THE NEW LOOSE CHANGE VIDEO- You need to watch! for your own sake

popular mechanics magazine did a study/experiment on the steel they used in the WTCs and they proved that the steel weakened by 50% or so with the heat from jet fuel and that it's ridiculous for people to say that it was necessary for the steel to 'melt' in order for it to fall. (anybody notice how the pictures of the fallen buildings had broken pieces of steel and not a big melted glob of steel?)

I'll see if I can find a link of anybody wants it.
 
I like seeing both sides. I'm not yet convinced of a conspiracy here, but I do think that something is fishy. That something fishy may be a conspiracy, as they said, it may be just incredibly bad luck in coincidences, or it may be that something happened that our gov't can't explain and they felt they needed to cover it up so they didn't look even more vulnerable.

 
for example, whatever hit the pentagon is obviously argued both ways, but what if a missile (LRBM or IRBM) or something hit it and was completely unrelated to the planes. I'M NOT SAYING THIS HAPPENED, I'M JUST THROWING OUT A SCENARIO. This might cause our gov't to think "wow what the fuck happened to the pentagon? How did this happen too? maybe if we say it was also a plane, it could help connect everything that happened, instead of having a mystery that would show more vulnerability."

Again, this is NOT something that can be proven, It's just a scenario.
 
the government in all reality is shady, we all should know that by now. And of course theres tons and tons of information they dont tell us for various reasons. But why on Gods earth would they blow up there own buildings not knowing how the world is going to react? For all they know the u.s. could of went into a mad panic and we would all be doomed. I was thinking this when i was high and it makes sense. Theres so much the government wont tell us because frankly, the general public probably cant handle it. For godsakes nobody understands why we're in war, most people dont agree with the government, why should they tell us anything? We could only imagine the stuff they dont tell us, but until then some dumbass people are going to make they're own theories and get people to believe them and follow them. Its like the ku klux klan trying to get us all the hate everybody, these people get followers then before you know it, thousands of teens believe everything they see on the internet.
 
are you going off of what I said or arguing? I'm not quite sure I follow, unless you just felt like going off on a point I made or something.
 
Hey mattman, i heard that we never went to the moon either, there is a hell of a lot more "evidence" that we didnt then this and everyone knows that that conspiricy is a load of shit. Stop beating this conspiricy to the ground man, there is no reason our government would, or could do this.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=rvPaNkenY8g

moon landing hoax!!
 
the simple idea of the government destroying the very epicenter of "world trade" is rediculous. controlled demolition my ass. it hurts america way more than it helps.

just consider that before you watch the video.
 
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he did it!!!
 
if you would look into it a tad you would see that maybe, just maybe bush and rove and all of them have interests they put ahead of this country. try pnac,aipac,abermoff,niger forgeries and zionist in the american government. type any of that into google and pick the site that looks the most credible.
 
Yes, actually it does look like controlled demolition, and if you actually watched the videos and looked at it with an open mind you would realize that it does.  Resorting to calling people who believe in a very plausible theory dumbasses just shows that you have no solid arguement to back up your beleifs.  I'm not trying to convince you to change your mind-obviously you are too ignorant and hard-headed to take a step back and look at this issue with an objective perspective.  But don't hate on people for believing in it. They are just as legit as you are.  And don't try and pull the "My girlfriend's dad was there" bullshit.  Thats interesting and all and I respect him infinately for that, but it doesn't make your argument any better.  You're just as bad as Sean Hannity attacking people that come on his show that believe in the conspiracy--he calls them "Nutjobs" and shit because that's the only way to discredit them.  
 
Did you really just bump a thread that is over 6 months old to say that?

This thread =
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^ ^ because I cant quote your dumb ass

first of all for bumping this

- - - - - - karma, to bad that it doesnt go into the negatives

and secondly, what the fuck are you talking about we have nothing to back it up, let me give you a list

-osama bin laden took credit for the attacks, and I am relativley sure that he wouldnt be shitting in a coffee can in a cave right now with a $50,000,000 bounty on his head, while all of the time taking responsibility for it

-Next, there were 2 planes, they crashed into the centers, they blew up, and the destruction of the building spread from the exact floors that the planes hit, what are the odds that they would hit withing a range of 3 or four floors in the precise locaion of the alleged destruction devices

we have almost all poloticians on our side saying it wasnt an inside job, even the biggest bush haters on the planet.

-if it was a missle that hit the pentagon, what happened to the plane and passengers that were said to hit it

-this attack has caused nothing but harm and deficit to our country, and although bush may have used 9-11 to go into iraq, it doesnt mean that he set up 9-11

-and finally, if the bush administration had been able to keep this secret from the whole nation, the CIA, congress, and all other branches of government, how did this peice of shit college dropout find out about this, and how come he wasnt killed within minutes of starting his investigation? I will tell you why, because this "documentary" portrayed and treated exactly how it should be, a nutjob movie made by a dropout looser who succeeded in his attention whore quest to get dumbasses like you to believe him

Now here are your points

-it looked like a planned destruction

-bush is a bad guy

-somebody head a crash in the basementbefore they fell (hmm, maybe elevators???)

