area around your lateral malleolus making contact with the shell?
Revelinyourstoke
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13786252:rballs_ said:
Take the liner out of the boot. Is there any space between that part of your foot and the shell?
Revelinyourstoke
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13786257:rballs_ said:
Where you standing up or sitting down?
onenerdykid
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13784971:rballs_ said:
Footbeds will properly support your foot, holding it up rather than allowing it to collapse. This in turn requires you to buckle the boot less tightly in order to get a proper fit. Doing all of this promotes the best blood flow possible. Good footbeds are super crucial to having a good fit and staying warm.
Once your foot is properly supported, then you can have the shell modified if need be. If you need more room on the outside of your foot, it can be easily done once your foot is held in the right spot by a footbed. Also, chances are good you might not even need it done since the footbed will hold your foot up, making it slightly shorter and narrower.
I have about 3 days on some new Hawx ultra 130 boots. She'll fit is perfect, I have had them on for hours at a time at home. Buckle from top down. Have custom foot beds. Every time I have used them to ski my outer foot hurts very bad, not a sharp pain but more of an ache. I have tried skiing with the 2 lower buckles open to help circulation, and that doesn't help. After my feet finally get used to the pain it's fine, but damm that shit hurts.
onenerdykid
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13787321:powchaser said:
Sounds like they are a touch narrow for you, on the lateral side of your feet. I would have your boot-fitter double check how much space is between the lateral side of your foot and the shell. You might need a slight stretch or Memory Fit to fix it, but it sounds like you have too little space there. Either way, it's an easy fix.
I have had my Solomon X-Pro 100's for two seasons with at least 70 hard days of skiing on them. In the last month or so I have been having pain on the outer bone of my right ankle where the boot pivots. Not just uncomfortable, but absolutely off the charts crippling pain. They have been perfect boots up until now. The pain comes and goes. Sometimes I go two weeks without them hurting, and then they flare up out of nowhere.
I'm definitely in the market for new boots with a stiffer flex next season, but just wondering what I can do to avoid having another day of skiing ruined by my boot this year.
I'm definitely in the market for new boots with a stiffer flex next season, but just wondering what I can do to avoid having another day of skiing ruined by my boot this year.
onenerdykid
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13787508:Sconnie said:
Are you using good, supportive footbeds? Not having these will allow your inner ankle to smash into the medial portion of the shell. At first this can just prematurely pack out the liner and you will lose the buffer between your ankle and the plastic shell. Once that happens (especially after 70 hard days), you will press up against the plastic rather than soft foam and it will lead to the pain you are feeling. So make sure you get footbeds, they will keep your ankle upright and off the shell.
If you do have footbeds, then your liner is probably toast. The "problem" with most 100 flex boots is that they come with a liner that is mainly made of cushy foam, rather than a firmer, denser foam found in 120 or 130 level boots. Cushier foam will feel good in the store, but pack out faster. So if you are looking at stiffer boots next year, this will help you out a lot.
To solve the problem now, your boot-fitter can insert a thin piece of foam between your liner and the shell in the hopes of getting back that buffer between you and the shell.
send4jesus
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My shins hurt
qazwsxedc34
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FULL TILT classics w/ new pro intuition liners, 8-flex tongues and a standard footbed; PAIN in lower leg in the tendon that goes down the outside of the back of my leg, basically 2-3 inches above and slightly to the back of the outside of my leg but still on the side. Twisting of the boot while it's in the ski can also cause pain. And when I take them off, this area is enlarged and swollen; feels bruised. It seems like it may be, most likely the new intuition liner from FT. Where it wraps around, the liner seems to be causing this pain. Tightening booster straps worsens the pain because it tightens the liners, hugging the liners around my legs. Longer, heavier skis also worsen the pain.
By the end of the day the spot ABOVE MY ankle is tender to the touch and it slightly hurts when I walk around. If I wait to ski for a couple days, the pain doesn't come back until later in the ski day. Back to back days and the pain will remain. Moguls, hard crud or anywhere where I'm being bounced around, significantly worsens the pain. If its powder or pristine groomers, the pain is still present but to a noticeably less degree and not that intrusive.
MY OUTSIDE part of my feet, two inches back from my pinkie toes and slightly underneath my foot, ache as well. This can be excruciating but goes away and barely hurts after 4-5 runs. Not sure why the pain subsides in this area, still annoying. When I take out the foot beds this pain goes away but my boots feel floppy and there's no control or arch support.
ANYONE, else get this pain above ankles, on the outside of legs with FT liners.
By the end of the day the spot ABOVE MY ankle is tender to the touch and it slightly hurts when I walk around. If I wait to ski for a couple days, the pain doesn't come back until later in the ski day. Back to back days and the pain will remain. Moguls, hard crud or anywhere where I'm being bounced around, significantly worsens the pain. If its powder or pristine groomers, the pain is still present but to a noticeably less degree and not that intrusive.
MY OUTSIDE part of my feet, two inches back from my pinkie toes and slightly underneath my foot, ache as well. This can be excruciating but goes away and barely hurts after 4-5 runs. Not sure why the pain subsides in this area, still annoying. When I take out the foot beds this pain goes away but my boots feel floppy and there's no control or arch support.
ANYONE, else get this pain above ankles, on the outside of legs with FT liners.
.MASSHOLE.
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Not a boot expert but did you get the liners molded yet...?
onenerdykid
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13791730:fuckmekevin said:
How is your ankle range of motion? Keeping your bare foot flat on the floor, flex forward like skiing, keeping your heel down. Can your knee reach the same plane as your toes without your heel lifting? Or does your heel come up? If you can't get your knee to your toes without your heel lifting, you most likely have some limitation in your Achilles which is contributing to this problem. Report back if this is the case.
Have you heat molded the liners yet? This should definitely get done. Can alleviate a lot of the pain you are describing.
A telling sign that the shell might be too narrow on the side of your foot as well. A footbed will often roll a foot over to the outside slightly widening it. So without a footbed, the pain goes away but now the fit is sloppy. With a footbed, the fit is snug but you have pain on the outside of your foot. Probably need to have the shell slightly stretched in this area if heat molding liners doesn't solve it.
onenerdykid
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13793159:powchaser said:
Without seeing your feet, I am guessing I have the same foot type as you. What happens to feet like ours is that the collapse after years and years and years of wearing skate shoes and flip flops. Then all of a sudden, you jack them up with a custom insole for skiing for a few hours and your feet hate you. This is normal.
What it means is this: you should be wearing supportive footbeds in your everyday shoes. Not only will this be mega beneficial for your feet, ankles, knees and hips but it will also mean little-to-no transition time when you jump into your ski boots that have custom footbeds.
I feel like the custom foot beds might not be flat..? It almost feels like I have to put more weight on the inside foot/big toe to hold a good edge. When on steep groomers going straight my feet feel like there is to much pressure on the inside foot very unsupported on outside foot.
onenerdykid
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13793164:powchaser said:
Which brand are they? Where do you get them made?
The thing about truly custom-molded footbeds is that they are only as good as the person who is making them. In the wrong hands, it can be painful and lead to shitty skiing. In the right hands, it will be awesome.
Ideally, they should create a fully balanced interface between your foot and the boot. If it feels like you don't have this, then it might be time to have a 2nd opinion on the footbed that was made for you.