-and it has been a while since the last whackjob conspiracy theory was wideley believed and this one seems juicy, so it must be true

Now go sit in the corner, your ass must hurt after what I just did to you, or you could just ignore all logic and continue to believe this dropout scum of the earth with a neat video editing program
 
mattman you are a moron. just cuz you've watched some youtube videos doesn't make you a demolitions expert. didn't waste my time watching the video you make the govt sound like this big mysterious evil empire too... which is kinda tight... anyone who believes this is an idiot i'm sure this kid could convince you to do anything if you believe this like stick a fork in a toaster or that snowboarding is better than skiing... mattman more like MORONMAN haha
 
Durbski,

"Next, there were 2 planes, they crashed into the centers, they blew up, and the destruction of the building spread from the exact floors that the planes hit, what are the odds that they would hit withing a range of 3 or four floors in the precise locaion of the alleged destruction devices."

what are the odds?  well very, very high, if the building were planted with bombs they could have put them anywhere they damn well pleased.  the towers came down at nearly free fall speed, so according to the "pancake theory," I find it hard to believe that the buildings could fall at free fall speed.  what can move mass out of the way? explosives.

"we have almost all poloticians on our side saying it wasnt an inside job, even the biggest bush haters on the planet."

Your ignorance really shines here, well all the "top politicians" say this isn't true so therefore it MUST be true.

there is a good quote I would like to refer to,

"They must find it difficult, those who have taken authority as truth, rather than the truth as authority."

-Gerald Massey

just to point out the obvious, a prime example of this is you.

"if it was a missle that hit the pentagon, what happened to the plane and passengers that were said to hit it"

-here we go again, "but they said a plane hit it! where'd it go? it must be true if they SAID it was.  I ask you the same question what happened to the plane and passengers? the 9-11 commission report said the plane had "vaporized." What type of fire can vaporize steel and titanium?  seems pretty bogus to me.  why haven't they released the video of the plane hitting the pentagon?  if it were true why would they not realease it?

"this attack has caused nothing but harm and deficit to our country, and although bush may have used 9-11 to go into iraq, it doesnt mean that he set up 9-11"

you are right, this attack has done no good for our "Country" or our people, but whether you would like to believe it or not there's greedy, rich assholes that are making a lot of money and have become more powerful from the events that followed 9-11.

"and finally, if the bush administration had been able to keep this secret from the whole nation, the CIA, congress, and all other branches of government, how did this peice of shit college dropout find out about this, and how come he wasnt killed within minutes of starting his investigation?"

Simply said, if that happened it would prove this theory right, if they tryed to cover it up.

The problem I have with you, and by you I mean a lot of you is that you fail to even see this as a possibility.  No! the government wouldn't do that to us! NO! they couldn't do something THAT BAD.  Impossible!  Wake up people, as Evil as a conspiracy at a level such as this one may sound, it is a VERY REAL POSSIBILITY.  I'm not demanding that you believe this or not, but please go as far to accept it's possible.  I'm very sorry, but the men and women running the show for our country are not the "Good Guys" we all wish they were.

 
You know whats awesome about controlled demolitions? being one of the construction workers that spends months knocking out almsot every support column except the msot vital ones prior to the demolition. also the equisite care and planning that goes into planting the explosives. Mind telling me how they planted explosives while people were WORKING in it? and I guess not having any support removed really should make it difficult.

You might argue that a plane hitting it would compromize the structure.... Terrorists must be damn solid pilots to hit the building precisely where these 'explosives' are.

you guys are fuckign rediculous. Crawl out of your corners.

FAIL
 
How many random people have access to the support columns in a tower like that? None. Give a government contractor a contract for a few weeks of "maintanance work" and enough money to where he never has to work again, and you could get it rigged up pretty well. Then you have a small group of well compensated individuals doing the dirty work.

Hell, you could tell them that the building is going to be demolished as a surprise announcement in the next few months so that the contractor can build and even greater structure in its place, for a mulitimillion dollar, likely several billion dollar contract. You don't have to tell them you're going to pull the building while there are people inside and right after a dude flies a plane into it. Then when it blows up, tell the contractor it was his fault that the explosives went off after the plane impact because he didn't take precautions for an early ignition due to fires. Then tell him that a large percentage of his contract has been revoked due to his incompetence, and that if he dissapears and stays quiet he won't face prosecution. He and his crew take the remaining money and disappear to some exotic location half way around the world.

COOL SCENARIO.

Cheney and friends orcastrate the whole deal thinking that the ends justify the means. These are consequentialists we're dealing with. Kill a few thousand Americans, invade terrorism supporting countries across the globe, remove non democratic regimes, prevent a possible nuclear attack on America and SAVE MILLIONS OF LIVES (And make themselves a few $$ in the process of course, they're due that for their service to us, right?). Subscribing to this theory, they believe that this tradegy is justified by the benefits later. Sadly they are highly misguided in their beliefs.

I mean, Jesus you can SEE explosions several dozen floors below the collapse. Thats not just shattered glass from a window blowing out, you can see pulverized concrete dust EXPODING out the window, EXACTLY like you see in a controlled demolition taking out the lower supports ahead of the collapse.

The 40+ interior steel support beams were weakened enough by a fire less than half the melting point of steel for less than 2 hours to all break into little convienient pieces for removal?

The whole building is a steel mesh. No fire has ever made a steel building collapse in the history of the world before this. It happened 3 times on 911? (Tower 7 fell too, and wasn't even hit, lol) WTF unfortunately the physics for this scenario do not exist in this Universe, only as a retarded idea that exists in our heads which our leaders would like us to believe.

You know the official scenario doesn't make sense but you don't want to believe that someone you voted for in the last election could think this was a good idea. Unfortunately they do, and they fucking got away with it. Sorry Iraq.
 
Holy shit, at about the 1h 3m mark the video talks about how GW Bush's brother and cousin were heading a security company that installed a "new security system" in the tower.

The weekend before the attacks the system was shut down and workers were running around with wiring upgrading internet cables. Demolition cord, anyone? Jesus, so much shaddy shit pointing to foul play.
 
as much as i hate the bush administration i dont think they would ever kill however many people it did so they could start a war.
 
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